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Old 10-14-2010, 09:40 PM
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I just took delivery of a 2011 SAV with the 20 inch Y wheels/staggered configuration. Does anyone have a comment about the Continental Extreme Contact DWS VS the Michelin Latitude Tour HP.
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What are you looking to accomplish? Are you going to get rid of your summer rubber for all season rubber?
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Old 10-15-2010, 01:53 AM
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I considered doing the same, but my local tyre dealer showed me the prices for doing that,
and for an extra 200 euros I ended up ordering 18 inch wheels with Continental winter tyres (RFTs)

gives me the oppurtunity to change back to Summers over any given weekend, and to have the summer rims re-dressed (I have some minor nicks)

I stayed RFTs although I now have a spare in the trunk, to allow me to decide where, and when, to swap out a flat (safety zone)
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Personally I would keep the 214's and get a set of winter rims/rubber. Now you will have an excellent combination and not have to worry about it.
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Old 10-15-2010, 02:25 PM
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Personally I would keep the 214's and get a set of winter rims/rubber. Now you will have an excellent combination and not have to worry about it.
+1. 20" wide all-season tires won't help you very much.
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+1. 20" wide all-season tires won't help you very much.

Based upon personal experience, or a guess?

Has anyone actually been running the 20 all seasons in the snow and have some real feedback?
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:16 AM
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Has anyone actually been running the 20 all seasons in the snow and have some real feedback?
SEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND. The E70 was introduced in 2006 as a 2007 model, and this topic has been discussed many, many, many times over the past 6 years. If you take the time to search, you will get the REAL WORLD experience of dozens of 'Festers.

If you just ask a question that has been answered many times before, you won't.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:53 AM
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SEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND. The E70 was introduced in 2006 as a 2007 model, and this topic has been discussed many, many, many times over the past 6 years. If you take the time to search, you will get the REAL WORLD experience of dozens of 'Festers.

If you just ask a question that has been answered many times before, you won't.
Seriously? Where do you think all these threads came out of? Hum......the search button. Yet, most seem to end the same, no one actually trying them.

If you can actually point to an all season conversation where people talk about using them on the 20 inch setup in snow please, help and point me, I don't see them. All I seem to find is the constant 'don't do it, get snow tires on smaller rims' opinion.
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Based upon personal experience, or a guess?

Has anyone actually been running the 20 all seasons in the snow and have some real feedback?
Everyone's definition of "passable" or "acceptable" handling is different.

The X3 non-sport models came with Pirelli Scorpion All-seasons that actually were pretty good for most drivers. And if you don't drive out when there's more than 30cm of snow, it may never matter. All-seasons will probably get you to work if you drive slowly and life doesn't throw a situation where an emergency stop is needed.

But for me, control is critical. I want to be able to maximise the potential of DSC and ABS to stop in the shortest distance possible, as stable as possible. I want to be able to bring the vehicle back under control quickly should things start to go wrong. I reduce speed to appropriate levels in inclement weather, but I don't want to be crawling. And most of all, I want to be able to not worry about the car's dynamics; I love it when I can have fun in the snow, drift it around corners with ease, and then bring it all back together easily, no mess. Because the point of a vehicle is not just to get from A to B.

I've driven both the X3 and X5 (18" stock M+S) in the snow where I tried to have some fun. It's difficult. Slides and skid happen suddenly, braking distances are longer, and it is so much harder to bring the vehicle back into line- careening towards a mailbox at a 60 angle in spite of full lock countersteer and feathering the throttle is not amusing even if I can bring it back- just more work, less control.

It sounds like hooliganism but there's situations where stuff happens. Once on the way down from Snowshoe WV in the X3, driving conditions were poor and I was taking it slow, about 40-50km/h tops. Around a blind curve, came a slowplow truck that was slightly in my line. When I lifted off midcorner, the rear end came around and the X3 went off the road......towards a cliff/trees and other unpleasant things to hit. Remembering the track/driver training, I looked back towards the road, ignoring the stone drainage ditch and cliff, hit the throttle and countersteered, bringing the X3 uneventfully back onto the road (okay, my mother screamed and I'm sure I raised a few eyebrows from the plow driver and other driver behind). Given the level of control I had with the winter tires and zero margin for error, I never had to panic, or think twice. Did the tires make a difference? Absolutely.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:14 PM
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When I lifted off midcorner, the rear end came around and the X3 went off the road......towards a cliff/trees and other unpleasant things to hit. Remembering the track/driver training, I looked back towards the road, ignoring the stone drainage ditch and cliff, hit the throttle and countersteered, bringing the X3 uneventfully back onto the road (okay, my mother screamed and I'm sure I raised a few eyebrows from the plow driver and other driver behind). Given the level of control I had with the winter tires and zero margin for error, I never had to panic, or think twice. Did the tires make a difference? Absolutely.
What a good story. I'm glad you remebered to hit the gas instead of the brakes pedal. I can't say the same for most of the drivers on the road.

From the time I spent on the track, I would give her more gas to throttle steer instead of lifting midcorner
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:41 PM
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Based upon personal experience, or a guess?

Has anyone actually been running the 20 all seasons in the snow and have some real feedback?
The Conti's are a fantastic tire on dry and wet pavement. They are, like any other all season tire, completely useless in any real snow.

I run 20'' DWS's for my summer set up and got caught last winter dragging my ass getting the winters put back on. One day of driving in real snow was more than enough to remind me how terrible all season tires are in true snow conditions versus proper winters.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:17 PM
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Old 11-10-2012, 02:39 PM
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The Conti's are a fantastic tire on dry and wet pavement. They are, like any other all season tire, completely useless in any real snow.

I run 20'' DWS's for my summer set up and got caught last winter dragging my ass getting the winters put back on. One day of driving in real snow was more than enough to remind me how terrible all season tires are in true snow conditions versus proper winters.
I think your location in Canada probably puts you in a different snow/temp category then most of us, and rightfully so!

However, if anyone else is interested, I've been searching other forums as well to find real feedback on the 20 inch staggered setup (or similar widths on other makes/models). it's tough to find. But what i have found is that contrary to many of the comments and postings from folks not actually running the setup, the folks who have been truely running the DWS or latitudes on the 20 inch setup are reporting that they are completely capable in the snow. There are a couple reporting driving through blizzard conditions without issue on the DWS's. I also found one other individual running toyo proxes, he also indicated he was good in the snow, but there are far more people using the DWS's. If I recall, most people were living in the north east.

Take it for what it's worth, its all people talking on the internet.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:35 PM
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The Conti's are a fantastic tire on dry and wet pavement. They are, like any other all season tire, completely useless in any real snow.

I run 20'' DWS's for my summer set up and got caught last winter dragging my ass getting the winters put back on. One day of driving in real snow was more than enough to remind me how terrible all season tires are in true snow conditions versus proper winters.
What bunk you say, man, and why so needlessly angry? That can't be good for you, and its not so much fun to read, either. I have run DSW's on the 18 inch wheel for years from Banff to Stowe. With some common sense and BMW AWD they work fine in snow. Common sense, that was.
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:54 PM
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Based upon personal experience, or a guess?

Has anyone actually been running the 20 all seasons in the snow and have some real feedback?
I have the 20" Michelin all seasons. While they aren't winter tires, they work very well in the snow and mediocre on ice -- but this is what I expected. Just spent a week in the mountains with packed snow and the tires worked well. Haven't tried deep snow yet, but I suspect they will work fine for general street driving.
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I love to see a thread where so many people that know "the" right answer eventhough they all have different answers.

So here's my right answer for me, myself, and I. I buy Winter tires, all-season tires, and/or Summer tires based upon the car and my intended use. For my 650xi where performance driving will matter the most, I have two sets of wheels/tires. Both sets are performance oriented set-ups - BBS forged wheels with Michelin PSS and Michelin Pilot Alpin PA-3. If I had selected "better" Winter tires, I would have to endure longer wet and dry stopping distances and less lateral grip thoughout he entire Winter. I might slide a bit more in the snow with the Pilots, but I only drive in the snow 10 of the 90 days of the Winter, so I went with the overall max performance over the course of the entire Winter, not just the days it snows.

Now for my X5M, I have plenty of experience with all-season tires with SUVs and trucks. Some were good all-seasons in the Winter and some were bad all-seasons in the Winter. A good all-season like the DWS will provide adequate performance in the snow and excellent dry and wet performance the other 80 days, so thats what I am putting on my X5M. Also, the ultra-high performance all-season DWS will out perform the stock Bridgestone Summer tire in the warm weather too.

So, will the staggered setup hurt the snow traction? A bit, but as a guy who understands how his vehicles handle while in loss of traction conditions (I practice) I'm certian climbing the 13-16% slope that is my long winding driveway won't be a problem. So remember spinning tires aren't necessarily a problem, they might just a different driving mode. When snow covered, my RWD 335d usually requires a light and continuous spin to get up my drivewway even with non-staggered Winter tires.

For those of you who say all-seasons don't excel at anything, that's completely wrong, they excel in the transistional season with better braking and traction than either Summer or Winter tires.
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Personally I would keep the 214's and get a set of winter rims/rubber. Now you will have an excellent combination and not have to worry about it.
+2. If you own the car for any length of time, you are going to replace the rubber anyway. No more expensive to buy a set of winter tires mounted on 18" winter wheels than to replace the summer RFT's. (If you don't believe me, check out the price of those 20" tires on the Tire Rack- especially if your X5 came with the Dunlops).
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VERY different tires. One is a UHP and the other a Touring. Either way, the DWS is rated higher in the snow. I may the switch from UHP Summer to UHP all season and it helped. On all wheel drive vehicles I have never seen the need for dedicated snows in the climate I am in. Rear wheel is a different story. I am in a possition that is the weather is so bad that my all seasons won't cut it, I don't need to go out in it. If I wasn't, I would go the winter tire route. They are vastly superior in the snow and ice. All season = performance in all seasons is not what it could be. They are a compromise.
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What bunk you say, man, and why so needlessly angry? That can't be good for you, and its not so much fun to read, either. I have run DSW's on the 18 inch wheel for years from Banff to Stowe. With some common sense and BMW AWD they work fine in snow. Common sense, that was.
I can only assume that you are comparing the 255's square vs the 275/315 setup. I agree with the gentleman you were bashing. You don't even realize the difference between a 46.5 inch contact patch vs a 40 inch contact patch. That 6.5 makes a big difference on the float of the tire

I can say this. Do what you think is best. Who cares what we think because you get 1) All seasons are great, winters are a waste of money... ORP 2) winters are a must and you would be dumb not to do it. I run winters on every car/SUV religiously. There was nothing better than a RWD 550 tromping through the snow better than most AWD cars simply because I had much better rubber. One more thing, just wait till you standing on the brake peddle begging your 40k-85k SUV to stop and not hit the object your sliding for.
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I was referring only to my own experience with 255's, and decrying "the gentleman's" (sic) incredible rude over-statements/ rant about how "completely useless" all-seasons are in general. On our BMW with 18's I find all-seasons the best choice in the Upper Midwest for a spectrum of temperatures which is inching to the warmer end. We are in the mountains every winter skiing somewhere. Last March I towed the family race car through high mountain passes in a covered trailer during blizzard conditions to Durango, Colorado for a combined ski trip and visit to my chassis prep guy in Cortez. The X5 was loaded with 4 skiers and backcountry/ alpine gear and pulling 4500 lbs deadweight including racecar and covered trailer. The trip back through Utah saw 55-60 degree temps. All-seasons worked fine on the X5 with 255's in those extreme conditions and were the best and perhaps only choice. I do put dedicated snows on my wife's Mini Cooper, but that is a different set of issues and parameters. My prior SUV was a diesel Touareg with 275's all around. All-seasons were no problem with that, which I attribute to an excellent traction control system (like the X5's) and "common sense" driving. My experience driving with winter tires is that I drive faster, which is to say closer to the traction edge. I suspect that is common, and tends to diminish or eliminate the safety advantage winter tires do have in heavy snow and ice and, generally, temps below freezing.

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