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Old 02-20-2011, 09:04 AM
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2011 vs 2012

I have a 2011 on order, my first BMW (750Li) and now I am a little concerned about a couple of things:

1. How much of a hit am I going to take (car value) from ordering a 2011 so close to the 2012 coming out?
2. What all is going to change for the 2012? Some concerns I have about the 2011 are lack of LEDs and a smaller trunk for a car this size.
3. Should I go renegotiate my price for the 2011?
4. When are the 2012's coming out?

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Old 02-20-2011, 09:19 AM
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I have a 2011 on order, my first BMW (750Li) and now I am a little concerned about a couple of things:

1. How much of a hit am I going to take (car value) from ordering a 2011 so close to the 2012 coming out?
2. What all is going to change for the 2012? Some concerns I have about the 2011 are lack of LEDs and a smaller trunk for a car this size.
3. Should I go renegotiate my price for the 2011?
4. When are the 2012's coming out?

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1. You will take a full years hit when the 2012's come out.
2. Initial reports talk about LED's and a larger trunk among other things.
3. I would.
4. I don't know but I think initial reports say toward the end of the summer.

On a personal note I would never order a 2011 at this point unless there was a serious price consideration or I had to have a car now.
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Old 02-20-2011, 09:28 AM
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I have a 2011 on order, my first BMW (750Li) and now I am a little concerned about a couple of things:

1. How much of a hit am I going to take (car value) from ordering a 2011 so close to the 2012 coming out?
2. What all is going to change for the 2012? Some concerns I have about the 2011 are lack of LEDs and a smaller trunk for a car this size.
3. Should I go renegotiate my price for the 2011?
4. When are the 2012's coming out?

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From what I have heard, 2012 production starts next month - 2011 production is finished.

There are currently some big incentives on 2011s.
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Old 02-20-2011, 10:28 AM
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I don't understand how BMW got into the habit of releasing new model years in the third month of the prior year; i.e.: 2012's in March 2011, 2011's in March 2010, etc. It just turned 2011 for g-d sake. So the question remains whether the LCI / facelift will be for the NAS 2012 model year or for the NAS 2013 model year... The later of which would be what - March 2012 - a year and a month from now? Also note it seems BMW schedules mid model year changes in the month of September.

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Old 02-20-2011, 10:36 AM
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From what I have heard, 2012 production starts next month - 2011 production is finished.

There are currently some big incentives on 2011s.
If production is March 2011, when is delivery? Can you order a 2012 now?
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:45 AM
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If production is March 2011, when is delivery? Can you order a 2012 now?
Not sure if you can actually order a 2012 now, but I haven't tried. I know you can't order a 2011 anymore. I believe 2012 first delivery is April/May.

From what I have seen, I don't think there are big changes coming for the 2012 model. LCI is probably for 2013 model year whenever that is... LOL.
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I also saw the bulletins that said nothing major is changing for the 2012 with the exception of the sport steering wheel becoming standard. I don't know where you guys get all this news of these big changes happening for 2012. They aren't any. It won't be until 2013 so you won't see the car on lots probably for another 13-16 months.

As for concerns for the lack of LED's.....both tails and headlights have ALL Led's with the exception of the angel eyes.

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I also saw the bulletins that said nothing major is changing for the 2012 with the exception of the sport steering wheel becoming standard. I don't know where you guys get all this news of these big changes happening for 2012. They aren't any. It won't be until 2013 so you won't see the car on lots probably for another 13-16 months.

As for concerns for the lack of LED's.....both tails and headlights have ALL Led's with the exception of the angel eyes.
The LED's don't concern me too much. What does concern me a little is the trunk space. I heard the 2012 is bigger, but I don't know what "bigger" equates too??

The other is price. I'm a little pissed at my sales person (whom I will talk to tomorrow) that didn't mention Feb was the last build date for the 2011s. I could have waited 5 weeks and had a car that was "NEW" not a year old before I even get to drive it.

Havent heard if the stereo is better or not. The one that is in it seems ok to me.
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Old 02-20-2011, 04:25 PM
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Its funny though....I've read on this forum that changes are coming to the 2011 starting with March production (ref the new 6NR option). How can that be if Feb is the last month for 2011 production 7s? Or is the new 6NR option, new production etc...speaking about the 2012 model?

Maybe this is why my sales guy didn't answer my questions......
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Old 02-20-2011, 05:48 PM
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I just checked the stats.....

AUDI A8L....13 CUBIC FEET TRUNK SPACE (Yes....13!)
S550.....16.5
750LI.....17.7

The A8 has a smaller trunk size than even the A6. Look at the reviews, that is a knock on that car. I think the trunk size is just fine.......granted, I had a M6 before so anything would be bigger than that.

There's a guy on bimmerpost.com that works for BMW in Europe and he said the 7 series facelift would debut at the 2012 Beijing Autoshow (which is last week or March or April I think). So....I can't see BMW taking orders for the new model until after the debut and then with a few months for production.....I doubt we see a facelift before late spring or summer next year as a 2013 model.

He said....and again....this is rumor....no one knows for sure his credentials.....that they would have LED headlights.....redesigned front bumper and angled grilles like the new 5 series.....re-profiled rear spoiler (which won't add to trunk).....and 8 speed tranny meaning possibly more HP/Torque. I am sure they will put new taillights in, too.

My advice....get the M Sport package. BMW normally doesn't do much facelifting to M models even when they facelift the normal models in that line. The M6 only had updated tails and headlights.....nothing was done to the body (actually, maybe new mirrors). Look at E92 M3...I don't think bumpers were re-done at all......just headlights and taillights.

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Old 02-20-2011, 05:54 PM
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I was also told September production on 2012 model's......so go figure.

GLindsey....what link are you using on the BMW website to build a 2012? I just went to their build you own link on their website and they are all 2011 still for all types of 7 series. I don't see any option to build a 2012.

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Old 02-20-2011, 06:00 PM
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I was also told September production on 2012 model's......so go figure.

GLindsey....what link are you using on the BMW website to build a 2012? I just went to their build you own link on their website and they are all 2011 still for all types of 7 series. I don't see any option to build a 2012.
I can online right now and custom build a 2012 750Li. Wouldn't make much sense if I had to wait until Sept for them to build it. Nov/Dec delivery?? I think production will start in March.
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Again, what link are you using. 2012's are NOT the link coming up on the BMW website.


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Again, what link are you using. 2012's are NOT the link coming up on the BMW website.


http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...2KLEarGmWbJIk=
http://design.bmwusa.com/Standard/Co...Cldul+OYjJdnI=
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I am logging into BMW (My BMW). I then go to 7 Series, build you own. It states you cannot build anymore 2011s. Click "View all models" and you get a list of the new 7 Series:
740i
740Li
750i
750i XDrive
750Li
750Li X Drive

you can build your own here and see the new options with pricing.
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Funny, I tried the website this morning and it did not show the 2012 models so it must have come up later today.

So, I am assuming all the articles online with the changes for 2012 was all not true?
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Everyone, take a look at this link: http://design.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/BYO/

In addition to the 2012 7 Series models, note that the new 6 Series Convertible and 1 Series M Coupe are also available to build, but that these are not available on the main bmwusa.com build your own site... yet, at least.

http://design.bmwusa.com/standard/co...EJBvsphbrDETk=

http://design.bmwusa.com/standard/co...XScf4s9j41qQ==

"BMW Apps" now available; Neat!

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Ahhh...the new 6 series.

With the exception of the iDrive screen which I don't like...yet another 7 on the inside.

Soon our cars will look like very other BMW.
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DBS....good link.

Look at the interior in the 2012 750......that is the sport steering wheel, correct? That makes sense with the dealer bulletins saying the sport steering wheel would be standard starting in March 2011 production. In other words.....that's the car pictured right there, in and out. They aren't doing any facelift for 2012. It's coming in 2013MY......to be shown at the Beijing Autoshow in late April 2012.

The question is....how long after April 2012 will the 2013 be available?

Where did the new 6 series convertible debut at autoshow wise? And how long ago was that? That might be give us a pretty good idea of how many months after it debuts that it will be on dealer lots.

My theory is you can't order a car that you don't know what it will look like.....so if the car isn't shown until April 2012.....the earliest orders can even be made might be May 2012? Then by the time the car is produced and shipped....it likely is 3rd quarter or 4th quarter 2012 before it's on lots. Just my guess.

I would have been MAJORLY pissed off if they facelifted the 2012 after I just bought a 2011 2 months ago.

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I am not seeing the convenience package (soft close doors, auto close/open trunk, keyless, memory seats etc), will this be standard on 2012 7s? Overall, the car is less expensive with similar options.
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I am not seeing the convenience package (soft close doors, auto close/open trunk, keyless, memory seats etc), will this be standard on 2012 7s? Overall, the car is less expensive with similar options.
On the 750Li, if I compare 2011 to 2012, the convenience package is standard on both cars.

The 2012 base price is $1800 more than the 2011 base price.

Looks like premium sound is now standard on the 2012 which was an $1800 option before.

The big difference is the M Sport package price. I had read that the Active Roll Stabilization was going to be removed from the M Sport package for 2012, but the website doesn't show that. I suspect that may be a typo on the website and you have to add that back in.
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On the 750Li, if I compare 2011 to 2012, the convenience package is standard on both cars.

The 2012 base price is $1800 more than the 2011 base price.

Looks like premium sound is now standard on the 2012 which was an $1800 option before.

The big difference is the M Sport package price. I had read that the Active Roll Stabilization was going to be removed from the M Sport package for 2012, but the website doesn't show that. I suspect that may be a typo on the website and you have to add that back in.
It was removed from the M Sport "Package" but it is still available as an option.

MSport Package is now $3500 (vs $6500 before). Active Roll Stabalization can be added for $2000.

I'm not for sure what else might be missing from the M Sport Package, but it appears to be $1000 cheaper than before with all the same options.
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