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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 06-27-2012, 05:56 PM
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Just test drove a couple of 328i's back to back...

I went to the dealer and test drove the new 328i sedan with turbo four engine, then compared it with the 328i coupe with NA six. I gotta say, the four is nice with the new interior, cool shifter, push button change in driving mode (sport, comfort, economy)... but the engine power and turbo was not my cup of tea! I felt like it was just an overworked four banger, and I was bored with it by the end of my test drive...

the NA six 328i coupe was much much better! I wish it had the new interior tho...

so I am in love with the NA six, and the new interior. The salesman said I'd have to pick one... can't have it all

I think I'll wait till next year to test drive a 2014 328i coupe 2.0TT and see how I like it.
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:41 PM
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There's always the 335i... It has the new interior and the 6
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Old 06-27-2012, 07:30 PM
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There's always the 335i... It has the new interior and the 6
Not much difference in price depending on the Options. You will love the 335i Motor Just Thinking
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:26 AM
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3.0NA vs 2.0TT

I'm just not a fan of turbo engines. give me the NA 3.0L6 and I'll be a happy camper! eventhough the mpg is less than stellar...

I wonder what kind of MPG will a 3.0NA get when paired with the 8 speed transmission...

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Old 06-28-2012, 11:34 AM
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[QUOTE=ningster;6923077]I'm just not a fan of turbo engines. give me the NA 3.0L6 and I'll be a happy camper! eventhough the mpg is less than stellar...

I wonder what kind of MPG will a 3.0NA get when paired with the 8 speed transmission...[/QUOTE]

We will never know because we will never get that engine in the U.S. again. Turbocharging is here to stay and all of us might as well get used to it.
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:10 PM
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We will never know because we will never get that engine in the U.S. again. Turbocharging is here to stay and all of us might as well get used to it.[/QUOTE]

I wonder how long these turbo4 engines will last. I've seen countless bmw NA-6 engines go close to 200k miles. These turbo4s will probably only get past 120k before retiring...

I'll probably just lease a 328 insteading of buying...
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:23 PM
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I wonder how long these turbo4 engines will last. I've seen countless bmw NA-6 engines go close to 200k miles. These turbo4s will probably only get past 120k before retiring...

I'll probably just lease a 328 insteading of buying...
I think you're probably mistaken. Small turbo engines are incredibly common in Europe (everyone has gone to them, even Ford) and they are still quite reliable.

No question that the normally aspirated engine sounds better and is smoother, but it gets worse fuel economy and actually quite a bit less powerful than the new motor.
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:41 PM
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I wonder how long these turbo4 engines will last. I've seen countless bmw NA-6 engines go close to 200k miles. These turbo4s will probably only get past 120k before retiring.
Considering that the 1.8L and 2.0L Audi (and VW) turbo engines the N20 is competing against have gone well over 120K, I doubt there is anything to worry about.
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:53 PM
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I wonder how long these turbo4 engines will last. I've seen countless bmw NA-6 engines go close to 200k miles. These turbo4s will probably only get past 120k before retiring..
How do people make up such numbers? I have an old turbo four, a puny 1.8T with 170Hp/166lb.ft mated to a 5-speed with such short gearing that it turns around 3300-3400rpm while cruising at 80mph. I am closing on 240K. I don't know if there are countless others, but a number of people have reported 200+K, with a couple having gone past 300K. Typically the rest of the car will start falling apart before the engine does.

These newer 2.0T engines have a decade of R&D over mine.

No matter what people say though, you do have to take extra precautions with turbos, especially if the car is driven hard. Cooling down a little before engine shutoff is a must. And you can't stretch the oil change interval to ridiculous lengths.

But stuff does happens. I found out that a co-worker's 535i had the engine replaced because oil was getting past a ring to make it into turbo, thereby eventually ruining it. At least that's what the dealer told him. They replaced his engine under warranty. So that's one major problem that did not involve fuel pump failure. The reliability track record of the turbo-6 doesn't seem great. Hopefully the 4 will do better.

Will the particular engine in the 328i last a long time? Who knows. Only time will tell. But in principle, if designed well and maintained well, it should.
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:20 PM
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I'm just not a fan of turbo engines. give me the NA 3.0L6 and I'll be a happy camper! eventhough the mpg is less than stellar...

I wonder what kind of MPG will a 3.0NA get when paired with the 8 speed transmission...[/QUOTE]

We will never know because we will never get that engine in the U.S. again. Turbocharging is here to stay and all of us might as well get used to it.
When the new 5 series came out with the 8 spd AT, the N/A I6 was still used in the 528i, and the highway mpg rating was 32 as I recall.
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:53 PM
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Did you have the car in sport mode? My experience has been the opposite, the N20 kills the N52 for driving dynamics.
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:20 AM
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The new F10 528i initially was equipped with the old N52 I6 and new 8spd AT, its highway mpg was rated above 30 as I recall.
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