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Old 09-12-2012, 08:47 AM
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iPhone 5 media dock - ETA

Any guesses when the iPhone 5 dock will be out?

Last time round, I think the iPhone 4 was released in July 2010, and the iPhone 4 dock came out in Feb 2011. That was a ridiculous wait.

Will a dock extension cable work in the short term?
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Old 09-12-2012, 09:20 AM
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Will a dock extension cable work in the short term?
Tough to answer since no one knows what the interface will be.. LOL Rumor of a new 9pin connector named Lightning out there.
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Tough to answer since no one knows what the interface will be.. LOL Rumor of a new 9pin connector named Lightning out there.
It is no longer a rumor. The pictures on Apple's website show a smaller connection.
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Old 09-12-2012, 09:39 AM
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I think it will be even longer, since it is a totally different connector. I would say at least a year. Whatever. I'm getting the iphone 5 ASAP.
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Old 09-12-2012, 09:42 AM
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The good news is that Apple will probably sell an adapter between the two - so there is hope.
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It may take a year, but if there will be an adapter, re-wiring some pins shouldn't be that hard to retain similar functions. I'll hold off for the iPhone 5S or the following version when they work the bugs out.
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:54 AM
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Why be concerned about the dock? If you plug into the USB port you still have all of the functions that you would have with the dock. Right?
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Its pretty clear. You can buy the dock adapter cable to use the iPhone 5 with iPhone 4 dock in the BMW.
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Its pretty clear. You can buy the dock adapter cable to use the iPhone 5 with iPhone 4 dock in the BMW.
I believe they are talking about the snap in dock. if you use a cable, you wont need an adapter at all. just use the USB cable provided with the iphone 5 and connect it to the USB jack in the car.
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I believe they are talking about the snap in dock. if you use a cable, you wont need an adapter at all. just use the USB cable provided with the iphone 5 and connect it to the USB jack in the car.
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Old 09-12-2012, 02:03 PM
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I believe they are talking about the snap in dock. if you use a cable, you wont need an adapter at all. just use the USB cable provided with the iphone 5 and connect it to the USB jack in the car.
Yeah I started the thread.

The point being made is that the snap in dock may not be available for 6-9 months.

In the meantime, those who want snap in functionality can use Apples new Dock Adapter cable to connect the old snap-in adapter to the new iPhone 5. The iPhone 5 won't sit in the cradle, but the cable will allow it to charge and have full snap-in like integration with the car.
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Yeah I started the thread.

The point being made is that the snap in dock may not be available for 6-9 months.

In the meantime, those who want snap in functionality can use Apples new Dock Adapter cable to connect the old snap-in adapter to the new iPhone 5. The iPhone 5 won't sit in the cradle, but the cable will allow it to charge and have full snap-in like integration with the car.
By looking at the size of the Lightning adapter and the current iPhone OEM snap-in adapter shape I doubt that you will be able to even plug the iPhone 5/adapter into the snap in at all.

The insertion angle may exceed the limit of the OEM 30-pin connector at the snap in, IMO.
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You don't have to use the dock to have full integration. The USB port gives the full integration (this according to my BMW guy who has access to one of the software people that helped develop the interface). Why spend over $200 for the dock? The USB charges and integrates the phone just the same.....
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You don't have to use the dock to have full integration. The USB port gives the full integration (this according to my BMW guy who has access to one of the software people that helped develop the interface). Why spend over $200 for the dock? The USB charges and integrates the phone just the same.....
The one extra thing that the cradle connector gives (over the standard USB connection) is an inductive antenna connection via the car's shark-fin antenna - hence a better signal.

Here is the Apple cable connector that will work with existing dock and give complete functionality (except however snapping in the cradle).
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MD...n-adapter-02-m
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The one extra thing that the cradle connector gives (over the standard USB connection) is an inductive antenna connection via the car's shark-fin antenna - hence a better signal.
Exactly!

Yes you can get most/all of the functionality via a cable and MAYBE via an adapter (adapters do not always give you 100% of the functionality) but the loss of the gain antenna... that is huge.

I do love the statement from apple - "its been good to us" why change it? Their was no need whatsover except to be able to sell new cables and a slew of adapters.

Damn you apple... now when can i place my order... LOL
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The one extra thing that the cradle connector gives (over the standard USB connection) is an inductive antenna connection via the car's shark-fin antenna - hence a better signal.
Considering how poor radio reception is in BMW's in general, I'm not sure that's a good thing or not.
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To summarise what I know and have found out:

1. The old 30 pin connector does not have an RF connection (as pointed out by Technic). The snap in adapter provides inductive coupling from the iPhone antenna to the cars antenna. There is no direct connection.
2. The new 9 pin connector is a digital interface. The adapter has a chip that is used to verify the connection as legitimate. It may also do some protocol conversion, not sure about that.
3. The adapter does not support the so called iPod interface protocol (which was supported over the USB interface) so there will be no control of the play back system and cover displays etc. from iDrive. Presumably this is a protocol change so it is possible that BMW can update software to use the new interface.
4. The analogue component and composite video interface in the old 30 pin connector is no longer supported, so the video feed in the current BMW iDrive interface will no longer work. Presumably the new 9 pin connection supports a digital interface (probably some variant of HDMI) which will require more than a software change to iDrive. If a new adapter is designed it will need to take the digital video feed and convert it to component video which may not be to the media industries liking who outlawed component video because it is easy to use for copying purposes.

Overall it does not look very promising for an adapter that can take the iPhone 5 and make it work in the same way as the older iPhones with the 30 pin connector.
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To summarise what I know and have found out:

1. The old 30 pin connector does not have an RF connection (as pointed out by Technic). The snap in adapter provides inductive coupling from the iPhone antenna to the cars antenna. There is no direct connection.
2. The new 9 pin connector is a digital interface. The adapter has a chip that is used to verify the connection as legitimate. It may also do some protocol conversion, not sure about that.
3. The adapter does not support the so called iPod interface protocol (which was supported over the USB interface) so there will be no control of the play back system and cover displays etc. from iDrive. Presumably this is a protocol change so it is possible that BMW can update software to use the new interface.
4. The analogue component and composite video interface in the old 30 pin connector is no longer supported, so the video feed in the current BMW iDrive interface will no longer work. Presumably the new 9 pin connection supports a digital interface (probably some variant of HDMI) which will require more than a software change to iDrive. If a new adapter is designed it will need to take the digital video feed and convert it to component video which may not be to the media industries liking who outlawed component video because it is easy to use for copying purposes.

Overall it does not look very promising for an adapter that can take the iPhone 5 and make it work in the same way as the older iPhones with the 30 pin connector.
Thanks for the very helpful post. TUAW is reporting preliminary Apple-derived information that an adapter to enable video out may be forthcoming (but probably to either VGA or HDMI). Interesting how this will play out.
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To summarise what I know and have found out:

3. The adapter does not support the so called iPod interface protocol (which was supported over the USB interface) so there will be no control of the play back system and cover displays etc. from iDrive. Presumably this is a protocol change so it is possible that BMW can update software to use the new interface.
Can you provide a link to the source for this information?
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Considering how poor radio reception is in BMW's in general, I'm not sure that's a good thing or not.
Completely different situation. Apples and oranges as the saying goes...
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Coud be relevant

Could be relevant. From today's Apple presentation:

and the link: http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/12/33...shuffle-update
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Could be relevant. From today's Apple presentation:

and the link: http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/12/33...shuffle-update
The car looks familiar.
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Anyone know the gain provided by the roof-mounted telephone antenna? I can't seem to find any specs.
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Anyone know the gain provided by the roof-mounted telephone antenna? I can't seem to find any specs.
1+ bar on Verizon. It works quite well.
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1+ bar on Verizon. It works quite well.
Hmmm, that is good to know but was looking for a more precise dB gain.
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