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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 09-26-2012, 09:02 AM
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Why debate the e60 550i or 535i anylonger??? Definitive ruling...

This shouldn't be a big question yet I see a post like this or something close to this every day it seems on here and other BMW sites.

Ask yourself 3 things.

1. Are you going to modd the engine a bunch, i.e. will you not be happy with 300 (535) or 360 (550) hp/torque??
2. If yes, do you have a few g's to spend on mods or like $12-15k+?
3. Do you care about naturally aspirated V-8 vs. turbo'd 6 and the feel and sound or not?

Answer those questions and buy the car.

If you're worried about gas mileage, its a wash anyway and frankly a strange thing to worry about buying big 4,000lb BMWs. If you drive the 535i hard enough to keep up with the 550i, you're going to get terrible gas mileage in both (albeit slightly less horrible in the 535i). If you're driving it nimbly to get good gas mileage then you're going to have no fun or power in either and the only difference on either end of the driving spectrum will be a few mpg (on hwy even my big V-8 gets in the mid+ 20's, sometimes even 29-30 consistently if I'm nimble on the throttle)... my 2 cents

If you have $15k to throw at a supercharger, get the 550i, the power plant CAN handle a supercharger well with little to no additional mods needed and then you'll blow the doors off of basically anything else on the road ESPECIALLY an e60 M5 as you'll have gobs of torque from the start and his screaming V-10 needs to rev super high to do anything... and you'll still probably have cheaper cost of ownership than the m5 owner. You'll also blow the doors off of any 535i without huge mods costing more than yours.

If you don't have the $12-15k and instead you have a few hundred bucks or a few thousand bucks for mods, get the 535i, re-map the ecu and have fun but know that whatever anyone says, if you buy a used twin turbo and re-map the ecu, increase the boost and drive it hard, the engine WILL not last as long and things WILL end up going wrong over time. More so and faster than without upping the psi.

The 550i sport also looks better IMO than the 535i m-sport from a body package and wheel/tire configuration standpoint but thats TOTALLY subjective and up to your eye. The 19" spider wheels on the 550i sport are sick, i've thought for a long time to get aftermarket wheels for my 550i sport and keep stopping myself because they are already so aggressive yet refined.

Anyway, If you want, you can do what I did for a little extra fun on the 550i which is a Dinan cold-air and a stage II chip (costs a few bucks under $2k and you can do them yourself). To each their own whether they like Dinan or not or if it's overpriced or whatever. There are a million other brands out there that do both and may cost a few bucks less, or more (maybe ) but at the end of the day they're all similar, I just happen to like Dinan. I'm right around 383 or 384hp and 380 torque and most of the difference from stock is in the last 2500 rpms (upper end) but it is definitely noticeable and got me right around 5.0 secs 0-60 with the steptronic auto. Pretty sick.

Last few bits of advice, make sure to get Logic7 otherwise you'll be more disappointed every time you sit in your e60 than if you had a 1.3l 3 cylinder geo metro motor in there. Also dont waste your money on the active suspension as some good sway bars will do the same and never go wrong and cost thousands to fix, it's neat don't get me wrong, but IMO not worth it.

Finally, a totally personal thing here, the sound of the 4.8l V-8 is unparalleled and a turbo'd 6 will never sound the same... Then again, some people like hearing a blow off valve and turbo whine... to each their own.

When reading this people should pretty quickly side one way or the other and then look... You actually made a decision! Wow! Not trying to be mean but I just can't see a million more 535i vs 550i thread titles on here, i'll go mad.

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Hey Phlfly. There is a difference between the m-sport and the sport packages. The LCI 550i only has the sport package as an option. Includes m5-like body kit, 19" wheels and a sport (more firm) suspension, active suspension was an add-on. With the 2009 and newer m-sport package, it came with the active roll stabilization included in the package and a few other small things like ///M logo'd steering wheel and door sills.

My 2008 550i has the sport package but not the active suspension, just a slightly lower and more firm than stock suspension. It is still noticeably better than the stock 2008 550i suspension.

Also, I've always liked your thoughts on topics, glad to see you here. Even if you're a Flyers fan

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Hey Phlfly. There is a difference between the m-sport and the sport packages. The LCI 550i only has the sport package as an option. Includes m5-like body kit, 19" wheels and a sport (more firm) suspension, active suspension was an add-on. With the 2009 and newer m-sport package, it came with the active roll stabilization included in the package and a few other small things like ///M logo'd steering wheel and door sills.

My 2008 550i has the sport package but not the active suspension, just a slightly lower and more firm than stock suspension. It is still noticeably better than the stock 2008 550i suspension.

Also, I've always liked your thoughts on topics, glad to see you here. Even if you're a Flyers fan
Do I know you? 5series.net? Yes I'm Flyers fan, how do you know? I guess you are caps fan and unfortunately no hockey this year. I hope they are come up with something before Jan.
I have 2007 550i and I thought active stabilizer (active suspension) it's not an option, I thought they all came like this.
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Do I know you? 5series.net? Yes I'm Flyers fan, how do you know? I guess you are caps fan and unfortunately no hockey this year. I hope they are come up with something before Jan.
I have 2007 550i and I thought active stabilizer (active suspension) it's not an option, I thought they all came like this.
I've seen you around on here and 5series.net...

The name gave you away, Phlfly aka, Philadelphia Flyers and yes, I'm a Caps fan. Too bad indeed about this stupid lockout... again. Can US professional sports leagues get it together please, the NFL's a laughingstock and theres no NHL again.

Regarding the ARS all I can say is this. Through reading about it many times on here and other boards, and knowing that my 2008 550i ZSP does not have it, I can ascertain that is did not come std on the 2008 ZSP package which was the first year that the ZSP changed going along with the LCI changes on the 550i. I do however have the sport suspension which rides lower and is tighter. ARS is not on my window sticker and I don't notice the roll of the car in corners being actively conversely modified which I know I would. Does that help?
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Best overall car I've ever owned! Sickly fast bone stock and a pleasure to drive.
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Best overall car I've ever owned! Sickly fast bone stock and a pleasure to drive.
X2, although your original post is a bit biased towards the 550,.LOL. No complaints from me though! Id love to have the tunability of the N54/55, but in something like a 1 series...THAT would be a wild ride! For the e60, I think its cool/exclusive to have a stonking, nearly 5 liter V8 in a car smaller than a Honda Accord. Wait till I get that RPI exhaust!
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X2, although your original post is a bit biased towards the 550,.LOL. No complaints from me though! Id love to have the tunability of the N54/55, but in something like a 1 series...THAT would be a wild ride! For the e60, I think its cool/exclusive to have a stonking, nearly 5 liter V8 in a car smaller than a Honda Accord. Wait till I get that RPI exhaust!
Just because you read it and decided the 550i is better doesn't mean I skewed it

But at least I caveated when I said I liked the 550i better in some regard, that it was only my opinion

I totally agree that the 135i would be a super fun car to own and tune, frankly may be my next one, but for big sedans, from the late 2000's, a big german V-8 is unparalleled
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When I bought my 545, the top 6-cylinder variant was the 530, so the decision was easier. But I feel like if I were to have purchased an E60 with the N54/N55, I'd be going around wondering whether I would have been better off in an E90 with the same engine. At least with the V8, you have a sense of exclusivity.

Then again, I live in Denver, and the stock 535 is almost certainly faster than the 545 at this altitude and maybe about the same as the 550. So...
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Nothing i own is stock so modability is planned before purchased.. i cant understand why a lot of people dont look at what mods are available before buying.
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Nothing i own is stock so modability is planned before purchased.. i cant understand why a lot of people dont look at what mods are available before buying.
For me it was semi plan, search for my posts back in 2007...

I saw some crude tune in 2006 December by Terry on his 335i using a few transistors (after golf tee in the vacuum line) and gain 40HP on dyno; so it clearly shows this N54 engine is a sleeping beast. That's when I knew I had to wait for 535i.

BTW, there is nothing new here folks, I own B5 Audi A4 in 1997 the 2.8 V6 rated 200HP while the 4-cyl 1.8T rated 150HP stock-for-stock, guess which one had 6-9 month waiting list from Ingersoldt while the other sat on dealer lot idle. SC/turbo cars always attract enthusiast/tuners since the 70's/80's Toyota Supra, nothing has changed that much.

Check these cars out, most have stock turbos w/o nitro, and those numbers are WHP not at the crank :
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=416797
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Tuned 535i > 550i > 535i
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This shouldn't be a big question yet I see a post like this or something close to this every day it seems on here and other BMW sites.

Ask yourself 3 things.

1. Are you going to modd the engine a bunch, i.e. will you not be happy with 300 (535) or 360 (550) hp/torque??
2. If yes, do you have a few g's to spend on mods or like $12-15k+?
3. Do you care about naturally aspirated V-8 vs. turbo'd 6 and the feel and sound or not?

Answer those questions and buy the car.

If you're worried about gas mileage, its a wash anyway and frankly a strange thing to worry about buying big 4,000lb BMWs. If you drive the 535i hard enough to keep up with the 550i, you're going to get terrible gas mileage in both (albeit slightly less horrible in the 535i). If you're driving it nimbly to get good gas mileage then you're going to have no fun or power in either and the only difference on either end of the driving spectrum will be a few mpg (on hwy even my big V-8 gets in the mid+ 20's, sometimes even 29-30 consistently if I'm nimble on the throttle)... my 2 cents

If you have $15k to throw at a supercharger, get the 550i, the power plant CAN handle a supercharger well with little to no additional mods needed and then you'll blow the doors off of basically anything else on the road ESPECIALLY an e60 M5 as you'll have gobs of torque from the start and his screaming V-10 needs to rev super high to do anything... and you'll still probably have cheaper cost of ownership than the m5 owner. You'll also blow the doors off of any 535i without huge mods costing more than yours.

If you don't have the $12-15k and instead you have a few hundred bucks or a few thousand bucks for mods, get the 535i, re-map the ecu and have fun but know that whatever anyone says, if you buy a used twin turbo and re-map the ecu, increase the boost and drive it hard, the engine WILL not last as long and things WILL end up going wrong over time. More so and faster than without upping the psi.

The 550i sport also looks better IMO than the 535i m-sport from a body package and wheel/tire configuration standpoint but thats TOTALLY subjective and up to your eye. The 19" spider wheels on the 550i sport are sick, i've thought for a long time to get aftermarket wheels for my 550i sport and keep stopping myself because they are already so aggressive yet refined.

Anyway, If you want, you can do what I did for a little extra fun on the 550i which is a Dinan cold-air and a stage II chip (costs a few bucks under $2k and you can do them yourself). To each their own whether they like Dinan or not or if it's overpriced or whatever. There are a million other brands out there that do both and may cost a few bucks less, or more (maybe ) but at the end of the day they're all similar, I just happen to like Dinan. I'm right around 383 or 384hp and 380 torque and most of the difference from stock is in the last 2500 rpms (upper end) but it is definitely noticeable and got me right around 5.0 secs 0-60 with the steptronic auto. Pretty sick.

Last few bits of advice, make sure to get Logic7 otherwise you'll be more disappointed every time you sit in your e60 than if you had a 1.3l 3 cylinder geo metro motor in there. Also dont waste your money on the active suspension as some good sway bars will do the same and never go wrong and cost thousands to fix, it's neat don't get me wrong, but IMO not worth it.

Finally, a totally personal thing here, the sound of the 4.8l V-8 is unparalleled and a turbo'd 6 will never sound the same... Then again, some people like hearing a blow off valve and turbo whine... to each their own.

When reading this people should pretty quickly side one way or the other and then look... You actually made a decision! Wow! Not trying to be mean but I just can't see a million more 535i vs 550i thread titles on here, i'll go mad.

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Question, have you actually driven a tuned 535 before writing this comparison?
Adding a super charger to a 550 is a significantly more radical and expensive mod than reconfiguring the engine mapping on a 535. An ESS blower with FMIC costs $10,000 in parts alone, whereas installing JB+, JB4 or Cobb runs from $200-800 and is DIY install.
I think the reason so few owners add the S/C is that you could pick up a used M5 instead and come out ahead.
I have not seen evidence of any tuned 535s suffering from added wear and tear. In fact BMW offers the exact same engine with more aggressive tuning, similar to a JB+, on their 335iS and the 1M. Also the 740i. The engine and turbos are all exactly the same, the engine mapping is just more aggressive, maxes out near 13 psi instead of 9 psi.
I do agree with the theory that more power adds more stress, but there is no evidence that it is causing any attributable failures. Same goes for the auto transmission which is built to handle far greater stresses than these engines put out.
I do advocate employing a more aggressive preventive maintenance schedule when you tune these cars. More frequent oil changes, filters, spark plugs, even coils. But BMW's recommendations are so stretched anyway that you are left scratching your head. 100k intervals for spark plugs, 15,000 for oil changes??? I cut that in half, and would even if I were not tuned.
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Question, have you actually driven a tuned 535 before writing this comparison?
Adding a super charger to a 550 is a significantly more radical and expensive mod than reconfiguring the engine mapping on a 535. An ESS blower with FMIC costs $10,000 in parts alone, whereas installing JB+, JB4 or Cobb runs from $200-800 and is DIY install.
I think the reason so few owners add the S/C is that you could pick up a used M5 instead and come out ahead.
I have not seen evidence of any tuned 535s suffering from added wear and tear. In fact BMW offers the exact same engine with more aggressive tuning, similar to a JB+, on their 335iS and the 1M. Also the 740i. The engine and turbos are all exactly the same, the engine mapping is just more aggressive, maxes out near 13 psi instead of 9 psi.
I do agree with the theory that more power adds more stress, but there is no evidence that it is causing any attributable failures. Same goes for the auto transmission which is built to handle far greater stresses than these engines put out.
I do advocate employing a more aggressive preventive maintenance schedule when you tune these cars. More frequent oil changes, filters, spark plugs, even coils. But BMW's recommendations are so stretched anyway that you are left scratching your head. 100k intervals for spark plugs, 15,000 for oil changes??? I cut that in half, and would even if I were not tuned.
Yes, I've driven numerous tuned and not tuned N54 & N55s and I specifically said: "If you don't have the $12-15k and instead you have a few hundred bucks or a few thousand bucks for mods, get the 535i"

And certainly, the re-mapped N54's & 55's can have huge hp & torque increases making them significantly faster than the 4.8L V-8. No doubt. The Skyline GTR is also a twin turbo V-6 and is also faster to 60 than a 458 Italia with its naturally aspirated V-8... I'd still take the 458 at twice the price. Just sayin...

So I already addressed that adding a supercharger was $12-15k and engine mapping mods on 535i started at a few hundred dollars and obviously have no comparison to one another in terms of labor or level of radical change.

I'm simply saying, as I thought I stated pretty clearly in my original post that if you aren't looking to do many mods or none at all, the 550i's V-8 is likely the clear winner, the torque, the sound, the butter smoothness, etc. but, that if you want to have a modded car and don't want to spend a ton (supercharger) that the 535i is the way to go. Still a great car, just different.
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FYI, please see the link and you get the answer

http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-c...ng-2014-bmw-m3

BMW has itself understood that V8 or V10 is not going to do anything with Power, instead they are going to bring all their super fast cars with OUR OUR engine to get power more mpg and what more the reliability which they have been testing with our 535/335i already.. So who wins now..
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FYI, please see the link and you get the answer

http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-c...ng-2014-bmw-m3

BMW has itself understood that V8 or V10 is not going to do anything with Power, instead they are going to bring all their super fast cars with OUR OUR engine to get power more mpg and what more the reliability which they have been testing with our 535/335i already.. So who wins now..
It's not like win or loss, but EPA standards are high, so it's easy to low EPA with smaller engine then bigger. Of course to compensate power loss you got to boost, which is ok if system bullet proof, but knowing German quality, it's hard to see a reliable system for long run, but in the case is it only 100,000 miles car? Time will show.
As we are all knowing Audi/VW turbo last around 100,000 miles max.
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It's not like win or loss, but EPA standards are high, so it's easy to low EPA with smaller engine then bigger. Of course to compensate power loss you got to boost, which is ok if system bullet proof, but knowing German quality, it's hard to see a reliable system for long run, but in the case is it only 100,000 miles car? Time will show.
As we are all knowing Audi/VW turbo last around 100,000 miles max.

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hmmm

So all non-turbo BMW's is dependable and reliable and can cross 100K without any issues..

That was nice to know....
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It's not like win or loss, but EPA standards are high, so it's easy to low EPA with smaller engine then bigger. Of course to compensate power loss you got to boost, which is ok if system bullet proof, but knowing German quality, it's hard to see a reliable system for long run, but in the case is it only 100,000 miles car? Time will show.
As we are all knowing Audi/VW turbo last around 100,000 miles max.
Are you saying you won't buy turbo/SC BMW cars cause the turbos won't last 100kmile?

With fuel price all BMWs will be turbo before the end of the decade, I am taking bets right now if you think otherwise. BTW, all M-engines are now turbos already (1-M, M5, X5M, M6).

PS: maybe those NA V8 will be collector items, cool cause I have one in 4.4i M62 form.

One more bet (at least between me and my wife), my turbos in my 535i will outlast the electric water-pump.

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With fuel price all BMWs will be turbo before the end of the decade
Sooner. Setting aside the V8 in the outgoing M3 and the I6 in the outgoing 328 coupe and convertible, what BMW engines aren't turbocharged right now?
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FYI, please see the link and you get the answer

http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-c...ng-2014-bmw-m3

BMW has itself understood that V8 or V10 is not going to do anything with Power, instead they are going to bring all their super fast cars with OUR OUR engine to get power more mpg and what more the reliability which they have been testing with our 535/335i already.. So who wins now..
Shahul, I think you're missing my point. The whole point of my post wasn't to tell people which car was better or which power-plant is better. There is never going to be a final answer to that because everyone's tastes are different. I was simply trying to boil down to a few short and relatively quick questions one can ask themselves when debating "do I want a 550i or a 535i?" The way that you answer those questions should likely pretty easily determine whether you should get the one or the other... Thats all.

I for example love my V-8 and I don't really mod cars any longer because my wife drives my car now and I found that in MY experience in the PAST that mods I made to my cars usually ended up making the car super fun, but more trouble, more things went wrong and more money ended up getting spent, usually for pretty marginal returns in HP and Torque. This is MY experience and it was in the past.

I do not have a N54 or N55 motor but as I said in another response, I have driven many of them, modded and not. They're great motors! They can be fast as hell and are real smooth and torquey across the band but especially at low rpm's! They can blow the doors off a stock 550i with upping the psi. Thats awesome. For my money and the way I drive and who I share my car with and my lack of wanting to do too many mods and for what its worth, my desire to keep a car somewhat close to what it was sent off the line to be, I like my 550i with a handful of little things done to it.

I don't disagree with what you're saying or with what the link says or that many BMWs are now force-fed, or that all M power plants are now force-fed or that more and more each year across all brands are, etc. etc. etc. I'm simply saying, and I'm not alone here, that I like BMW's NA V-8 over the twin turbo'd straight 6 in a close to stock car. Read the forums of M5 owners, I'll be the first to say the new M5 is SICK!!! But there are a lot of dudes out there with the past 2 generations' saying its a travesty to lower the displacement and put twin turbos on an M5. Read the M3 forums, people are sick that the new M3 will have turbos too and no longer be NA. Maybe 20 years from now we'll all eat our words but everyone is allowed their own opinion and thats really the whole point of the post.

People, make up your own minds and don't hate on people that have a differing view.
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Shahul, I think you're missing my point. The whole point of my post wasn't to tell people which car was better or which power-plant is better. There is never going to be a final answer to that because everyone's tastes are different. I was simply trying to boil down to a few short and relatively quick questions one can ask themselves when debating "do I want a 550i or a 535i?" The way that you answer those questions should likely pretty easily determine whether you should get the one or the other... Thats all.

I for example love my V-8 and I don't really mod cars any longer because my wife drives my car now and I found that in MY experience in the PAST that mods I made to my cars usually ended up making the car super fun, but more trouble, more things went wrong and more money ended up getting spent, usually for pretty marginal returns in HP and Torque. This is MY experience and it was in the past.

I do not have a N54 or N55 motor but as I said in another response, I have driven many of them, modded and not. They're great motors! They can be fast as hell and are real smooth and torquey across the band but especially at low rpm's! They can blow the doors off a stock 550i with upping the psi. Thats awesome. For my money and the way I drive and who I share my car with and my lack of wanting to do too many mods and for what its worth, my desire to keep a car somewhat close to what it was sent off the line to be, I like my 550i with a handful of little things done to it.

I don't disagree with what you're saying or with what the link says or that many BMWs are now force-fed, or that all M power plants are now force-fed or that more and more each year across all brands are, etc. etc. etc. I'm simply saying, and I'm not alone here, that I like BMW's NA V-8 over the twin turbo'd straight 6 in a close to stock car. Read the forums of M5 owners, I'll be the first to say the new M5 is SICK!!! But there are a lot of dudes out there with the past 2 generations' saying its a travesty to lower the displacement and put twin turbos on an M5. Read the M3 forums, people are sick that the new M3 will have turbos too and no longer be NA. Maybe 20 years from now we'll all eat our words but everyone is allowed their own opinion and thats really the whole point of the post.

People, make up your own minds and don't hate on people that have a differing view.

I Do agree with you, it's one's preference.

Let me give you an example, people bring new releases on products based on the market/demand/value/customer's satisfaction... Every product when released will have a lot of expectations and customers like us are skeptical with the new change that is coming in....

So all those M5/M3 owners have liked the V8/V10 power and now when they hear that BMW is changing the direction to an inline 6 they are again skeptical and doubtful if it would be in par with their current M's.... Time will prove all those people with a simple fact that we all 535i's love the engine and we are sure the new era of turbo's will rock... Everything has a flaw nothing is 100% perfect so we accept and go for the best..

Anyways, there is nothing personally i commented, like you said everyone has a different taste and preference..

I like the 535i and you like the 550i

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