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Old 11-06-2012, 05:22 AM
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Diesel F10 coming to US...in 2013!

Diesel F10 coming to the US in 2013, as well as a host of other diesel models.

F30 3 Series sedan diesel - first half 2013
F31 3 Series touring - second half 2013
F10 5 Series diesel - third quarter 2013
X5d diesel - end of 2013
7 Series diesel - first half 2014
X3d diesel - first half 2014

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=670025

According to a friend of mine, he was told by a BMWNA staffer that the X3d will be coming sooner, and will have the 4 pot diesel, not the 6.
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:07 AM
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Any idea which of the Diesel engines will come for the F10?
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:29 AM
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Any idea which of the Diesel engines will come for the F10?
From what I've seen it will be the 530d (single turbo 3L)
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:08 AM
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Doesn't the X5 come in diesel?
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:24 AM
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Yup, this was leaked a couple weeks ago. Shame it's so far out. Looks like BMW is waiting for the LCI to bring the diesel, which will probably be the 6 cylinder
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:26 AM
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Yup, this was leaked a couple weeks ago. Shame it's so far out. Looks like BMW is waiting for the LCI to bring the diesel, which will probably be the 6 cylinder
Hopefully the tri-turbo will come over too!
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:40 AM
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Not to rain on this parade (actually, I'm very excited about this - but for very different reasons), here's my wife's text message from this morning after she dropped our E92 for service: "Asked for a 1er and got an X1. God I hate automatic!"

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Old 11-06-2012, 08:54 AM
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Hopefully the tri-turbo will come over too!
Extremely unlikely due to the lack of demand for high-performance ($$$) diesels over here. They can't justify the EPA certification costs.
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Maybe someone here can educate me on diesel engines. Most auto makers now offer a diesel version to their model line. I see diesel fuel with the same price as 91 here in SoCal. I know diesel offers better mileage but at what expense? There's a shift back to diesel these recent years. I know back in the day, diesel fuel was not as clean as regular premium but what has changed today?
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:05 AM
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Maybe someone here can educate me on diesel engines. Most auto makers now offer a diesel version to their model line. I see diesel fuel with the same price as 91 here in SoCal. I know diesel offers better mileage but at what expense? I know back in the day, diesel fuel was not as clean as regular premium but what has changed today?
Mainly the big change is using diesel particulate filters (DPF) to greatly reduce the soot. High pressure injection systems and advanced injectors also allow a much more controlled injection sequence which improves both power and emissions.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:26 AM
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Maybe someone here can educate me on diesel engines. Most auto makers now offer a diesel version to their model line. I see diesel fuel with the same price as 91 here in SoCal. I know diesel offers better mileage but at what expense? There's a shift back to diesel these recent years. I know back in the day, diesel fuel was not as clean as regular premium but what has changed today?
Along with what was said above, newer passenger car Diesels also have urea-based de-NOx catalysts which, combined with the DPF, are needed to meet current US emissions legislation.

This chemical processing plant hanging off the back of the engine, along with high pressure injectors, turbos etc. all add to cost = Diesels are much more expensive to build than gasoline engines, and this cost is typically passed on to the customer. So you have to spend more to get into a Diesel vehicle.

Fuel efficiency is 20% or so better, but where I live Diesel fuel is at the best of times the same price as premium gasoline, but more often it's 10 to 20 cents more than premium. Unfortunately this pretty much wipes out any financial benefit of improved fuel economy. If Diesel fuel was in higher demand, and/or enjoyed tax breaks like it does in Europe, then the cost-to-own benefits would be a lot better for US buyers.

Note, I'm not anti-Diesel by any means, we have a new Touareg TDI which we love, but don't buy a Diesel thinking it's going to save you a bunch of $ because it's not. The sticker EPA rating may look good, but the total picture is about equal to a modern high efficiency gasoline engine.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:42 AM
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Maybe someone here can educate me on diesel engines. Most auto makers now offer a diesel version to their model line. I see diesel fuel with the same price as 91 here in SoCal. I know diesel offers better mileage but at what expense? There's a shift back to diesel these recent years. I know back in the day, diesel fuel was not as clean as regular premium but what has changed today?
The CO2 emissions of the new diesel engines is very low and hey do get better mileage than gasoline engines, but I had the same questions. I asked a friend from South Africa about it and he explained to me that in addition to the fuel savings, these engines are INCREDIBLY durable. As he said to me " you can beat the ^$%$ out of them" and you will be tired first. They also provide a huge amount of torque and towing capacity.

Take a look at this top gear review of the 535d, would love to get my hands one of these....

http://www.topgear.com/uk/bmw/5-series/road-test/535d


The 3.0-litre twin-turbo straight six, comprehensively re-engineered for the sixth-gen 5-Series, now produces 295bhp and a walloping 442lb ft of torque, good for a 0-62mph time of 5.7 seconds - only a second behind BMW's own M5 - but economy of 45mpg and CO2 emissions of just 162g/km
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Old 11-06-2012, 10:32 AM
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You all must factor in that a typical diesel always costs more that it's gasoline equivalent, so it'll be 2-5 years before you see any savings to begin with.

This is the main dilemma a lot of folks in EU face. Right off the bat you get slammed with a higher sticker price and it only makes sense if you a) buy used and negotiate the price OR b) plan on keeping the car 10-15 years OR c) you drive A LOT (like hundreds of miles a day).

X5 diesel, for example, costs $2500 more than 35i, here in Canada. That gets you 1800 litres of gas (about 500 gallons). Think how many years you'd need to drive to use that much more gas.

So it's an investment more than anything else.
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Old 11-06-2012, 10:36 AM
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Great news for future diesel buyers. However if your buying a diesel caz u think they'll be reliable like the old mercs is plain dumb. The
Amount of tech involved to keep these motors working is ridiculous. The motors structural build might be great, but without all the modules, you literally have the equivalent to a pile of crap under the hood.

In addition the fuel economy is great, however your not gonna beat a Prius or likewise. BMW knows this and advertises as such, this a performance diesel with the added benefit of some efficiency. The fuel costs are actually higher with d, so the 5mpgs extra u get goes toward paying the extra 10-15 cents per gallon.

There are also problems that some owners will face, due to their environment (availability of ideal gas stations). So it all adds up.
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:44 AM
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Diesel advantages:

- everything when compared with COMPARABLE gasoline engine. Comparable gasoline engine will be the one that can do the same amount of work as diesel.

Diesel disadvantages:

- you can't rev it high which makes it much less suitable for enthusiastic driving with MT than a high-revving gasoline counterpart. Things would much improve with DCT, but then it is racing, not enthusiastic driving - just ask Audi. That's about it.



I can't believe the paradox that exists with diesel engine and usage in EU/US. Europeans, generally speaking, have NO business driving diesel cars, they should be driving hybrids. They drive very light cars mostly in stop-and-go traffic or heavy traffic anyway. When they don't drive in stop-and-go traffic, they (unlike the Americans) do know the purpose of the "go" pedal and are not afraid to use it, thus high-revving engines are a good choice. Yet, in some EU countries, more than 70% of new cars sold are diesel while hybrid is viewed just as a curious automotive appendix and evolution hiccup.

Americans, generally speaking, have NO business driving gasoline only/hybrid vehicles, we should be driving mostly diesels. Americans drive heavy vehicles without any understanding of the concept of acceleration or what the "go" pedal is there for. Most of the engine work is done at ridiculously low rpms. Most of the miles are not in stop-and-go traffic and distances traveled are in any case bigger than what Europeans do. Yet ... well, you know the rest of the story.
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Lets not forget that the current generation of diesels are in their infancy. The old cloud of dust, need a calendar to clock 0-60 time is behind us. Diesels will only continue to get better, and as Mr D mentioned if the government continues to offer incentives diesels will become more and more common. There great performance and unsurpassed reliability will only continue to get better. I for one, will definitely consider one provided BMW keep them as part of the US offerings.
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Lets not forget that the current generation of diesels are in their infancy. The old cloud of dust, need a calendar to clock 0-60 time is behind us. Diesels will only continue to get better, and as Mr D mentioned if the government continues to offer incentives diesels will become more and more common. There great performance and unsurpassed reliability will only continue to get better. I for one, will definitely consider one provided BMW keep them as part of the US offerings.
I think you underestimate the technology advances in Diesel that have occurred over the past 20+ years. The engines on the road today have a ton of new technology implemented rapidly - yes further improvements will come, but it will be incremental. Meanwhile gasoline technology is going just as quickly - direct injection, compression ignition and many other cool things are happening that are delivering big returns.
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MR D, almost 30 fill ups and close to 38 MPG - you must jump for joy at your decision when gas shoots up. Or rather Mrs D must since you have a 550i...
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MR D, almost 30 fill ups and close to 38 MPG - you must jump for joy at your decision when gas shoots up. Or rather Mrs D must since you have a 550i...
Mrs Dunderhi has become quite spoiled with her car. Even though the 335d can be frugal when asked, it's a lot of fun to drive hard. I borrow it from time-to-time to make sure everything is working okay or at least that's what I tell Mrs Dunderhi.
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Diesels have to come if BMW is to meet cafe standards.

I thought this was obvious.

Expect more 4 banger gas and diesel.
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Please release those torque beasts. I promise to take either 530d /or 535d.
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You want your 530 D with the ZF 8HP70.
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manual in 530d or 535d does not make any sense. the gears are too short, the engine has too much torque. I always drove manuals until I tried 530d manual. Fortunately, after the test drive in manual, I bought 530dA
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manual in 530d or 535d does not make any sense. the gears are too short, the engine has too much torque. I always drove manuals until I tried 530d manual. Fortunately, after the test drive in manual, I bought 530dA
Would a massive amount of torque speak precisely for getting a manual? Ie. you're cruising in the 4th around town, stomp on it... and it goes? Automatic would attempt to downshift most likely...?

Just speculating here, but kinda makes sense doesn't it? Why downshift if torque is available? Just floor it and zoom off in the same gear?
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Totally a pipe dream here, but I hope they don't include auto-start-stop tech on the new d (but im pretty sure they would). And please include enough isolation from the idle diesel clatter. It would be much appreciated.
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