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Old 11-10-2012, 08:26 PM
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MegaSpeed 335d Tune + DPF Delete Review - Toronto, ON

This review is mostly for those few Canadians (and some North Eastern Americans) considering tuning their 335d's.

I recently purchased a 2009 335d from Ottawa ON and started in on looking for interesting things to do to it. Coming from a highly modified Diesel Jetta, tuning was something I was familiar with and hoping for.

After doing some research I heard good things about MegaSpeed and their Canadian Counterpart Jarek at JR Auto Electronics in Oakville. I contacted Jarek after reading a few reviews (from NRG?) and we arranged to have my Car tuned while I was in Toronto next. One of the things I wasn't keen on was sending my ECU away - I was very happy that they could tune it on-site (still having to remove it from the vehicle for re-flashing, however).
After speaking with Jarek for a only a few minutes I knew he knew what he was talking about and felt much better about the whole process. He has tuned many 335d's and X5d's and keeps in regular touch with each of them. He even put me in touch with a few customers so that I could satisfy my interests further...

The tuning took a good full day (I just left the car with them) but it was well worth it.
Driving home I could feel the increase immediately. It was a little slick out and just rolling into the throttle gave me a nice twist in the corners - very impressive. Throughout the following week I really felt the car come together as the ECU re-adapted to my driving.
One of the biggest differences was the fact that the Car had a very large amount of power all the way through the range - it didn't fall off just over 3500 like it did before - it held very strong all the way to 5K. I also found the shifts to be quicker and smoother. All around the car was much more fun to drive.

After a few days I got thinking of other things (looking for more) and contacted Jarek about possibly removing the DPF. Jarek mentioned I could get some additional power by removing the DPF and having it re-tuned for this removal. I was a little concerned about this as I've heard (from the UK) about DPF removal and how LOUD the car gets (or at least hearing a new resonance) and that wasn't something I wanted. One of the things I love about this car is just how quiet and smooth it is....

But eventually I gave into temptation and went for it - And I'm glad I did!

I've had the car now for about 5 days since the DPF removal and second re-tune and I'm almost positive I've gained another 10-15% in power. You have to be careful as you can break loose very easily if you aren't careful! It's very difficult not to smile as your roll onto the throttle - it just throws you back in your seat like I've never felt before. This whole process has really turned the car into a completely different machine - a real monster!

The best part is that the car isn't any louder what-so-ever. The car idles and cruises with no audible difference. The only time I've noticed a difference is when I rev up between 3-3.5K. I can slightly hear the engine more than I did before. To be honest, I like it - sounds kind of like a V8 and it is by no means obtrusive. If you didn't have two 335d's beside each other I can guarantee you couldn't tell any difference.

Another benefit of this process is that the DPF isn't technically removed but the internals are extracted and a by-pass pipe installed. The Pre-Cat is still active and the exterior of the DPF is exactly as it came (but wilth a few new "welds"). I'm fairly certain this is why there isn't any more sound. All said and done, you can't visually tell that anything has been done to the car, even if you remove the belly pan and have a look - so that's a plus for me - as I'm trying to keep the engine compartment looking stock.
Now I don't have to worry about re-generation and clogging the DPF on my short (but very fun) drives to/from work.

I also noticed a decrease in fuel consumption on the second half of my drive home. I haven't done many KM's since but I'm seeing the needle sit in the 5-6L/100KM range while cruising at 120KM/h. Before, I was seeing between 6-7L/100KM. Only time will tell but it's looking very good.

All in all, it was a great experience and Jarek was very accommodating on my strive for more. I'm already thinking of new things he can do for me...

I would highly recommend this if you are considering getting a tune...

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Old 11-11-2012, 08:09 PM
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Good stuff and great review man. Did Jarek have to do some coding for the DPF removal so as to not trigger any SES lights? Does this affect the urea/DEF part of the car at all?

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Old 11-12-2012, 06:38 AM
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Good stuff and great review man. Did Jarek have to do some coding for the DPF removal so as to not trigger any SES lights? Does this affect the urea/DEF part of the car at all?
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:04 PM
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Hi Guys,

Yes he did have to do some modifications to remove the re-genreation cycles and DPF related entries in the ECU. He's done a few and works very closely with MegaSpeed on that part so I wasn't worried. I haven't had any problems with SES lights or malfunctions. All is good.

The Urea injection is still active but we are working on getting rid of that. I don't really care much myself as it's a normal part of the car but he is working on a way to remove that as it isn't necessary anymore now that there is no DPF.

Let me know if you have any other questions!
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:14 AM
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Hi Guys,

Yes he did have to do some modifications to remove the re-genreation cycles and DPF related entries in the ECU. He's done a few and works very closely with MegaSpeed on that part so I wasn't worried. I haven't had any problems with SES lights or malfunctions. All is good.

The Urea injection is still active but we are working on getting rid of that. I don't really care much myself as it's a normal part of the car but he is working on a way to remove that as it isn't necessary anymore now that there is no DPF.

Let me know if you have any other questions!
Any black smoke? post DPF removal. Good info, I too have been looking into tuning, is this guy off of speers road, if yes I think I had my E320 CDI tuned by him.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:25 AM
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I haven't noticed any myself but I can't say I've been looking. The only draw towards no DPF is that my tail pipes are a little sooty now... but I don't care. My previous Jetta was the very same way and smoked like a freight train. I just wipe them off when I wash the car (once a week) and they are good for the next week.

If I had of been smart (and a little more daring) I would have done it all at the same time. Very worth it as far as I'm concerned. One less thing to worry about down the road also.

And yes, he is off of Spears Road.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:10 PM
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Hi Guys,

Yes he did have to do some modifications to remove the re-genreation cycles and DPF related entries in the ECU. He's done a few and works very closely with MegaSpeed on that part so I wasn't worried. I haven't had any problems with SES lights or malfunctions. All is good.

The Urea injection is still active but we are working on getting rid of that. I don't really care much myself as it's a normal part of the car but he is working on a way to remove that as it isn't necessary anymore now that there is no DPF.

Let me know if you have any other questions!
Has there been any progress made to removing the rest of the emissions equipment? I'm about ready to pull the trigger and pick up a 2011 335d but that will only happen if I can get rid of the DPF, EGR, and urea injection. That seems to be what is killing most diesels, BMW included. Hope it has been running well without at least the EGR and DPF. Thanks.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:22 PM
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Has there been any progress made to removing the rest of the emissions equipment? I'm about ready to pull the trigger and pick up a 2011 335d but that will only happen if I can get rid of the DPF, EGR, and urea injection. That seems to be what is killing most diesels, BMW included. Hope it has been running well without at least the EGR and DPF. Thanks.
There is another poster here who has had all of the above removed and the car is running fine. Your 2011 will be under warranty. No need to get this done until you're out of warranty.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:20 PM
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Is it just me or does the Canadian removing emissions systems from his fossil fueled vehicle seem ironic?
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:16 AM
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Is it just me or does the Canadian removing emissions systems from his fossil fueled vehicle seem ironic?

Hahaha I like your comment.......but 1 or maybe 5 diesel cars doing this is not even close to the petrol/gasoline powered V8's or V10's and the pickup trucks when it comes to bad emissions....

Lets ask DOT and MTO here in Ontario Canada, why are pickup trucks in the different category of vehicles when it comes to emission standards ???

How about Industrial emissions, in my humble opinion this whole emission thing for passenger cars is an over kill.
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Thread revival! How's the mileage? Did you dyno?
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:22 PM
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1. Our software chiptuning modification is prepared by Mega Speed in Germany one of the best tuners for BMW and MB
50-55HP and 70-75TQ increase after modification , also better fuel economy
Price $749 ECU is tuning protected we have to remove it and do bench programming

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If You don't need the DPF anymore and want to have the exhaust to be like original we are cutting out DPF, remove internal material and install stainless steel pipe inside exhaust looks the same
We don't provide any of replacement straight pipe at the moment for E90 35D
With DPF removed power increase comparing to normal tune 10% more
The total price DPF software and hardware + tuning software is $1499 including EGR off if requested
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Old 02-27-2013, 06:50 PM
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Thanks, Greek! DPF delete & EGR lockout sound great, but those gains are pretty modest all things considered, no?
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:13 PM
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I haven't had it Dyno'd yet (very soon) but I'm thinking we are probably about 75-80HP and 100-115ft/lb over stock so it its quite an improvement.

I did my tuning stages :

1. Just TUNE
2. DPF Removal and Re-TUNE

And I noticed about an equal amount of increase each time.

Will keep you posted tho!
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Old 03-02-2013, 12:02 PM
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I haven't had it Dyno'd yet (very soon) but I'm thinking we are probably about 75-80HP and 100-115ft/lb over stock so it its quite an improvement.

I did my tuning stages :

1. Just TUNE
2. DPF Removal and Re-TUNE

And I noticed about an equal amount of increase each time.

Will keep you posted tho!
Gmaur, think you might be able to get them to dyno it for you for advertising purposes? If not, I think I may be curious enough to chip in slightly for your dyno cost. Lets see them results
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I like the Malone tune better. cool car...
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This is directly from Jarek:

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1. Our software chiptuning modification is prepared by Mega Speed in Germany one of the best tuners for BMW and MB
50-55HP and 70-75TQ increase after modification , also better fuel economy
Price $749 ECU is tuning protected we have to remove it and do bench programming

2.
If You don't need the DPF anymore and want to have the exhaust to be like original we are cutting out DPF, remove internal material and install stainless steel pipe inside exhaust looks the same
We don't provide any of replacement straight pipe at the moment for E90 35D
With DPF removed power increase comparing to normal tune 10% more
The total price DPF software and hardware + tuning software is $1499 including EGR off if requested
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From the numbers, they don't look any better then the $300 JBD
Quoted from Burger Tuning site:
" Gain up to 60+ horsepower and up to 100+ torque to the wheels by simply adding the JB Diesel (JBD) with no other modifications. In addition to power and torque gains throttle response is dramatically improved making your juiced BMW much more fun to drive. Simple plug and play installation and does not hurt fuel economy during normal driving."

I am new to this tuning stuff... what am I missing?
Why spend that kind of $$$ over JBD?
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I am new to this tuning stuff... what am I missing?
Why spend that kind of $$$ over JBD?
When using a chip like the JBD, you are tricking the ECU into doing things by feeding it false information. An actual retune like RENNtech, MegaSpeed, Evolve, etc, retrains the ECU to act differently. Although issues with the chips havent been realized, a true tune is a safer method of tuning.

Additionally, with more adjustable parameters than just Fuel Pressure (such as injector frequency and turbo pressure setpoints), a good tuner can create a more fluid curve than a chip (look at the torque curves on RENNtech vs. JBD) while reducing the additional wear caused by running a tuned vehicle relative to a chip. One final reason is that many people talk about is limp mode occurring with the chips, but candidly I don't think this is as prevalent or as big of a deal as some wood like you to think.

As far as $/hp, you can't beat a JBD--almost to a point of making it hard to justify anything else--, but $/hp isn't the only criteria for making a decision about how to tune your automobile.
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This is directly from Jarek:

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1. Our software chiptuning modification is prepared by Mega Speed in Germany one of the best tuners for BMW and MB
50-55HP and 70-75TQ increase after modification , also better fuel economy
Price $749 ECU is tuning protected we have to remove it and do bench programming

2.
If You don't need the DPF anymore and want to have the exhaust to be like original we are cutting out DPF, remove internal material and install stainless steel pipe inside exhaust looks the same
We don't provide any of replacement straight pipe at the moment for E90 35D
With DPF removed power increase comparing to normal tune 10% more
The total price DPF software and hardware + tuning software is $1499 including EGR off if requested
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From the numbers, they don't look any better then the $300 JBD
Quoted from Burger Tuning site:
" Gain up to 60+ horsepower and up to 100+ torque to the wheels by simply adding the JB Diesel (JBD) with no other modifications. In addition to power and torque gains throttle response is dramatically improved making your juiced BMW much more fun to drive. Simple plug and play installation and does not hurt fuel economy during normal driving."

I am new to this tuning stuff... what am I missing?
Why spend that kind of $$$ over JBD?
If you are looking at chip tune vs. chip tune from what I've read, the JBD is definitely the way to to, however, just an ecu tune though doesn't address the carbon buildup in the intake and cylinder head caused by the EGR & DEF/DPF, when I bought my 09' 335d last summer with 76K on it, I spent $5,500 to have the cylinder head cleaned and a new intake manifold, less than 40 miles after having all that work done, and money spent, it spun a rod bearing and I needed a new motor, now that the new motor is in I don't want to have to replace intake and or cylinder head need cleaning because of Carbon Buildup caused by the EGR and DPF/DEf!! from what I understand by making those additional modifications both hardware and software you gain an additional 5% - 10%, I may be wrong, but you definitely will get better MPG with EGR/DPF delete!!
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Just looking through what they've posted, and what you've said, I think you might be a bit ambitious on your #'s. Would love to see a dyno to get some hard figures. I might consider taking my car up to them for at least the DPF and EGR removal, though.
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You'd drive up all the way from SoCal to Toronto?! That would be over 2,500 miles to get here.

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You'd drive up all the way from SoCal to Toronto?! That would be over 2,500 miles to get here.
I would if it were worth the trip, yes.
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I would if it were worth the trip, yes.
Sweet man. If you decide to come down then I'll meet you there.
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Old 02-28-2013, 02:17 AM
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I would drive if I could from Puerto Rico LOL. But frankly a gain of 10 percent would be on top of my Renntech flash would be 30 ponies and wow that would put us GTR Range as far as torque or better yet the M5d.gracias greek instead a Quafie id look at this!@!!!

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How are you planning on dealing with drive clean in Ontario. They use an OBDII reader and check for readiness of the sensors etc.
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