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Old 12-08-2012, 05:18 PM
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Current snap-in adapter: Modify for iphone 5?

So I have the snap-in adapter for iphone 4

I wonder, could it be modified to fit the iphone 5? A new adapter might be a ways off (anyone know when it's due?)

I have access to a milling machine, plastics, etc, and lots of experience in model making, prototyping, etc (I'm an Industrial Designer)... so making it longer shouldn't be too bad...

But the 5 uses an all new charging plug, so that's probably quite tricky to deal with.

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Old 12-08-2012, 05:30 PM
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Hmmm, maybe incorporate one of these?

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I guess the real question is, why do you want the snap-in adapter anyway?

The snap-in adapter has one significant upside over just using the standard USB port and a white Apple cord (iPod Out) and a few significant downsides (trapping phone in armrest, no audible text alerts, no split-screen, etc.).

Most of us deal with the loss of the Apple user interface and adapt to the BMW interface very quickly, and the upsides of not having to jail the iPhone in the armrest and gaining split-screen for our iTunes collections are more important.

We debated this months ago here, screenshots of the varying music screens for reference:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho....php?p=7076435

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Old 12-08-2012, 09:08 PM
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I guess the real question is, why do you want the snap-in adapter anyway?

The snap-in adapter has one significant upside over just using the standard USB port and a white Apple cord (iPod Out) and a few significant downsides (trapping phone in armrest, no audible text alerts, no split-screen, etc.).

Most of us deal with the loss of the Apple user interface and adapt to the BMW interface very quickly, and the upsides of not having to jail the iPhone in the armrest and gaining split-screen for our iTunes collections are more important.

We debated this months ago here, screenshots of the varying music screens for reference:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho....php?p=7076435

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Old 12-08-2012, 09:41 PM
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Thanks for posting that link. VERY helpful.
You just saved me $250. Thanks!
Glad to help, just paying it forward as Technic and other posters did likewise for me a few months ago.

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Good points, but I really can't stand dealing with a cord to plug in. And if it means I look at my phone less while driving, that's not a bad thing. I dig the snap-in.

What gets me is how lame BMW apps is... really, who needs fb and twitter in the car? Maybe some more apps in the future that are actually useful?

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Old 12-09-2012, 10:27 AM
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Compressed audio = fail

This is why a flash drive is better than an iPod/iPhone for music... WAV files for the win
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:28 AM
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Compressed audio = fail

This is why a flash drive is better than an iPod/iPhone for music... WAV files for the win
You know about ALAC, right?
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Compressed audio = fail

This is why a flash drive is better than an iPod/iPhone for music... WAV files for the win
You're not driving a Rolls. The road noise reduces the difference between the two to a negligible amount. Car audio is about quantity not quality, at least in an F30.

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You're not driving a Rolls. The road noise reduces the difference between the two to a negligible amount. Car audio is about quantity not quality, at least in an F30.

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I notice a very significant difference. No I'm not imagining it. I have a huge amount of experience in audio, both home and car, don't get me started. Glad you're happy with your substandard source material, don't expect others to be resigned to the same mediocrity.
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I notice a very significant difference. No I'm not imagining it. I have a huge amount of experience in audio, both home and car, don't get me started. Glad you're happy with your substandard source material, don't expect others to be resigned to the same mediocrity.
I have a huge amount of experience in audio, more than you, trust me.

In certain environments you abdicate a 10% difference in sound quality for a 1000% difference in quantity of source material. Having 200 WAV's in the car as opposed to 20,000 256Kbps M4A files and depriving yourself of hundreds of artists material at your fingertips defeats the purpose of the function entirely.

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Anyways, back on topic... I'm going to take a good look at the dock, see if it can be modified.
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200 WAV's? Try 2000+

Done arguing. Listen to whatever the hell makes you happy.
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Old 12-09-2012, 04:24 PM
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One issue I see with using an old iPhone instead of a flash drive is that if you leave the car unattended for a few days the battery of the iPhone will die.

Also, you can sell an iPhone for more than it costs to buy a 128 gig flash drive, which has 4, 8, or even 16 times as much memory.
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One issue I see with using an old iPhone instead of a flash drive is that if you leave the car unattended for a few days the battery of the iPhone will die.

Also, you can sell an iPhone for more than it costs to buy a 128 gig flash drive, which has 4, 8, or even 16 times as much memory.
The iPhone's battery will not die so long as it's plugged into a USB port. I left my iPod unattended for weeks in my BMWs, soon as you start up the engine it's fully functional.

The problem with a flash drive is that it is not compatible with iTunes. Most of us have library's in iTunes with songs we purchased in iTunes organized in playlists in iTunes. To keep that functionality as well as updates to our play counts, an iOS device is necessary. In my case it's an iPod touch, in this posters case it's an iPhone.

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The iPhone's battery will not die so long as it's plugged into a USB port. I left my iPod unattended for weeks in my BMWs, soon as you start up the engine it's fully functional.

The problem with a flash drive is that it is not compatible with iTunes. Most of us have library's in iTunes with songs we purchased in iTunes organized in playlists in iTunes. To keep that functionality as well as updates to our play counts, an iOS device is necessary. In my case it's an iPod touch, in this posters case it's an iPhone.

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How does the iphone not die? Does it trickle charge off of the battery? Hard to believe. Agreed, if it even has 5% battery life remaining, the USB power source will keep it going when you start the car. But if it drains down to zero (how would it not?), it will take a few minutes for the car to bring it back to life.

I guess I'm not an itunes guy (haha, no sh*t, really?). I have it, I use it, but when it comes to anything where I care at all about sound quality, I have zero interest. Used to use it a lot for podcasts, but Stitcher blows away itunes for podcasts (no downloading necessary).

I'm a firm believer in lossless audio, as you already know. Yes, there's ALAC, but those files are much larger, and the iphones/ipods don't have enough memory. Also, ALAC is a lot less universal with other devices/playback softwares.

My admittedly laborious approach: I preview albums on Rhapsody or similar streaming service. If I like it, I buy it on CD from Amazon. I then rip the CD to FLAC and WAV, then archive the CD as a backup. Apple/Itunes doesn't mesh with this approach at all.

I can get about 100 albums of WAV files onto a 128 gig flash drive, which is good enough for me... maybe once a month I'll bring the stick in to edit the content. No biggie... I don't need 1000 albums at once.

Obviously my approach isn't for everyone... Apple/itunes is incredibly convenient if you're willing to sacrifice a lot of information, including a big decrease in dynamic range (bleccch!), which road noise doesn't magically make irrelevant. Just because a car is a less than ideal environment, that doesn't mean that you give up on the best quality source material... doing so just makes it even worse. Significantly. YES, IT DOES

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How does the iphone not die? Does it trickle charge off of the battery? Hard to believe. Agreed, if it even has 5% battery life remaining, the USB power source will keep it going when you start the car. But if it drains down to zero (how would it not?), it will take a few minutes for the car to bring it back to life.

I guess I'm not an itunes guy (haha, no sh*t, really?). I have it, I use it, but when it comes to anything where I care at all about sound quality, I have zero interest. Used to use it a lot for podcasts, but Stitcher blows away itunes for podcasts (no downloading necessary).

I'm a firm believer in lossless audio, as you already know. Yes, there's ALAC, but those files are much larger, and the iphones/ipods don't have enough memory. Also, ALAC is a lot less universal with other devices/playback softwares.

My admittedly laborious approach: I preview albums on Rhapsody or similar streaming service. If I like it, I buy it on CD from Amazon. I then rip the CD to FLAC and WAV, then archive the CD as a backup. Apple/Itunes doesn't mesh with this approach at all.

I can get about 100 albums of WAV files onto a 128 gig flash drive, which is good enough for me... maybe once a month I'll bring the stick in to edit the content. No biggie... I don't need 1000 albums at once.

Obviously my approach isn't for everyone... Apple/itunes is incredibly convenient if you're willing to sacrifice a lot of information, including a big decrease in dynamic range (bleccch!), which road noise doesn't magically make irrelevant. Just because a car is a less than ideal environment, that doesn't mean that you give up on the best quality source material... doing so just makes it even worse. Significantly. YES, IT DOES

Just one audiophile's take.
Regarding the iPhone battery life, I don't know how it works but I left my car sitting for weeks at a time and when I restarted the engine started the music there was no delay while it slowly charged itself back to boot up. It just came on instantly.

Regarding iTunes, it's just so convenient and so well organized that it really makes the overall music listening experience better. No point in owning 25,000 songs if it's hard to get to them and impossible to organize them; you wind up listening to less music which isn't a good thing.

Regarding sound quality, my point of view is that there are no current great artists making such consistently great music that are worthy of my attempting great in-car audio solutions for them. I already own Abbey Road in several lossless formats, don't need another copy for the car where the wind noise and tire hum takes that 10% acoustic win and neutralizes it. No one rips at a paltry 128kbps anymore because the hard drives are so cheap and spacious, and 256kbps files sound terrific in a living room, very hard to discern from lossless to my ears.

Lastly, I can think of three albums in the last 10 years that were so outrageously good I would be driven to want to hear them in lossless audio. Like it or not, today's music is disposable and thus having track quantity over audio quality in one's car is consistent with what the record industry is doing.

Just my two cents.

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Regarding the iPhone battery life, I don't know how it works but I left my car sitting for weeks at a time and when I restarted the engine started the music there was no delay while it slowly charged itself back to boot up. It just came on instantly.

Regarding iTunes, it's just so convenient and so well organized that it really makes the overall music listening experience better. No point in owning 25,000 songs if it's hard to get to them and impossible to organize them; you wind up listening to less music which isn't a good thing.

Regarding sound quality, my point of view is that there are no current great artists making such consistently great music that are worthy of my attempting great in-car audio solutions for them. I already own Abbey Road in several lossless formats, don't need another copy for the car where the wind noise and tire hum takes that 10% acoustic win and neutralizes it. No one rips at a paltry 128kbps anymore because the hard drives are so cheap and spacious, and 256kbps files sound terrific in a living room, very hard to discern from lossless to my ears.

Lastly, I can think of three albums in the last 10 years that were so outrageously good I would be driven to want to hear them in lossless audio. Like it or not, today's music is disposable and thus having track quantity over audio quality in one's car is consistent with what the record industry is doing.

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One issue I see with using an old iPhone instead of a flash drive is that if you leave the car unattended for a few days the battery of the iPhone will die.
Just left my old iPhone in the car for 12 days while we were off on a trip. Phone battery was still at 48% upon our return.

Apple is just pretty good at battery management, especially if the cell radio is off.
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Minus 100 billion.

Sorry, but it must suck to be so cynical/ closed-minded/ naive/ disheartened/ curmudgeonly/ or just plain bored with music (take your pick). To make such broad blanket statements about ALL music is just plain silly.

There is SOOOO much good music out there, much of it incredibly well recorded.

Ya just gotta spend some time searching for it. I recommend Rhapsody (a bajillion albums, very well organized by genre, a few bucks a month). Question your convictions. Expand your criteria. Try new genres. Loosen up.

"Holy crap how have I never heard this" is mere clicks away, endlessly.

Doesn't rhapsody use compression?
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Doesn't Rhapsody use compression?
Yes, and Stitcher too.

Look, the guy has his convictions and his heart is in the right place. It's just a funny spot for this type of discussion. This isn't a media room forum or a high fidelity forum. We drive performance cars that make noise, on streets that make noise, and fly like the wind which makes noise. To each his own, but to me the automobile is not the place to make a stand on sound quality.

I've got CD's and 180 gram vinyl for the stuff I care passionately about, but when it comes to mobility I download and rip and it sounds great on the products those types of compressed sources are optimized for- like iPod's and iPhones and car stereo systems.

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To each his own, but to me the automobile is not the place to make a stand on sound quality.
Totally respectable position. For sure a car is light years from an ideal listening environment, so there's a solid argument to be made for quantity over quality...

For me personally, I hate the sound of compressed audio, and find that it makes any system sound worse, road noise and all... depends on your priorities I guess.

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Totally respectable position. For sure a car is light years from an ideal listening environment, so there's a solid argument to be made for quantity over quality...

For me personally, I hate the sound of compressed audio, and find that it makes any system sound worse, road noise and all... depends on your priorities I guess.
There is nothing more subjective than sound quality, one man's ears are different than another's, very hard to make an argument either way.

From my experience, a car is the perfect place to choose song quantity over song quality as having 20,000 songs and 2,500 artists at one's fingertips is incredibly convenient and a good use of hard drive space. I haven't used a CD since 2004 and my collection is 80% rips I did over the years at 160kbps and 20% iTunes downloads at 256kbps. To my ears, those songs sound fantastic in my F30 with the standard (European 'premium') audio system as they do on my iPhone/iPod/iTunes devices which, again, are optimized for this type of compression and subsequent decompression.

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Yes it does but otonimus said earlier in the thread he's only using it to find music, not actually listen to it.
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