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Old 12-26-2012, 11:25 PM
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Question Big difference between the 328 and the 335?

I'm looking at getting a 09 328xi coupe and I just wanted to know if there is a big difference (other than 0-60mph) in overall driving experience between the 328 and the 335. Right now I have an 02 Camry which has around 157 hp so I think anything will be fast in comparison. I can afford the 328 but the 335 I'd be a bit tight on money. So I'd just like to hear your thoughts.

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Old 12-27-2012, 02:25 AM
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The 335 has a lot more torque, so at-speed acceleration is also noticeably greater than that of the 328. The N54 in the '09 335s can also be easily tuned to get even more torque and horsepower. The turbos add power, complexity, and potential downstream maintenance costs.

I have an '09 335 and have never regretted spending the extra money. There's a ton of opinions on this. Strangely, they all seem to lean towards "I have the (enter model) and it's clearly superior to the other one!"
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:58 AM
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Bigger brakes on the 335 is the largest difference. It comes with more standard equipment than the 328 as well.
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I'm looking at getting a 09 328xi coupe and I just wanted to know if there is a big difference (other than 0-60mph) in overall driving experience between the 328 and the 335. Right now I have an 02 Camry which has around 157 hp so I think anything will be fast in comparison. I can afford the 328 but the 335 I'd be a bit tight on money. So I'd just like to hear your thoughts.

The very thought is absurd. In truth, they are the same engine. One has valvetronic [328i] and the other turbos [335i].

Apples and oranges are, in the final analysis, both fruit.

Some say one if faster than the other, but that is often misinterpretation, depending on the driver and road conditions. Naked truth: Both vehicles sport exactly the same suspension and performance thereof.

One pays more for turbos. Do not be intimidated! Unless you wish to modify, you may not notice a difference. However, engine modification, on a 335i, will result in a much faster car at the cost of its warranty, invalidated.

We are interested in your decision - please post! And keep in mind that statistically, 328i is a more reliable machine.
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[B][I][COLOR="Navy"] Unless you wish to modify, you may not notice a difference.


I get whipped all the time by other cars in stoplight racing[when I have that 328 as a loaner], where you might need to anticipate a jerk 1 second ahead with the 335i you need to do it 10 seconds ahead in the 328i. Also all the silky smooth talk I never notice that, its jerky as hell taking the foot off the gas and reengaging the car.

It may not be a big difference with suspension, interior exc., but you will get your butt kicked A LOT in a 328.

Get an IS350 if you want reliability (and it'll still be faster)

The only thing I'd worry about is the OP said he'd already be stretched just getting into it, and could find himself at the dealer within a month needing VANOS, Turbos, exc. and may not have the funds to fix the car.

*fun thing about the 328i is you can put your foot to the floor and make the the engine noises and still not be going over the speed limit

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Old 12-27-2012, 07:11 AM
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I get whipped all the time by other cars in stoplight racing[when I have that 328 as a loaner], where you might need to anticipate a jerk 1 second ahead with the 335i you need to do it 10 seconds ahead in the 328i. Also all the silky smooth talk I never notice that, its jerky as hell taking the foot off the gas and reengaging the car.

It may not be a big difference with suspension, interior exc., but you will get your butt kicked A LOT in a 328.

Get an IS350 if you want reliability (and it'll still be faster)

The only thing I'd worry about is the OP said he'd already be stretched just getting into it, and could find himself at the dealer within a month needing VANOS, Turbos, exc. and may not have the funds to fix the car.

*fun thing about the 328i is you can put your foot to the floor and make the the engine noises and still not be going over the speed limit
And here we go....

OP: The 328i does 0-60 in low 6's and 1/4 mile in mid to high 14's. The 335 does 0-60 in mid to high 5's and quarter mile in mid to high 13's. So there is a quite a difference acceleration wise between the two. The 328 is roughly 200 lbs lighter than the 335 and some say it is a little more tossable on turns but the difference is minimal. The biggest issues with the 335 is its reliability record and it is something you should research before purchasing the vehicle. Go test drive few of them and make your decision then. I had a 335Xi rental when my RWD 328i SP was getting work done and I really missed the 328, so it really depends on what you like more.
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It may not be a big difference with suspension, interior exc., but you will get your butt kicked A LOT in a 328.

Solution: Travel a high road. Do not cave to boy racer challenges - it is eloquent, and it is sophisticated, to decline with grace and cheer. That often leaves them so bamboozled that they do not remember clearly what happened.
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Solution: Travel a high road. Do not cave to boy racer challenges - it is eloquent, and it is sophisticated, to decline with grace and cheer. That often leaves them so bamboozled that they do not remember clearly what happened.
I'm not talking about someone looking to race (honestly who'd be silly enough to want to race with a 328 ) I'm talking about the jerks that cut in over solid lines, or get in the merge line and step on it.
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:26 PM
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I'm not talking about someone looking to race (honestly who'd be silly enough to want to race with a 328 ) I'm talking about the jerks that cut in over solid lines, or get in the merge line and step on it.
Adults don't mess about in these situations and unless you are talking about getting cut off by a Porsche, 335 or other more capable cars, you can beat most anyway.

I've been in a 328 for 5 years now and have never raced or been in a situation where I didn't have enough power. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a 335 but for nearly every scenario that is reasonable, the 328 is at minimum sufficient and at most plenty fast.
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Solution: Travel a high road. Do not cave to boy racer challenges - it is eloquent, and it is sophisticated, to decline with grace and cheer. That often leaves them so bamboozled that they do not remember clearly what happened.
thankfully you dont see them much around here. i see those scrubby kids a lot more in central/western mass. although I must admit Ive never had someone "challenge" me lol. i always hear about it, but i never see it. maybe i just dont live the fast & furious life
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:54 AM
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thankfully you dont see them much around here. i see those scrubby kids a lot more in central/western mass. although I must admit Ive never had someone "challenge" me lol. i always hear about it, but i never see it. maybe i just dont live the fast & furious life

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In truth, they are the same engine. One has valvetronic [328i] and the other turbos [335i].

Apples and oranges are, in the final analysis, both fruit.
Don't be mislead by this completely erroneous statement. They are emphatically not the same engine, in fact they start with completely different engine blocks, and this analogy of apples and oranges both being fruit is just plain misleading.

The engine in the E9x 328i is the N52 engine. The engine in the E9x 335i is the N54 engine through 2011 and the N55 engine from 2012-2013. BMW didn't just take the N52 and slap a couple of turbos on it and call it the N54 or slap a twin-scroll turbocharger on it and call it the N55. Click on the links for Wikipedia articles on each engine. Also see this thread comparing the two engines. Although virtually identical in spec, the N54 and the N55 are not even the same engine, although both use turbo technology.

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Old 12-27-2012, 02:12 PM
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Don't be mislead by this completely erroneous statement. They are emphatically not the same engine, in fact they start with completely different engine blocks, and this analogy of apples and oranges both being fruit is just plain misleading.

With CALWATERBOY you have to learn to take almost everything he says with a grain of salt.

This is just outrageous.

In the first place, both engines are 3 liter. I will go so far as to say that if automatic, the transmissions may differ.

Lastly, a grain of salt? I would never recommend less that a salt lick. My antennae quiver.
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This is just outrageous.

In the first place, both engines are 3 liter. I will go so far as to say that if automatic, the transmissions may differ.

Lastly, a grain of salt? I would never recommend less that a salt lick. My antennae quiver.


OP, I say drive both and then decide. During my daily commute I barely make it last 3k rpm, so it wouldn't have made much of a difference to me. During my car search, I was set on a 328 manual for its simplicity and likely lower cost of ownership, but came across a well optioned 335i manual and jumped on it.
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This is just outrageous....
No, it's not: you are. Your original statement was just plain wrong, SD corrected your false statements.
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Thanks a lot for all your replies. They definitely helped me gain some insight. Now I have a bit of a dilemma. I have found an 08 335xi which has a negligible price difference from the 09 328xi ($300 less). The 08 335xi has approx. 35,000 miles more than the 09 328xi (but still relatively good at 60,000 miles) and I believe the warranty on the 08 has expired while the 09 still has approx. 10 months of warranty left.

The 335xi has the sports package, premium package, heated seats with memory, and xenon headlights. The 328xi has the navigation package, premium package, cold weather package, Logic 7, HD Radio, Sirius Satellite, iPod Connector, heated stearing wheel, Dakota Leather Upholstery, and Xenon headlights. So the 328xi is more packed and I really do like the benefit of all the electronics included with the 328 mentioned above.

But the 328xi has 300hp that's upgradeable and the sports package which is very attractive. I'm generally not a racer but I would definitely not mind being able to feel the power when I'm on a highway or just on occasion.

However maintenance costs of the 335 compared to the 328 sound unappealing. Based on this information, what, in your opinion, is the better option for me?

PS: As for the test drive - the only car nearby to where I live (300km) is the 328xi which I will be test driving on the weekend so I don't know if and when I will get the chance to test drive the 335. Also, as much as I wish to do a physical inspection and test drive of these cars, it's not possible as they are located in the United States which is quite the trip for me.

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The very thought is absurd. In truth, they are the same engine. One has valvetronic [328i] and the other turbos [335i].

Apples and oranges are, in the final analysis, both fruit.

Some say one if faster than the other, but that is often misinterpretation, depending on the driver and road conditions. Naked truth: Both vehicles sport exactly the same suspension and performance thereof.

One pays more for turbos. Do not be intimidated! Unless you wish to modify, you may not notice a difference. However, engine modification, on a 335i, will result in a much faster car at the cost of its warranty, invalidated.

We are interested in your decision - please post! And keep in mind that statistically, 328i is a more reliable machine.
Ever climb out of a 328 loaner and back into a 335? No difference??Little difference?? I think major difference without any question but then again if driven like the little old lady from Pasadena..Maybe not.O.P. coming out of a Camry will feel as if the 328 is some sort of rocket.Did anyone mention the handling??Connection??
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Ever climb out of a 328 loaner and back into a 335? No difference??Little difference?? I think major difference without any question but then again if driven like the little old lady from Pasadena..Maybe not.O.P. coming out of a Camry will feel as if the 328 is some sort of rocket.Did anyone mention the handling??Connection??
This.

The 02 camry was 162 torque and 157hp... Going 200 and 230 isn't that big of an improvement (going off pure numbers. And while he'll probably feel the quality boost and refinement it won't be like going for an ML320 to a Cayenne Turbo S).


73 and 38 to be exact. Thats less of an upgrade than doing stage 1 to a 335 (it adds 73 and 60)

[none of this accounts for loss this is strictly based on MF numbers]

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Ever climb out of a 328 loaner and back into a 335? No difference??Little difference?? I think major difference without any question but then again if driven like the little old lady from Pasadena..Maybe not.O.P. coming out of a Camry will feel as if the 328 is some sort of rocket.Did anyone mention the handling??Connection??

The big difference: One sports 3 liters emblazened '328i' -- the other same, '335i.'

Handling? The great leveler. It is my duty to report that one goes no better around a corner, or over a bump, than the other.

I believe that the 'difference' in engine performance is due to cognitive dissonance. It's the same old story.....if ya pay more t'suffer with turbos, it's just gotta be better.

Now it is out in the open and 328i owners should say what they knew all along - they drive the better car!


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I'm looking at getting a 09 328xi coupe and I just wanted to know if there is a big difference (other than 0-60mph) in overall driving experience between the 328 and the 335. Right now I have an 02 Camry which has around 157 hp so I think anything will be fast in comparison. I can afford the 328 but the 335 I'd be a bit tight on money. So I'd just like to hear your thoughts.
Avoid the 335. Coming from an '02 Camry, the 328i in any configuration is already a LOT more car than you are accustomed to. Yes, the driving experience is different from the 335i--but not in a way you will readily appreciate, yet. They are both an absolute blast, each in their own way.

You will be grinning ear-to-ear with the 328 and by not over-reaching, you will not cringe at every tiny sign of a mechanical malady.
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Nice trip over the holidays about 300 miles here in Germany, my E91 328XI cruises great around 100mph. The power band is so sweet at 4000 rpm. The way the car tracks and rides so quiet at that speed seems like you going 55mph. I don't need turbos with the extra HP most of the time
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I agree with Zeichen311, I recommended a BMW to some one in the same boat as you. They got a 2009 328xi na dare more than happy with it.

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Personally after 54 years of driving up to & including a front engine dragster I think the "its to much car as compared to what you are used to" is just silly. Any new car will drive differently then the one you are driving now. You just drive it, get used to it then work up to its & your capabilities. Working up a new car is part of the fun of ownership especially the big smile you get after learning something new about the car.

Back to the OP's question. I have both turbo & non turbo 3 series, as Calwaterboy said it's the same basic engine. If you are not interested in 0-60 vs. a 335 you will be very happy with the 328. Its quick, agile & fun to drive. My 2004 has 100K+ miles on it with about $1000+ out of pocket in maintenance expense (I do my own work) not counting tires. Both the newer 3 series are still on the factory deal but nothing outside of oil changes etc. has been done to them even though the 335is has had a modified engine for over 12K miles.

Part of the enjoyment of a car is not worrying about the monthly bill so go with what you can afford & enjoy the ride.
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Personally after 54 years of driving up to & including a front engine dragster I think the "its to much car as compared to what you are used to" is just silly.
Lol when we got our turbo s cayenne a guy at a local BBQ said the same thing cause he had the base S

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And here we go....
Here we go what? I openly admitted the 335i is a possible shop nightmare and gave my impressions of driving plenty of 328i's (I've logged at least 2k miles in them).

Just cause I dislike the car

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Everyone is going to throw numbers at you. But the truth is take them for a drive. Let yourself decide which one is better. If used both will have different options. Try it out for yourself.
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