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Old 01-19-2013, 06:37 AM
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Replacing RFs

I know there's been a lot of discussion on this but I can't take it anymore after 5000 miles. Have narrowed down to Continental Extreme DW or Michelin PSS. Which is best? (This ought to start some healthy discussions, I'm sure).
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Old 01-19-2013, 06:40 AM
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You might be disappointed in the lack of debate since the PSS is very popular around here.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:04 AM
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Michelins, without a doubt. The Contis are not a good match to this car.
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Michelins, without a doubt. The Contis are not a good match to this car.
If I am not mistaken Michelin pss is a summer tire correct? I also looking to replace my RFT but prefer all- season. I realize performance is compromised but which would be the best all season tire for f10 19" with minimal loss of summer performance.

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Old 02-05-2013, 05:50 PM
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I think Michelin makes a Pilot Sport all season tire as well.
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:07 PM
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I think Michelin makes a Pilot Sport all season tire as well.
I found this one in tire rack with good reviews from Michelin, is this the michelin pss that is being recommended here?

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus (Ultra High Performance All-Season)
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I found this one in tire rack with good reviews from Michelin, is this the michelin pss that is being recommended here?

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus (Ultra High Performance All-Season)
That's a good tire.

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Old 02-05-2013, 06:02 PM
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What do u guys think of this

Goodyear Eagle GT (W-Speed Rated) (Ultra High Performance All-Season)

Seems pretty economical with good reviews

http://www.tirerack.com/survey/Surve...um%3D44WR9GTXL
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Old 01-20-2013, 08:11 PM
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i wonder if the new michelin pilot a/s 3 will come in run flats and the 245/40/19 size?
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:27 PM
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So for those that have replaced the RFs with Non RFs on the f10, can you describe the changes noted? Its always hard to compare worn out tires with new ones, so if you replaced early in the life of the RF it would be an even better comparison. I've done this switch on my 335 but that was in the earlier days of RFs when they were really horrible...they seem to have improved some since then. It was nice with my m3 as it came with non RFs so I didn't have to deal with it.
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Old 01-21-2013, 05:49 AM
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Tire Rack is a good source of information. My advice is to be realistic about how you drive the car and what is important in a tire. There are several good tires for the car.
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So for those that have replaced the RFs with Non RFs on the f10, can you describe the changes noted? Its always hard to compare worn out tires with new ones, so if you replaced early in the life of the RF it would be an even better comparison. I've done this switch on my 335 but that was in the earlier days of RFs when they were really horrible...they seem to have improved some since then. It was nice with my m3 as it came with non RFs so I didn't have to deal with it.
Night and day difference. I took my RF's off at 7k miles. Put them back on later and thought, what happened to the ride? Yikes!

Not to mention a severe lack of traction....
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:59 AM
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Night and day difference. I took my RF's off at 7k miles. Put them back on later and thought, what happened to the ride? Yikes!

Not to mention a severe lack of traction....
Interesting, maybe I'll do the same...take these off after 8k or so and save them to put back on at lease turn in time. I bought the tire and wheel insurance package..I wonder if they will cover non RFs...anyone know if that makes a difference?

The RF tires have a stiffer sidewall, so you didn't notice any lack of handling responsiveness after taking them off did you?
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:24 AM
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Interesting, maybe I'll do the same...take these off after 8k or so and save them to put back on at lease turn in time. I bought the tire and wheel insurance package..I wonder if they will cover non RFs...anyone know if that makes a difference?

The RF tires have a stiffer sidewall, so you didn't notice any lack of handling responsiveness after taking them off did you?
My run in with insurance coverage with my E60 was if you went from RF to NRF, they will NOT honor the agreement. Check to see if your agreement is any different then 3 years ago.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:51 AM
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I just replaced mine this morning. I had 500 miles on the RF's. Undeniably better, in every respect. (bridgestone S-04's)
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:15 PM
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:35 AM
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I have the Conti Extreme DW on my E46 and although I think they handle great and are of good value, they have "softish" sidewalls and really feel lumpy until they get up to temp. Also, I think most tire shops have problems getting them properly balanced (they used a ton of weights) for that same reason - unless they have some magical way of heating them up first (maybe wait for summer?)

I have had no problems with the Pirelli PZero RFT's on my F10, but then again I only have 1,000 miles on them.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:44 AM
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OP: Don't know about Michelin PPS but for me the Continental Extreme DWS are a ++.
Easy to find, relatively inexpensive, smooth, quiet, comfortable ride, relatively light weight and moderately sporty handling.

I have about 25K miles on them since I dumped the RF on my wifes e60 528i w/sport pkg. and they still ride and handle like when they were new. I've not experienced some problems with cold running or balance like others but that could be because the the e60 is a heavier, less sensitive car than say, a 3 series. No, they DON'T handle razor sharp like an extreme performance rated runflat or non runflat but I don't think most posters on the F10 forum are looking for that kind of tire either, especially at the Continental's price level.

I'm planning them for my F10 M Sport 19's as well.
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HAHA - I do like an argument for arguments sake...

Yes, but only because I have to replace the OEM with OEM at the end of the lease.
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:22 AM
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Well, went ahead and ordered Michelin PSS from Tire Rack yesterday...should be delivered next week. Any special instructions I need to give the crew at Gateway tire about mounting them...other than don't screw up my wheels?!
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Unless you have previous experience with Gateway or you have their assurances that they can carefully balance your wheels with a calibrated machine, I would consider having the dealer mount them. Yes...it'll cost more at the dealer but they have the right equipment, precise wheel weights, and will do it right without blemishing the wheels. I've had too many experience where independent tire shops hurry through a tire change, thinking that'll impress you, only to have to rebalance several times or, worse yet, find a scuff on the wheel rim from their "touch less" mounting rig. And, invariably the tire jockey will torque your lugs to some "spec" in their book that is not the BMW wheel spec.
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Sam-F10...can't help but notice your F10 550i is nicely optioned and has been modded (Dinan S3 w/ exhaust!) with super car capabilities. Might be way beyond the capabilities of any all season tire available today. Unless you have no intentions of exploiting the limits of your car in S3 tune, you might play it safe with the Michelin PSS...just like BMW did the F10 M5.
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Sam-F10...can't help but notice your F10 550i is nicely optioned and has been modded (Dinan S3 w/ exhaust!) with super car capabilities. Might be way beyond the capabilities of any all season tire available today. Unless you have no intentions of exploiting the limits of your car in S3 tune, you might play it safe with the Michelin PSS...just like BMW did the F10 M5.
Thanks HDEddie1. Does the "PSS" actually stand for Michelin Pilot Super Sports? If so this appears to be a summer tire.

I realize that with summer tire I get added performance but as I am on east coast and hence prefer to stick to one set of tires ( all-season )

But I do a bit of track / autocross events, in fact I did these with my OEM Good year LS2s and they were not bad. This is probably why they wore out in 22k miles ... The reason why I stuck with LS2 is because I have the tire and wheel warranty but as BMW seems to have fixed the bubble issue I am thinking maybe I may not use this warranty anymore and why still stick with RFT.

Few basic questions I have on non-RFT, pls pitch in

- Since I still have stock suspension, if I switch to non-RFT will the ride become more cushy and if so can I negate it by keeping +2 psi tire pressure maybe?

- If I was constrained to pick all-season which tire would you guys recommend?
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Sam-F10, Yes...The Michelin PSS are the Pilot Super Sport OEM tire for the F10 M5 and yes, a "maximum" summer performance tire. That you have an all season requirement, then the Pilot A/S is an all season performance tire would be an excellent choice, from what I've read. The tire rack reviews/surveys support these tire choices as well. I doubt if either tire would be "cushy" and on track days you'd want to run additional PSI+ nevertheless.
I've not tracked my F10 nor have either Michelin tire yet so other posters with specific experience might lend some insight.
BTW...I'm really surprised to hear that you had relative success and long life out of the OEM Goodyears as many posters on this forum have suffered the bubble failure. Even more impressive is that you're able to track the car with stock suspension rather than some race specific upgrade (ie coil overs, adjustable shocks, M5 sway bars, etc).
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