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Old 01-26-2013, 07:16 PM
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Question Good 335i tune?

So I'm looking for a tune for my 11' 335i. I'm between ESS, Cobb, and the JB4. Right now I'm leaning JB4 because of the great reviews and price.

I was hoping to get some opinions on any of the tunes and what you guys would recommend. So if you have any experience with them I'd love to know. If anyone has anything else they'd recommend I'm open to hear that too.

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JB4 is probably the best, personally I like the idea of cobb (even though I have dinan) because you just plug it into the odb2 and let it do its thing.
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Do you know the difference between the JB4 and Cobb? I feel like they both have maps you can chose from so they're pretty similar.
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Do you know the difference between the JB4 and Cobb? I feel like they both have maps you can chose from so they're pretty similar.

I like my JB4 Meth map + integrated meth hardware.

Does Cobb have that?

I like switching maps and/or going back to stock map at the press of a steering wheel button, even if driving.

Does Cobb have that?

Etc.

Procede used to be the only competition worth mention - what happened there?

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Besides being overpriced it was mostly due to customer service going into the toilet. Case study of one time industry leader tanking.
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Besides being overpriced it was mostly due to customer service going into the toilet. Case study of one time industry leader tanking.

So Cobb took their place -- having no added hardware to detect by BMW dealers sets it apart.

But the rest of the story is a list of disadvantages vs JB4. Cobb's deep access software is $3,000....in addition.

What's the cost of Cobb hand held OBDII unit replacement? Misplaced or 'borrowed,' that's one big matzah hangin' in the wind.
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I like my JB4 Meth map + integrated meth hardware.

Does Cobb have that?

I like switching maps and/or going back to stock map at the press of a steering wheel button, even if driving.

Does Cobb have that?

Etc.

Procede used to be the only competition worth mention - what happened there?

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Wtf is a meth map?

ECU kind of ****?
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Wtf is a meth map?

ECU kind of ****?
Methanol injection.
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Wtf is a meth map?

ECU kind of ****?

Methanol map. Use of Meth dramatically increases octane....so increases ignition advance enabling much power. That's somewhere substantially North of 400 hp and far more importantly, just as many ft lb torque.

It is sweet indeed! Unfortunately Cobb & Dinan do not have the capability.

The 50/50 Meth:Water charge also cools compressed intake air. Check on that - pretty good benefit. Injected just upstream of the intake, unevap'ed water droplets would also increase cyl pressure on ignition as well as consuming heat o'vaporization, a boon to those heavy of foot.
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I like my JB4 Meth map + integrated meth hardware.
Does Cobb have that?

I like switching maps and/or going back to stock map at the press of a steering wheel button, even if driving.

Does Cobb have that?

Etc.

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Not having to open the hood and unplug/plug in sensors - does JB4 have that?

Tuning using only the OBD II port - does JB4 have that?


I run the JB4 and like it but you JB4 fanboys oversimplify the comparison and do a disservice to the people asking when you post responses like the one above. You must open the hood and frig with the sensors to hook up a piggyback tune like the JB4. And if you are under warranty, you have to remove it and then reinstall each time you take it to the dealer. Not everyone is comfortable opening the hood and messing with engine sensors. Some people prefer the simplicity of plugging into the OBD II port to make changes. Everyone has a different comfort level when it comes to friggin with their car. Keep in mind that this isn't an $8k Hyundai we are talking about - the 335i is an expensive car and not everyone wants to take the risk of playing around with the engine.

I replaced the interior lights with LEDs and replaced the speakers with aftermarket speakers, so its not like I am afraid to do some work on the car, but modifying the lights or the audio is completely different from installing a piggyback tune for the engine.

Overall, I am happy with my JB4, but I was not comfortable with having to install it. Cobb AP is a much more elegant solution.

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Guys, I believe OP has N55 not N54 engine, all mods so far produce far less increase in HP/Torque. Cobb only promise 11% and 18% HP and torque respectively; gone the day of 50HP+ gain ala in N54 with a single tune. N55 proves to be more resistant to tune.
I'll say wait until someone crack the gate open.

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Guys, I believe OP has N55 not N54 engine, all mods so far produce far less increase in HP/Torque. Cobb only promise 11% and 18% HP and torque respectively; gone the day of 50HP+ gain ala in N54 with a single tune. N55 proves to be more resistant to tune.
I'll say wait until someone crack the gate open.

Haven't paid much attention, but a glance at the JB4's N55 Page shows the larger gains are there.
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Both the JB4 N55 and COBB are great choices. It ultimately comes down to what you're looking to do. The JB4 is a piggy back where as the COBB is a flash tuner. The Cobb is much easier to install and to most, it is considered to be more user friendly. You also get free updates for life and all updates can be downloaded straight to your handheld unit from your PC/Mac. JB units will always require hardware upgrades which do cost more money (ie. JB4 stage 1 to stage 2 or JB3 to JB4).

Cobb N55 stage 1 Peak Gains
Aggressive: 11%HP / 25%TQ
Sport: 3%HP / 14%TQ

Cobb N55 stage 1 Max Gains
Aggressive: 18%HP / 26%TQ @3200
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JB4 N55:
up to 60hp to the wheels (80hp crank) on a completely stock car or up to 100hp to the wheels (120hp crank) on a fully modified car
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Both the JB4 N55 and COBB are great choices. It ultimately comes down to what you're looking to do. The JB4 is a piggy back where as the COBB is a flash tuner. The Cobb is much easier to install and to most, it is considered to be more user friendly. You also get free updates for life and all updates can be downloaded straight to your handheld unit from your PC/Mac. JB units will always require hardware upgrades which do cost more money (ie. JB4 stage 1 to stage 2 or JB3 to JB4).

I update my JB4 firmware with a laptop & USB cable - updates are downloadable, no charge.
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I update my JB4 firmware with a laptop & USB cable - updates are downloadable, no charge.
Software upgrades are free and downloadable via the USB data logging cable. However, hardware upgrades are not. For example, the G5 board that just came out for the JB4 is something you'd have to purchase and is not something you can download. Also, if you have a JB3 and want to upgrade to the JB4, there are additional hardware and costs.
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Software upgrades are free and downloadable via the USB data logging cable. However, hardware upgrades are not. For example, the G5 board that just came out for the JB4 is something you'd have to purchase and is not something you can download. Also, if you have a JB3 and want to upgrade to the JB4, there are additional hardware and costs.

Now then, Mr. Vendor, you have to ask yourself one question: Why G5?

Detailed investigation will reveal interesting capability.

Curious about one item - what does Cobb do with CAN bus comm?
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Both the JB4 N55 and COBB are great choices. It ultimately comes down to what you're looking to do. The JB4 is a piggy back where as the COBB is a flash tuner. The Cobb is much easier to install and to most, it is considered to be more user friendly. You also get free updates for life and all updates can be downloaded straight to your handheld unit from your PC/Mac. JB units will always require hardware upgrades which do cost more money (ie. JB4 stage 1 to stage 2 or JB3 to JB4).

Cobb N55 stage 1 Peak Gains
Aggressive: 11%HP / 25%TQ
Sport: 3%HP / 14%TQ

Cobb N55 stage 1 Max Gains
Aggressive: 18%HP / 26%TQ @3200
Sport: 10%HP / 14%TQ @3200

JB4 N55:
up to 60hp to the wheels (80hp crank) on a completely stock car or up to 100hp to the wheels (120hp crank) on a fully modified car

Oh, what the hell!
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Oh, what the hell!
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Stg3: 373HP /408 TQ at crank
Stg2: 355HP / 401TQ at crank

Minus 15% to get on the same page as all the other tunes.
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Minus 15% to get on the same page as all the other tunes.
Like I said, at the crank.
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Like I said, at the crank.
I know that, you know that but other readers might not know that. Had a multipage thread with a Dinan user before he understood the difference.

Since all the aftermarket tuners use WHP as the industry standard many people think Dinan is a much stronger tune than it really is.

The Dinan advertising is a bit misleading to those who do not understand WHP vs BHP/CHP
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COBB is an easier install but so far its not producing what JB4 does horsepower wise nor does it have the in-car features of the JB4. That's a trade off only the final user can put a price on. In my case 1/2 hour work was not a reason to go to a flash tune. As for upgrades I went from a JB4 to a JB4 G5 for a combined cost that is less then the initial purchase price of a COBB.

There has only been AFAIK 3 versions JB3, JB4 & JB4/G5. There have been many many free updates to both firmware & software. You can still get free firmware/software updates for all the versions so they are not obsoleting them just enhancing the features.

Thing you really need to think about on retail vendors recommendation is who has the most to gain buy advising the purchase of a more expensive product. As we all have said before they are both good systems designed for different user requirements. Personally I do not believe that some one who can't install a piggy back should be doing any modification to their cars, but that's just me.

A few this left out of the post above:

Over 15,000 in use and tens of millions of customer miles driven.

Features: code reading/deleting, optional in dash boost, timing, air/fuel, shift light, and IAT gauges, autotuning, a buttery smooth new CANbus based integrated boost control system, optional isolated boost control, map switching on the fly via steering wheel controls, built in downpipe fix, hot/cold oil temperature protection, progressive methanol integration, water pump remapping, gear dependent boost control/traction assist, and much more to come with free firmware updates uploaded using a windows laptop (or mac w/ windows emulator) and BMS USB cable. For those who have access to E85 (ethanol) fuels the JB4 will automatically tune itself for them yielding huge power gains over pump gas alone. In addition a speed limit defeat, manual transmission 2STEP rev limiter, and manual transmission no lift shifting can be enabled by adding in an extra harness.
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^^^ No debate here you are entitled to you opinion.

IMHO Dinan is an expensive insurance policy with a mediocre performance package attached. I know a lot of people are happy paying the freight to feel comfortable, nothing wrong with that. Others who are familiar with performance enhancements don't want to pay $5300 to Dinan for 38whp less than can be purchased for $500 from other vendors who are not in the insurance business.

I can't speak to other peoples motives but I do know for the difference between the Dinan $5300 & BMS $500 I could buy a set of high performance turbos to replace blown stock units & most likely get change back.
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