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Old 01-29-2013, 02:12 PM
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What does perfection look like?



It looks like the product of depth and precision from both man and machine with the BMW Quality Management. You think you're detail-oriented? Well when you're finished straightening your tie, check out the attention that each and every nut and bolt of every BMW manufactured receives throughout the assembly lines. You're going to want to floss after. Maybe iron the curtains too. Just trust me.
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:51 PM
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It looks like the product of depth and precision from both man and machine with the BMW Quality Management. You think you're detail-oriented? Well when you're finished straightening your tie, check out the attention that each and every nut and bolt of every BMW manufactured receives throughout the assembly lines. You're going to want to floss after. Maybe iron the curtains too. Just trust me.
With all due respect, this is more of a marketing tool than anything else.

I like my BMWs for its driving dynamics, but quality control has never been its strong suit. When we are told orange peel effect on the paint job is "normal", it undoes its marketing words like "perfection".
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For the sake of honesty, I should probably mention that my new estoril blue M sport 328i from S. Africa has a 2" paint run on the trunk lid. It's above the license plate. I guess their perfection crew missed that. Body panel fit is ok. Not great. I agree another poster. Driving dynamics is why to buy a BMW. If you want perfection, look at Lexus, Acura, Audi, and maybe Porsche? Ofcourse all of those brands except Porsche and maybe the S series Audi's represent boring to me.
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:42 PM
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I have two BMWs and don't really have issues with the build quality but it is no better than many other cars I have owned. The most solid feeling car I ever owned was my 1992 Lexus SC300. That car felt like it was carved out of a solid block of steel. Closing the hood felt like you were closing the door of a vault. The worst build quality was my 1969 Firebird 400. I remember a commercial a few years back where they put a Lexus on a giant rotisserie like device and ran a ball bearing around the door to show how consistent the width of the door seams was. My Firebird not only would have failed the ball bearing test it would have failed a bowling ball test. Since the Firebird days I had a Honda Accord and an Acura Integra (both very good build quality) several Jaguars (most recently an XKR - very good build quality and fit and finish and extremely high quality material in the interior) the Lexus. I now have a 335i and a 750Li. Both are solid well built cars but far from "perfection". I have to give credit where credit is due and the 335i Cabrio has remained rattle free in spite of the punishment it took on NYC roads while it was equipped with OEM shock absorbers and RFTs.

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After a year and a half my car is still tighter than a nun's behind.
My 335i is at 6 years and 45,000 miles and is still rattle free, which is more that I can say about it when it was new. It had an annoying dash rattle when it was new that drove me crazy. I read somewhere that if something gets into the air vents under the front seats you will hear the rattle coming out of the dashboard vents. I vacuumed the vents under the seats and the rattle went away. There is very little tire noise with the Conti DWS tires and very little wind noise which I attribute to the lack of B pillars on the cabrio. It does not have the bank vault feel that my Lexus Coupe had (but from what I have heard the new Lexus models don't have that quality anymore) but the car is very solid after getting beat up on NYC roads for 6 years. The 750 is only a bit over 2 years old but that car (RFTs and all) is completely oblivious to NYC potholes when it is in Comfort Plus mode. In Sport Plus modes the shifts become more agressive, the steering tightens up and I swear to God the car becomes 18" shorter and 500 pounds lighter.

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After a year and a half my car is still tighter than a nun's behind.
Depending on this nun's diet, bowel movements, and even love life, this could go both ways.

My car came with a weird unfinished part around the window (weather stripping?). The service manager is supposedly ordering a new part to replace it. Other than that, she's as solid as a nun's behind!

Making 1000 cars a day is amazing considering how much is involved.
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After a year and a half my car is still tighter than a nun's behind.
That's not necessarily a good metric
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or this

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Old 01-30-2013, 12:51 PM
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Perfection



or this



or this

Nice Brequet, how about this



or this?



or this



or this



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or this?



or this



or this



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Old 02-01-2013, 01:31 PM
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Nice Brequet, how about this

or this ...
The Rolex looks like an overpriced Timex. Now the Omega is a different story
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The Rolex looks like an overpriced Timex. Now the Omega is a different story
The Japanese and Chinese make digital watches for people like you.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:54 PM
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Say what you like, but I don't like this:



But I do like this one:



And I wore my fathers for a very long time, that kind of looked like this one, but with a SS strap and without the yellowed dial.



I just don't like these colorful and funky chrono dials.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:23 PM
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That's because you have probably seen something like this.



The sub is the single most copied and counterfeited watch out there for good reason. They didn't appeal to me much until I tried one on.



Definitely one of my favourites!
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That's because you have probably seen something like this.



The sub is the single most copied and counterfeited watch out there for good reason. They didn't appeal to me much until I tried one on.



Definitely one of my favourites!
It's a great everyday watch that can take it.
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Definitely one of my favourites!


First off, great photography chiba. Well done.

My Rolex Datejust Turnograph is my change-of-pace watch. White dial, red accents, jubilee bracelet, it's for when I'm at a black-tie event, want to dress it up a bit. One of these and a Sub Date and it covers about 90% of all occasions.

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Indeed perfection is not the word to use, but In my eyes it looks to have gotten better than before. Is the quality they're talking about the way the car is sitting on the lot, or perhaps 1 to 2 years down the road? I agree Lexus overall quality is better for a longer time. My X5 is peeling and separating itself on purpose. It's holding up pretty good for an 11 year old though. My E60 is doing much better and looks like it would last much longer. So it looks to be getting better over the years, but perfection is far away because even Lexus wouldn't admit they're perfect.
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