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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 02-01-2013, 11:57 AM
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January 2013 segment sales numbers

MB C Class: 7,214
BMW 3 Series: 4,831
Audi A4/5: 3,955
Infiniti G: 2,815
Cadillac ATS: 2,781
Acura TSX: 1,806
Lexus IS: 1,386

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C class is killing it.
I saw 2 brand new (temporary tags) C Class Mercedes today when I was out and about.
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C class is killing it.
Yeah, as soon as BJ opened his mouth in some publication. Just wait till he sees the new CLAs during Super Bowl have at it with Kate

BMW needs to bring us the new 2 series sedan ASAP, and get Kate to come over.

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BMW needs to bring us the new 2 series sedan ASAP, and get Kate to come over.
How will a "2" series sedan increase "3" series sales?
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How will a "2" series sedan increase "3" series sales?
I believe even # series are mostly reserved for coupe, cabriolet & GC. The sedan or saloon shall remain under odd series.
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How will a "2" series sedan increase "3" series sales?
They will still lump the sales of the 2 and 3 together methinks.

What is occurring now is no different than what happened in 2006 when BMW transitioned the coupe and convertible after the sedan. Customers see the new body style sedan, know that the new body style isn't available yet for the others in the series, they don't want to drive an old car, so they wait.

We covered this ground in past threads, there's nothing to talk about here. The ATS, however, is now proven to be an utter failure.

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Yeah, as soon as BJ opened his mouth in some publication. Just wait till he sees the new CLAs during Super Bowl have at it with Kate

BMW needs to bring us the new 2 series sedan ASAP, and get Kate to come over.

Sourced from all manufactures' reports.
TSX is not in the same class as the rest. Acura does not target the 3 series.
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How will a "2" series sedan increase "3" series sales?
Cuz Kate won't be aroused by the bigger 3 series designed for BJ, who is getting older and wider.
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Cuz Kate won't be aroused by the bigger 3 series designed for BJ, who is getting older and wider.
But at least his wrists have been spared the widening fat.
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Not surprised. Every other car I see on the road is a C300.
There are mostly C250 bare bone 1.8L 4 banger down here.
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Not surprised. Every other car I see on the road is a C300.
What helped MB is the C250. This is why the new CLA could be a greater threat.

Maybe calling the 2 Series a sedan is against the naming convention, let's call it 2 Series 4-door coupe.
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Here is how 90% of buyers of these cars answer when asked about what makes their cars great.

- "It's a BMW!"
- "Meaning?"
- "It drives like a BMW"
- "Meaning?"


- "It's a Benz"
- ....


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Here is how 90% of buyers of these cars answer when asked about what makes their cars great.

- "It's a BMW!"
- "Meaning?"
- "It drives like a BMW"
- "Meaning?"


- "It's a Benz"
- ....


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It drives like BMWs used to!
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Here is how 90% of buyers of these cars answer when asked about what makes their cars great.

- "It's a BMW!"
- "Meaning?"
- "It drives like a BMW"
- "Meaning?"


- "It's a Benz"
- ....


Those are the most common and best explanations you will hear about what makes these cars great.
It's a Benz.
Meaning?
The door shut sounds like a Benz.

It's an Audi.
Meaning?
It looks like an Audi.

It's an ATS.
Meaning?
It's not a Cadillac anymore.
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What helped MB is the C250. This is why the new CLA could be a greater threat.

Maybe calling the 2 Series a sedan is against the naming convention, let's call it 2 Series 4-door coupe.
This is why BMW brought the 320i. It might not make too much sense to me, but it can square off with the C250....
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The Mercedes C250 starts at $35,300 and the 320i starts at $32,500. Personally, I'll let everyone else keep all the luxury and tech options. If budget is an issue, the 328i with it's rear wheel drive and 240hp engine for $37k is plenty loaded. Also, after driving my new M sport, there is no way this engine isn't putting out closer 270hp. From 20 to 100mph it feels like 300hp in a non turbo car. Test drive one and you'll agree.




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The Mercedes C250 starts at $35,300 and the 320i starts at $32,500. Personally, I'll let everyone else keep all the luxury and tech options. If budget is an issue, the 328i with it's rear wheel drive and 240hp engine for $37k is plenty loaded. Also, after driving my new M sport, there is no way this engine isn't putting out closer 270hp. From 20 to 100mph it feels like 300hp in a non turbo car. Test drive one and you'll agree.
The N20 engine does put out around 260-270 hp at the crank. It "feels" fast because it has a lot more torque than small NA engines. Ever heard the saying that you pay for the horsepower but drive the torque? That is what you are experiencing. On the other hand, torque does not = faster acceleration. If you look at the E90 330 and F30 328 for example. They both roughly have the same power at the crank (N20 will probably have around 5-10 more) but the 330 puts out much less torque. The straight line acceleration numbers between the 2 are nearly identical. Both engines have a very nice torque curve as well.

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Not too surprising, the C250/350 looks better than the F30 and MB has more status and a better reputation in the US.

Wouldn't buy one myself, it's a car for older folk. CLA on the other hand looks awesome.

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They will still lump the sales of the 2 and 3 together methinks.

What is occurring now is no different than what happened in 2006 when BMW transitioned the coupe and convertible after the sedan. Customers see the new body style sedan, know that the new body style isn't available yet for the others in the series, they don't want to drive an old car, so they wait.

We covered this ground in past threads, there's nothing to talk about here. The ATS, however, is now proven to be an utter failure.

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I knew sooner or later you would come up with a reason, but it took awhile because supply is no longer an excuse, and 4,800 is about the lowest monthly in the 3 series past several years history.

Although I hardly think ATS hit it out of the park, but nearly 3k with only a sedan version to show for, in its 4th month since inception, no coupe, no convertible and no wagon, an utter failure? It sold more than Audi A4. Is Audi A4 an utter failure?
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I knew sooner or later you would come up with a reason, but it took awhile because supply is no longer an excuse, and 4,800 is about the lowest monthly in the 3 series past several years history.

Although I hardly think ATS hit it out of the park, but nearly 3k with only a sedan version to show for, in its 4th month since inception, no coupe, no convertible and no wagon, an utter failure? It sold more than Audi A4. Is Audi A4 an utter failure?
There's more-of-same going on here, no new-news.

Mercedes woke up, invested effort in making the C a non-boring and aesthetically hot looking car, and took away E90 sales, now hitting F30 too no doubt. I don't look at that as a BMW failure; I look at that as MB waking up from a coma and washing the stupid off its face. BMW stole MB sales for a decade, they woke up, took it back. Nothing BMW can do about a competitor deciding to not be stupid anymore.

If we're looking for commonalities, during both the E90 and F30 transitions, in the first 9-12 months the 3 Series had three consecutive quarters of sales drop with two of them in double digits, the Coupe/Vert/Wagon nosediving badly in anticipation of a new bodystyle. We discussed this months ago, I did a ton of research into 2005-2008 BMW sales reports:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=91

This was the quote from the E90's 13 month point which is approximately where we are right now with the F30 lifespan (note this is a quarterly report for March/April/May, not a single month like January):

"The sales volume figures for the BMW 3 Series Coupé and of the BMW 3 Series Convertible were lower than in the previous year as a result of life-cycle factors. 11,401 units of the BMW 3 Series Coupé were sold, (35.4)% fewer than in the same period last year.

The BMW 3 Series Coupé model change will take place in September 2006. With 13,838 units sold, the sales volume of the BMW 3 Series Convertible was (22.7)%
lower than one year earlier
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There's more-of-same going on here, no new-news.

Mercedes woke up, invested effort in making the C a non-boring and aesthetically hot looking car, and took away E90 sales, now hitting F30 too no doubt. I don't look at that as a BMW failure; I look at that as MB waking up from a coma and washing the stupid off its face. BMW stole MB sales for a decade, they woke up, took it back. Nothing BMW can do about a competitor deciding to not be stupid anymore.

If we're looking for commonalities, during both the E90 and F30 transitions, in the first 9-12 months the 3 Series had three consecutive quarters of sales drop with two of them in double digits, the Coupe/Vert/Wagon nosediving badly in anticipation of a new bodystyle. We discussed this months ago, I did a ton of research into 2005-2008 BMW sales reports:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=91

This was the quote from the E90's 13 month point which is approximately where we are right now with the F30 lifespan (note this is a quarterly report for March/April/May, not a single month like January):

"The sales volume figures for the BMW 3 Series Coupé and of the BMW 3 Series Convertible were lower than in the previous year as a result of life-cycle factors. 11,401 units of the BMW 3 Series Coupé were sold, (35.4)% fewer than in the same period last year.

The BMW 3 Series Coupé model change will take place in September 2006. With 13,838 units sold, the sales volume of the BMW 3 Series Convertible was (22.7)%
lower than one year earlier
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BMW is losing at its own game.
No. In the F30, BMW has created the greatest 3 Series ever. They've done their job.

Mercedes Benz completely dropped the ball for a decade, the 2000's featuring some of the most pedestrian and matronly looking C Class cars ever. It was to BMW's benefit, clear runway, took full advantage.

In the current C Class, Mercedes woke up and took the segment seriously. As such, they grew their market share very easily and it is at BMW's expense. Again, nothing BMW could do to prevent MB from taking stupid pills for another decade. The clear runway that BMW had in the 00's is now incremental growth for MB in the 10's. The segment is being right-sized.

BMW's job was to create a compelling 3 Series for the next 7 years. In the F30 and new F32 they've more than achieved that goal.

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