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Old 02-04-2013, 12:57 PM
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535 vs 335

Hi all,

New member here looking to make the jump from my 2004 Accord.

I live in the city, and while I don't plan on parking my new BMW on the street often, it's going to have to happen every now and then. That said, I like the trunk space and back seat room I currently have.

I have a hard time comparing things, but basically I'd like to maintain the level of trunk space/rear seat space and not have a larger car to park.

2004 Accord Dimensions are:
Length 189.5
Width 71.5
Wheel base 107.9

How do the 535 and 335 compare? The 535 felt big when I test drove it, but I don't want to go too small.

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Old 02-04-2013, 12:59 PM
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:34 PM
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Hi all,

New member here looking to make the jump from my 2004 Accord.

I live in the city, and while I don't plan on parking my new BMW on the street often, it's going to have to happen every now and then. That said, I like the trunk space and back seat room I currently have.

I have a hard time comparing things, but basically I'd like to maintain the level of trunk space/rear seat space and not have a larger car to park.

2004 Accord Dimensions are:
Length 189.5
Width 71.5
Wheel base 107.9

How do the 535 and 335 compare? The 535 felt big when I test drove it, but I don't want to go too small.

Thoughts?

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I have an F30 335, and a 2003 Accord LX. I think the Accord has more trunk space (not by much but noticeable).

When it comes to leg room (I know you didn't ask): The rear of the Honda is much more spacious IMO.
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Old 02-04-2013, 02:39 PM
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I have an F30... my two previous cars were a 2006 Accord sedan and E92 M3.

The F30 is very similar size to the 7th gen Accord. Interior seems almost the same to me. The F30 is about 9inches shorter overall length, but I think it's just due to shorter overhangs.

The F10 is bigger all around, and feels that way when driving it. And the rear seat room does not feel substantially bigger than the F30, IMO.
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Old 02-04-2013, 03:15 PM
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The oldest Accord I could find comparison numbers for is the 2008 model.



I had an '03 Accord. Sure the back seat folded down to supposedly expand trunk space when needed, but there was so much sheet metal behind it, with such a small opening cut out, that it was useless for hauling many things. I think the new 3er does a better job with that. The new 5er is a luxurious barge. The 3er is a lot more nimble, a lot more fun to drive.
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Wheelbase Sedan: 107.9 in (2,741 mm)
Coupe: 105.1 in (2,670 mm)
Length 200305 Sedan: 189.5 in (4,813 mm)
200305 Coupe: 187.6 in (4,765 mm)
200607 Sedan: 191.1 in (4,854 mm)
200607 Coupe: 187.8 in (4,770 mm)
Width 200305 Sedan: 71.5 in (1,816 mm)
200607 Sedan: 71.6 in (1,819 mm)
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2005 Hybrid: 71.4 in (1,814 mm)
2006-07 Hybrid: 71.7 in (1,821 mm)
Height 200305 Sedan: 57.1 in (1,450 mm)
200607 Sedan: 57.2 in (1,453 mm)
200607 V6 Sedan: 57.3 in (1,455 mm)
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Just went for a test drive with a friend who was considering leasing a 535i. Besides the fact that the dealer was completely inept and treated us like we were 16 just learning how to drive, the car was a let down. My friend summed it felt like her Mother's Buick and I could not disagree with her. I normally advocate for BMW but in this case I could not. We did not want to spend any more time with the sales guy so we did not even drive the 3 series, but the 535i test drive was a total disapointment.
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Just went for a test drive with a friend who was considering leasing a 535i. Besides the fact that the dealer was completely inept and treated us like we were 16 just learning how to drive, the car was a let down. My friend summed it felt like her Mother's Buick and I could not disagree with her. I normally advocate for BMW but in this case I could not. We did not want to spend any more time with the sales guy so we did not even drive the 3 series, but the 535i test drive was a total disapointment.
The 5 is a very nice car. It's big, heavy, and luxurious. Sporty, not so much anymore. Without the sport suspension, it is the German version of a Buick. It weighs as much as the wife's Toyota minivan (2006).
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It looks like the 3er has a "win" for driver and front passenger space!
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Some specs here:
Accord length: 189 inches
F30 3 series: 182 inches
F10 5 series: 193 inches

Really it's just depends if you want a smaller sportier car or a bigger more luxurious car.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:27 AM
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Sit in both of them. Look at the trunk space. The F30 and the E90 have much better trunk space than you would think. I always liked the 3 series before the E90 came out, but I also thought they were a little too small and never got one because of that.

The 535 is really nice. I love it, but I got 2 kids going to college, so it's hard for me to cost justify it. Plus, like others have said, there is no doubt the 3 is a better driver enthusiast car than the 5. Also, when you sit in the front and back seats, it's really hard to notice any significant difference in space. In the old days, when you sat in an E36 or an E46, there was no doubt you were in a tiny car.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:28 AM
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Thanks for all the info!

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Old 02-06-2013, 06:36 PM
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I'll just post up what I did on the the F10 board post, lol.:

I absolutely loved the F30 328i when I drove it. Thought it felt like the best "Small Sport Sedan" I've ever driven.

IMO the relationship between the F10 and F30 is great, at least if you're someone who is okay with BMW's move to more luxurious endeavors. The 3 has refined up a bit, but is noticeable less "occasional", less elegant and sophisticated, less curvaceous as the 5. It's a little more angular, squared, and has a more fussy "immature" nose, which is appropriate for it in relation to the 5.

The interior of the 3 is nice, but when you go from it into a 5, you instantly feel the extra airiness, the much more expensive, "sense of occasion" atmosphere, the plusher experience, etc. Again, appropriate between the two (purist buyers of each might not want the effects of the siblings in their cars).

The F30 feels very lively to me, very fun, though the F10 does as well. I think if you want pure sport with enough luxury to meet ends meet, the F30 is the car for you. If you want an ultimately refined Luxury Car with enough sport to make ends meet, the F10 will do the trick better. Of course, space is another objective factor.

IMO BMW has nailed it with the F30 and F10. And IMO the F10's move to more luxury made more sense once the F30 came out.
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You should use kbb compare car feature. It lists all the sizes for the trunk, leg room, head room, etc.
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K-A's sentiments about the 3 vs 5 express many of my observations. I was inclined to be a 5 buyer at first, coming from a MBZ 300E, and used to mid size lux 6 banger. But when I hit the dealership and saw the F30s in person I said WTF! Began test driving 535s and fell in love with roomy cabin but drove 328 to compare. Couldn't fathom a 4 banger performing like that, and I owned a 16V 1984 MBZ 190E manual.

The F30 cabin looks like a cut and paste designed by committee job compared the the cabin of the F10 which appears finely crafted, fitted, and engineered, IMO. But I was sold on 4 cylinder and so apparently was BMW. They thought enough of it to power the 528i.

Long story short, I slowly shifted to favoring the 3 once I discovered the M Sport package available with the options I wanted. Bottom like is I'd be pleased to drive either.
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The F30 cabin looks like a cut and paste designed by committee job compared the the cabin of the F10 which appears finely crafted, fitted, and engineered, IMO.
I agree.

But I just couldn't cost justify the 5 over the 3. The 3 is perfect for me. Plus, I like the sportiness of the 3 anyway.

It's not like I'm suffering or anything...
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I agree.

But I just couldn't cost justify the 5 over the 3. The 3 is perfect for me. Plus, I like the sportiness of the 3 anyway.

It's not like I'm suffering or anything...
I'm with you! BMW offers so many trims, packages, and options -- interior, exterior, and engine -- that it's easy to create the configuration of your dreams.

What I don't get is leatherette, and I dig vegan.
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I'm with you! BMW offers so many trims, packages, and options -- interior, exterior, and engine -- that it's easy to create the configuration of your dreams.
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Except if you're looking for a 3 pedal version of a 328i xdrive or upcoming 328d xdrive. As one of the old crusties that's had 10 BMW's with a stick shift, I'm disapointed at the proliferation of the auto only models. Starting to seriously look at Audi for my next car
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Except if you're looking for a 3 pedal version of a 328i xdrive or upcoming 328d xdrive. As one of the old crusties that's had 10 BMW's with a stick shift, I'm disapointed at the proliferation of the auto only models. Starting to seriously look at Audi for my next car
What makes you think Audi is so much better at offering manuals compared to BMW? It's industry wide at this point, the killing off of the manual.
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K-A's sentiments about the 3 vs 5 express many of my observations. I was inclined to be a 5 buyer at first, coming from a MBZ 300E, and used to mid size lux 6 banger. But when I hit the dealership and saw the F30s in person I said WTF! Began test driving 535s and fell in love with roomy cabin but drove 328 to compare. Couldn't fathom a 4 banger performing like that, and I owned a 16V 1984 MBZ 190E manual.

The F30 cabin looks like a cut and paste designed by committee job compared the the cabin of the F10 which appears finely crafted, fitted, and engineered, IMO. But I was sold on 4 cylinder and so apparently was BMW. They thought enough of it to power the 528i.

Long story short, I slowly shifted to favoring the 3 once I discovered the M Sport package available with the options I wanted. Bottom like is I'd be pleased to drive either.
No doubt the F10 interior is gorgeous. I fell in love with the car "on paper" and after sitting in it. Unfortunately within 5 minutes of driving I knew I could never own such a car. Totally numb, big/heavy, and about as sporty as a Buick LeSabre. Sorry F10 guys, a 528i/535i is not a "fun" car to drive, when you're used to sporty BMWs.

My AH3 has a sticker of $65K, but the interior looks like a $35K car, to me. Yeah, that sucks. But it drives like a dream (especially in Sport Mode), and has every technical gizmo that a $65K 535i has. So basically I give up nice quality on the inside, for a more enjoyable driving experience. You can absolutely have both, but that is a $100K M5, and out of my budget
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No doubt the F10 interior is gorgeous. I fell in love with the car "on paper" and after sitting in it. Unfortunately within 5 minutes of driving I knew I could never own such a car. Totally numb, big/heavy, and about as sporty as a Buick LeSabre. Sorry F10 guys, a 528i/535i is not a "fun" car to drive, when you're used to sporty BMWs.

My AH3 has a sticker of $65K, but the interior looks like a $35K car, to me. Yeah, that sucks. But it drives like a dream (especially in Sport Mode), and has every technical gizmo that a $65K 535i has. So basically I give up nice quality on the inside, for a more enjoyable driving experience. You can absolutely have both, but that is a $100K M5, and out of my budget
Agree totally. I thought I would get a 5 for sure. Though I really liked the 3 the 5 had 440HP!

The interior is quite impressive and I like the center console much better than the 3 without the hand brake. But it works on the 3 and it works on the 5. I too found the driving experience totally numb. Showing with 480 ft lbs never was so blah.

I think the back end of 3 and 5 are the worst part of these designs but especially so on the 5.

With very similar interior space in both and 700+ less pounds, the 3 just made more sense for me.
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Agree totally. I thought I would get a 5 for sure. Though I really liked the 3 the 5 had 440HP!

The interior is quite impressive and I like the center console much better than the 3 without the hand brake. But it works on the 3 and it works on the 5. I too found the driving experience totally numb. Showing with 480 ft lbs never was so blah.

I think the back end of 3 and 5 are the worst part of these designs but especially so on the 5.

With very similar interior space in both and 700+ less pounds, the 3 just made more sense for me.
Wow, that's interesting. I think the BMW rear design language is the best on the market right now, and IMO the F10 with M Sport Package has one of the nicest butts out there, lol.

The 2013 M Sport Package F10's come with a non-adaptive, "steel" suspension that sits lower and is a bit sportier than the adaptive suspensions on all other F10's. It's still cushy, but to someone like me who seeks luxury first and then sportiness a fairly close second, it balances the F10's driving dynamics out a bit better, to me at least.

As for the F10's interior, I agree with everyone. I think it's one of the nicest interiors out there, period, especially for under $100K (which makes sense as we benefit from a more modernized version of the F01's interior, lucky us). I came from an E-Class and the interior of this Bimmer feels like it's a segment or two above the E's, easy.
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No doubt the F10 interior is gorgeous. I fell in love with the car "on paper" and after sitting in it. Unfortunately within 5 minutes of driving I knew I could never own such a car. Totally numb, big/heavy, and about as sporty as a Buick LeSabre. Sorry F10 guys, a 528i/535i is not a "fun" car to drive, when you're used to sporty BMWs.

My AH3 has a sticker of $65K, but the interior looks like a $35K car, to me. Yeah, that sucks. But it drives like a dream (especially in Sport Mode), and has every technical gizmo that a $65K 535i has. So basically I give up nice quality on the inside, for a more enjoyable driving experience. You can absolutely have both, but that is a $100K M5, and out of my budget
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K-A's sentiments about the 3 vs 5 express many of my observations. I was inclined to be a 5 buyer at first, coming from a MBZ 300E, and used to mid size lux 6 banger. But when I hit the dealership and saw the F30s in person I said WTF! Began test driving 535s and fell in love with roomy cabin but drove 328 to compare. Couldn't fathom a 4 banger performing like that, and I owned a 16V 1984 MBZ 190E manual.

The F30 cabin looks like a cut and paste designed by committee job compared the the cabin of the F10 which appears finely crafted, fitted, and engineered, IMO. But I was sold on 4 cylinder and so apparently was BMW. They thought enough of it to power the 528i.

Long story short, I slowly shifted to favoring the 3 once I discovered the M Sport package available with the options I wanted. Bottom like is I'd be pleased to drive either.
It's true.
One of the main reason I got into a 535 is the gorgeous interior.
In my opinion this is something not even Mercedes or Audi can compare.
The F10 just have the classiest interior in it's class.

*Also omg those comfy seats, I could die in them

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