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X3 F25 (2011 - current)
The latest X3 brings some added style and some new features to the BMW SUV family. Talk about the new F25 now!

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Old 02-17-2013, 06:53 PM
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So, I drove an Audi Q5 3.0 yesterday...

...and I'm impressed. Until now, I was convinced that an X3 35i was my next vehicle. Power, fit and finish, cost, reviews... it all seems to line up just a tiny bit better than the X3.

What am I not seeing here?!
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:35 PM
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Notwithstanding any personal preference differences, everything I read about VW and Audi products indicate they are less reliable than BMW. See the latest JD Power survey results as example:
http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dep...ss-release.htm
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Old 02-18-2013, 01:32 AM
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Notwithstanding any personal preference differences, everything I read about VW and Audi products indicate they are less reliable than BMW. See the latest JD Power survey results as example:
http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dep...ss-release.htm
Yet in the Luxury Crossover segment of that JD Powers report, the Q5 and RDX are in the highest 3. The X3 is not.
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Old 02-17-2013, 08:00 PM
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What am I not seeing here?!
Nothing, get a Q5. It is an awesome vehicle and it seems (you said it yourself) you like it better. As for which vehicle to pick, you either get it or not - just like with women - let your heart decide. BMW is not a budget brand, so you do not pick the car/options with your wallet. You either are a BMW TYPE, or you are not, it is not about being better, or worse, of feeling better or worse than others.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:56 AM
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We cross shopped the Q5 with the X3. The Q5 is fine. We do not like purchasing Audi Care and the maintence package and its limitations. Audi fit and finish on the Q5 is beautiful. We went with the X3 because we preferred it driving and handling characteristics and its appearance. The Audi Q5 is fine and competition between Audi and BMW is great for the enthusiast.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:58 AM
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We cross shopped the Q5 with the X3. The Q5 is fine. We do not like purchasing Audi Care and the maintence package and its limitations. Audi fit and finish on the Q5 is beautiful. We went with the X3 because we preferred it driving and handling characteristics and its appearance. The Audi Q5 is fine and competition between Audi and BMW is great for the enthusiast.
We did the same thing...liked the Q5's engine and while the handling was above average, we simply liked the driving experience of the X3 (with M-Sport package) more. FWIW, my wife also felt that the rear passenger seats/legroom on the X3 were significantly more comfortable than the Q5.
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We cross shopped the Q5 with the X3. The Q5 is fine. We do not like purchasing Audi Care and the maintence package and its limitations. Audi fit and finish on the Q5 is beautiful. We went with the X3 because we preferred it driving and handling characteristics and its appearance. The Audi Q5 is fine and competition between Audi and BMW is great for the enthusiast.
In a photo finish to replace my '04 X3, this was the determinant. Audi Care doesn't cover the brakes, and for me, this was a no go.

Really close - but must say, the new iDrive is as good as the Audi interface I test drove - if not better.
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Old 11-20-2013, 07:04 AM
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The only "brake job" I ever got from BMW under the "free" maintenance program (up to 50K miles) was a pad slap on the rear wheels -- not even the rotors! So brakes would not be a screen out for me with Audi care -- which I have also found to be negotiable as a package included in the car price.
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Old 11-20-2013, 12:24 PM
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The only "brake job" I ever got from BMW under the "free" maintenance program (up to 50K miles) was a pad slap on the rear wheels -- not even the rotors! So brakes would not be a screen out for me with Audi care -- which I have also found to be negotiable as a package included in the car price.
Maybe I'm harder on brakes than you - had it done at 48K under the original, and at 92K after I extended it. All 4, including the rotors. Never thought of negotiating it up front, I just admit.
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:41 AM
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Our friends have the Q5 and I must admit, the front seats are a bit more comfortable than the X3 sport seats, in my opinion. We find the sport seats to be comfortable if the side bolsters are fully deflated (widest setting). The Audi Q5 has just a litle bit more width, the right amount in my view.
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Old 10-01-2013, 05:45 PM
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Our friends have the Q5 and I must admit, the front seats are a bit more comfortable than the X3 sport seats, in my opinion. We find the sport seats to be comfortable if the side bolsters are fully deflated (widest setting). The Audi Q5 has just a litle bit more width, the right amount in my view.

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Old 10-01-2013, 08:51 PM
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It's just not a BMW...,
Yep. That reminds me of Friends "the one with the list".

On a serious note , I'm not a fan of EPS in general, but I think X3 version is better than Q5.
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Old 02-18-2013, 07:50 AM
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That Audi 3.0 supercharge engine is a gem, its a bit more powerful than the N55 in my opinion. We had a older Audi Q5 and the car had its share of build quality problems such as rattles and panel gaps. Hopeful, the quality have gotten better since then.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:05 AM
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That Audi 3.0 supercharge engine is a gem, its a bit more powerful than the N55 in my opinion. We had a older Audi Q5 and the car had its share of build quality problems such as rattles and panel gaps. Hopeful, the quality have gotten better since then.
Actually the Audi 3.0T is rated at 272 HP and 295 FT-LB compared to the X3 N55 300 HP and 300 FT-lb. So it is a bit less powerful than the X3. Also 0-60 is listed at 6 sec for the Audi and 5.5 sec for the X3.

I still think the Q5 is a great vehicle and it was my second choice, I just liked the X3 a little bit more.
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Old 10-01-2013, 05:49 PM
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That Audi 3.0 supercharge engine is a gem, its a bit more powerful than the N55 in my opinion. We had a older Audi Q5 and the car had its share of build quality problems such as rattles and panel gaps. Hopeful, the quality have gotten better since then.
The N20 & N55 engines have been voted 'top ten engines' more than once...,
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:26 AM
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The N20 & N55 engines have been voted 'top ten engines' more than once...,
So has the Audi 3.0T engine. Having own cars with both the 3.0T and N55 engines, I can say that the 3.0T is a bit more impressive as far as accelaration and smoothness.
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Old 10-02-2013, 07:40 AM
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So has the Audi 3.0T engine. Having own cars with both the 3.0T and N55 engines, I can say that the 3.0T is a bit more impressive as far as accelaration and smoothness.
It depends on which variant of the 3.0T you have, the Q5 has the lowest tuned version unless you go with the SQ5.
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It depends on which variant of the 3.0T you have, the Q5 has the lowest tuned version unless you go with the SQ5.
Its unfortunate that Audi choose to detune the 3.0T for the regular Q5, but if you ever get a chance to drive the A6, S4 or the SQ5, you will realized what the 3.0T can really do.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:48 AM
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Both great cars. I have wanted a Q5 since it first came to the US but chose the X3 because I hated the SA's at my local dealer. I had a couple A4s and maintenance was an issue so I decided to try something new- no regrets! LOVE the X3! The Audi is a good compromise between driving(X3) and comfort(RX).....I just wanted a driving experience more than something in between.
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I test drove both back to back a week or so ago. In addition to what others have said about the comfort and build of the Q5, I found the rear seats in the Q5 more comfortable. The thigh support was higher and they can be adjusted (both front to back and recline). I drove the hybrid and it was every bit as strong as my current V6 CUV. And, the Hybrid gauges gave good information for those times you want to stretch the MPG. The lift gate however, does not have the nice foot switch of the X3. It doesn't even close with the key FOB unless you install an aftermarket receiver.

EDIT: Forgot... the Audi Navi with it's Google 3D Maps and Voice search of Google (Audi Connect) made for an IMHO a superior Navi to the X3. In the Q5, the Audi Connect feature is a 3G Sim card in the vehicle so you can also make a cloud for your car.

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Old 02-18-2013, 11:23 AM
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... The lift gate however, does not have the nice foot switch of the X3. ...
Stupid question but where is the foot switch? Couldn't find any reference in Owner's Manual either.
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:35 PM
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Stupid question but where is the foot switch? Couldn't find any reference in Owner's Manual either.
I thought I saw it in marketing material but I looked at the brochure and it's not there. SOrry. The X3 does close by the key FOB which the Q5 does not.
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I thought I saw it in marketing material but I looked at the brochure and it's not there. SOrry. The X3 does close by the key FOB which the Q5 does not.
Not in the US or Canada, unless your X3 has been coded. The key fob will open the rear hatch, but will not close it.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:42 PM
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Not in the US or Canada, unless your X3 has been coded. The key fob will open the rear hatch, but will not close it.
Well that's a bummer. But at least the X3 can be coded. That won't cut it on the Q5 and the add-on doesn't work ion the current 2013 MY.
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Not in the US or Canada, unless your X3 has been coded. The key fob will open the rear hatch, but will not close it.
It appears the foot swipe activation for the liftgate I read about was in the 3 series Gran Tourismo material.

"An optional Smart Opener system is included with Comfort Access, and opens the tailgate when a person's foot is waved under the bumper and the Comfort Access key is present."

http://autos.jdpower.com/content/new...mo-preview.htm

Remains to be seen if BMWUSA puts it in cars though.
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