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X3 F25 (2011 - current)
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:45 PM
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2014 X3 Purchase, Option Questions

Hi all, first post here. I'm about to purchase a 2014 X3 35i next week. This will be my first car purchase in 33 years... yes I'm an old guy that drives 70's porsches and mercedes.

I have two unresolved questions that my local dealers and BMW North America can't answer, so I thought I'd come here and ask the experts.

I'm signing up for most all options and packages, and paddle shifters are on my wish list, which leads me to the M sport package. Problem is that my priorities are more like long comfortable freeway trips, and not typical sport/race type driving. Sure, I'm looking forward to agile handling on mountain roads and safety on snow, but as I said, I'm old. Additionally, I see more virtue in 18" wheels rather than 19".

My question is if the M Sport package is noticeably "stiffer" than the regular model in the comfort mode setting. Also, the configuration tool allows a check box for "standard suspension" ... should I check it? And finally, if I replace the 19" wheels with 18" at some point, will that influence the suspension "tuning" for the M Sport.

Will be happy to add the M Sport package, but don't want to loose the comfort part for long trips. If the sport mode is sportier, that's fine.

The second option question is about Driver Assist Plus. Does this include a blind side alert function as well as the lane drift warning? Also, can the lane drift/departure warning part be turned off?

thanks in advance for your help. I'm certainly headed for a next century driving experience.
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Old 09-28-2013, 12:26 PM
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I can't help with Driver Assist Plus, but have a 2014 X3 28i with M-Sport.

I don't believe M-Sport changes the suspension, but you're right in that it does add 19" wheels, which may result in a slightly courser ride. I haven't noticed.

I have DHP, which I assume you'll be getting as well since you said most all options and packages. I highly recommend it. In Comfort (default) mode, the ride is VERY compliant, but it still handles decently. In Sport mode, I still find it comfortable enough, and it handles MUCH better. I spend about 80% of time in comfort mode and find it very cushy. No long trips yet, but so far, very happy. I would say you will have no regrets on MSport if you have DHP. I'd bet it would be fine without DHP, too, but I just can't comment since it isn't the way my car is configured.

Good luck! Great car, whatever you choose.
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Old 09-28-2013, 12:48 PM
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Thanks for the reply, most helpful.

I have been surprised by the lack of knowledge at my local dealerships. Nothing like first hand information to make decisions easier.
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:40 PM
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So for the M-Sport package question: In the "comfort mode" (which is the default) the ride is very comfy, turning on sport mode tightens everything up for more spirited driving. The only thing I would recommend about this is to go to a dealership and sit in an X3 with sport seats. Some people (like me) love them, others not so much. Its an individual taste.

I *highly* recommend you get the ZDH (dynamic handling) package along with M-sport for the steering (you will get performance control and dynamic dampers with M-sport). It is my opinion that sport steering mode is the best from a road feedback point of view.

I'm actually about to take a 3,000 mile roadtrip journey to the midwest so I'll have good feedback by the end of the month on how it is for long rides.

As for driver assist plus: BMW didn't put blind-spot alerts on any of the X3. It is not available. At all. Lane departure warn is there. There is a button to turn it off if you desire (it is also not active by default under 40MPH.

Make sure that on the Driver Assist Package that you select option 3AH (Rear Cam with Top view). It is indispensable in parking situations. 3AG (rear cam only) is the default.

If you are not getting it I super duper recommend the technology package so you have head-up display. I thought it would just be a cool gadget to get when I ordered mine, however it has transformed my driving experience, and don't want a car without HUD ever again.

Finally, this has bitten a few people: Verify on the configuration that the exterior trim and roof rails match and are what you want. I dont think it is an issue for the M-Sport package, but if you get it or not, make sure they are right. I think that is 760 (black shadowline trim) and 3MC (black roof rails). Or, 3MB for aluminum trim and 3AT for the aluminum rails.

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Old 09-28-2013, 03:31 PM
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Thanks Drewsky for the additional info.

Just discovered this forum last night, and already I'm learning more that I got out of a month of car shopping.

At this point, I'm going M Sort with all the available packages, except now need to choose between cold weather package or the driver assist plus, which seem to be mutually exclusive for some unknown reason.

Here is a follow up question for the driver assistance plus package. Assuming that I don't think I need speed limit sign capture, or lane departure warning either, is there any other benefit of having the front facing camera? For instance, is it used in the top view display?

If the driver assistant plus is only the two advertised features, then I may go with the cold weather package to get heated rear seats (mild plus feature), but if there are any other hidden virtues in the driver assistant plus package, I'll go for that.

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Old 09-28-2013, 05:28 PM
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At this point, I'm going M Sort with all the available packages, except now need to choose between cold weather package or the driver assist plus, which seem to be mutually exclusive for some unknown reason.

Here is a follow up question for the driver assistance plus package. Assuming that I don't think I need speed limit sign capture, or lane departure warning either, is there any other benefit of having the front facing camera? For instance, is it used in the top view display?

If the driver assistant plus is only the two advertised features, then I may go with the cold weather package to get heated rear seats (mild plus feature), but if there are any other hidden virtues in the driver assistant plus package, I'll go for that.

Thanks again all

The reason that ZCW (cold weather) and ZDB aren't compatible is because of the steering wheel. ZCW has a heated steering wheel. ZDB has a vibrating steering wheel (to tell you when you are veering out of lane). There isn't such thing as a vibrating AND heated steering wheel, so it is one or the other.

The speed limit info is a "nice" feature that I can take or leave but the lane departure I think is a good safety feature, especially if you are taking long roadtrips. You can order 494 (heated seats) as a separate item. I am unable to find the option code, and it might be built in to the lane departure warning option but there is a collision warning system too that uses that camera: it watches ahead and when you get too close, or when the rate of closure is too fast, it will visually and audibly alert you (it doesn't put on the brakes like other manufacturers but something is better than nothing). Finally, one last thing that camera does is if you get option 5AC (auto high beams), it watches for oncoming traffic and moves the high beams accordingly to keep from blinding people in front of you. The camera is not used for the top view; it is for the computer to use only.

Hope that answers your questions.
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Old 09-28-2013, 07:24 PM
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So for the M-Sport package question: In the "comfort mode" (which is the default) the ride is very comfy, turning on sport mode tightens everything up for more spirited driving. [...]
I *highly* recommend you get the ZDH (dynamic handling) package along with M-sport for the steering (you will get performance control and dynamic dampers with M-sport).
This account is a bit misleading. MSport alone only includes performance control, NOT dynamic dampers.

The dynamic handling package (ZDH) even without MSport gives you "performance control', variable (dynamic) dampers, and variable sport steering.
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:40 PM
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This account is a bit misleading. MSport alone only includes performance control, NOT dynamic dampers.

The dynamic handling package (ZDH) even without MSport gives you "performance control', variable (dynamic) dampers, and variable sport steering.
It really isn't a misleading statement. The configuration sheet states: ZMP: 225 (default) sport suspension delete (aka standard suspesion) -OR- 223 dynamic damper control.
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Old 09-28-2013, 07:10 PM
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Re: 2014 X3 Purchase, Option Questions

You can have a heated and vibrating steering wheel together.

Also, I'm pretty sure the frontal collision system is separate from the front facing camera. It uses either Radio or Sound waves. Not sure which one but it's not from the camera. I actually had a malfunction in mine when snow built up on it. The system is in the lower bumper grill. While the frontal collision doesnt apply the brakes for you, it primes them when there is a threat. Doesnt take more than a tap to achieve full brake power.

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Old 09-29-2013, 05:45 PM
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You can have a heated and vibrating steering wheel together.

Also, I'm pretty sure the frontal collision system is separate from the front facing camera. It uses either Radio or Sound waves. Not sure which one but it's not from the camera. I actually had a malfunction in mine when snow built up on it. The system is in the lower bumper grill. While the frontal collision doesnt apply the brakes for you, it primes them when there is a threat. Doesnt take more than a tap to achieve full brake power.

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Frontal collision warning is NOT separate from front camera. The pieces in the bumper are ultrasonic sensors for SLOW and CLOSE sensing, but doesn't work much more than a meter or so from the car. Collision warning system detects proximity and rates of closure of vehicles at higher speeds, meaning up to 10's of feet away.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:25 PM
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Frontal collision warning is NOT separate from front camera. The pieces in the bumper are ultrasonic sensors for SLOW and CLOSE sensing, but doesn't work much more than a meter or so from the car. Collision warning system detects proximity and rates of closure of vehicles at higher speeds, meaning up to 10's of feet away.
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Refer to the pic. That circled black rectangle box is the frontal collision warning system. You thought I meant the PDC sensors which are little circular sensors in the bumper.
Sigh. Well, um, you do realize that this is the X3 forum, right? X3's don't have that little box. That rectangle contains a radar unit that is for the adaptive cruise control. X3's do not have adaptive cruise control.
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Sigh. Well, um, you do realize that this is the X3 forum, right? X3's don't have that little box. That rectangle contains a radar unit that is for the adaptive cruise control. X3's do not have adaptive cruise control.
Ok, maybe the X3 doesnt have that black box. However, I never heard of a camera that can measure closure rate. There's probably a different sensor somewhere other than that black box. It must be some kind of transceiving wave device.

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