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Old 01-16-2005, 12:39 AM
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Oil Change

Hi guys
Before everyone gets mad, yes i did do my homework and searched the forum, but now, i'm even more confused that ever before.
So here is deal, i have a 325i, bought a couple of months ago, and i have around 6500 miles on it. I got kinda worried today realizing thats twice the 3000 mile interval so i decided to ask for your oppinion on what i should do.
I'm no mechanic, and do not have the tools to do my own oil change.
So here is deal.
Some guys say that after after 7000 miles you should change your oil, some say 3000 miles, and other say that its fine with sythetic oil and you can wait till the 14000 mile limit(i think its 14000)
Most people do it for the peace of mind, which i think that is the sole reason that i'm doing it for.
For the gist of it, i want to change my oil! Should I? Would be the first question!
And where do i change it? I'm sure jiffy lube or midas is not the answer! should i take it to the dealer? i'm preety sure they wont do it for free, the free maintance plan is a marketing thing!
So i'm a little lost on what to do and how to do it!
I would apriciate any help!
Ooo and one last thing, that break in period that you guys talk about on new cars! I never did that, went over 3000 rpms even touched 6000 at maybe 50 miles on the car!
am i screwed?
Thanx
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Old 01-16-2005, 05:41 AM
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Hi guys
Before everyone gets mad, yes i did do my homework and searched the forum, but now, i'm even more confused that ever before.
So here is deal, i have a 325i, bought a couple of months ago, and i have around 6500 miles on it. I got kinda worried today realizing thats twice the 3000 mile interval so i decided to ask for your oppinion on what i should do.
I'm no mechanic, and do not have the tools to do my own oil change.
So here is deal.
Some guys say that after after 7000 miles you should change your oil, some say 3000 miles, and other say that its fine with sythetic oil and you can wait till the 14000 mile limit(i think its 14000)
Most people do it for the peace of mind, which i think that is the sole reason that i'm doing it for.
For the gist of it, i want to change my oil! Should I? Would be the first question!
And where do i change it? I'm sure jiffy lube or midas is not the answer! should i take it to the dealer? i'm preety sure they wont do it for free, the free maintance plan is a marketing thing!
So i'm a little lost on what to do and how to do it!
I would apriciate any help!
Ooo and one last thing, that break in period that you guys talk about on new cars! I never did that, went over 3000 rpms even touched 6000 at maybe 50 miles on the car!
am i screwed?
Thanx
Burak
and welcome to the fest.

Well, this is an internet forum so am not sure whether the opinions you will find are any better than "the guys", unless maybe if the "the guys" are the Williams F1 pit crew.

Best place to look for reliable guidance is in the owner's manual. If you do not have an owners manual you can get one through bmwusa.com by registering your car; they have downloadable pdf files.

I assume you bought your 325i new i.e. an 04 or 05 model? If so, the car will compute the service interval. Routine 3000 miles changes are a thing of the past as far as OEMs are concerned. On my car ('03 330i) the initial service interval is going to take place at 14,000 miles or so. Being anal I decided to 1/2 this interval and changed the oil at about 7,500 miles. I use a Mity-vac oil sucker and bought the BMW OEM oil and filter at the dealership with the BMW CCA discount. Do a search on Mity-vac or Mityvac and you will see threads on the procedure, its very easy and you can do it in your tuxedo (just kidding, but its very easy.)

I would not use Jiffy or Midas but thats just me. The dealer will b e happy to change the oil for you, for a fee of course.

Re: the break-in, I suspect you are probably ok. Unless you see blue smoke from the exhaust that is
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Old 01-16-2005, 07:10 AM
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I did the same as wingspan. I spent $50 on the mityvac, $5 on the socket at Sears; then I buy filters and oil from the local BMW dealer and change every 6000 miles or so. The mityvac is easy and clean and the whole oil change takes < 1 hour.
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Old 01-16-2005, 07:30 AM
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I would change oil now, just for my own piece of mind, It's not going to hurt anything. If you do it yourself, or have it done, it's just cheap insurance in the long run.
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The oil is probably good until the first service. The oil filter will probably be trashed well before then. Get both changed out now, get the first service when it comes due and you can forget about oil change intervals until about 20K miiles or so.
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Hi guys
Before everyone gets mad, yes i did do my homework and searched the forum, but now, i'm even more confused that ever before.
So here is deal, i have a 325i, bought a couple of months ago, and i have around 6500 miles on it. I got kinda worried today realizing thats twice the 3000 mile interval so i decided to ask for your oppinion on what i should do.
I'm no mechanic, and do not have the tools to do my own oil change.
So here is deal.
Some guys say that after after 7000 miles you should change your oil, some say 3000 miles, and other say that its fine with sythetic oil and you can wait till the 14000 mile limit(i think its 14000)
Most people do it for the peace of mind, which i think that is the sole reason that i'm doing it for.
For the gist of it, i want to change my oil! Should I? Would be the first question!
And where do i change it? I'm sure jiffy lube or midas is not the answer! should i take it to the dealer? i'm preety sure they wont do it for free, the free maintance plan is a marketing thing!
So i'm a little lost on what to do and how to do it!
I would apriciate any help!
Ooo and one last thing, that break in period that you guys talk about on new cars! I never did that, went over 3000 rpms even touched 6000 at maybe 50 miles on the car!
am i screwed?
Thanx
Burak
most people i know change their oil at around 7500mile intervals...i do it just because i do not believe the 15000mi. claimed by bmw. as far as the 3000mi changes, from what i know 3000mi. intervals were for regular oil and some people do a 3000mi. change when they first get the car, but then swtich to 7500mi. after that. i think that changing the oil at 7500mi intervals will be fine, unless you autocross and then you may need to do it more often.

as far as doing it yourself...it's very easy so don't be nervous about it. just need to buy some of the tools first which shouldn't be that expensive (will be cheaper than paying the dealer to do it). as many other people have stated the mityvac is a great tool, but research it somemore as there is some debate as to how it deals with the sediment...i'm sure that most people feel it's fine, but i prefer to change the oil the conventional gravity drain method...but you might need some ramps or jack stands for this. good luck!!! and welcome!
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Old 01-16-2005, 02:22 PM
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Thanks a lot guys for helping out, i greatly apriciate the help and your hospitality.

Thanks for making me feel welcome!

As for all your advices, trust me i'm going to put good used for them tommorow, when i do my own oil change in my tuxedo !
Hope i don't screw up!
I'm heading down to sears rite know to pick up one of those mityvac thingies. Going to get a filter from my dealer, and what kind of oil would you guys reccomend?
Any specific brands!?
Ohhh, and i'm glad that i not following the rule in the break in period won't cause me troube, and i don't think i saw any blue smoke from my exhaust!

I really apriciate the help guys
Thanks
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Old 01-16-2005, 02:26 PM
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Mobile 1 or BMW oil (both synthetic) seem to be most common. I use the BMW oil while it's under warranty to avoid any dumb "you used the wrong oil" arguments from the dealer. I recently bought 2 cases. With the BMWCCA discount it was $3.20/quart. Not bad.

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Old 01-16-2005, 06:51 PM
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Mobile 1 or BMW oil (both synthetic) seem to be most common. I use the BMW oil while it's under warranty to avoid any dumb "you used the wrong oil" arguments from the dealer. I recently bought 2 cases. With the BMWCCA discount it was $3.20/quart. Not bad.
Note that only Mobil 1 0W40 meets BMW oil specifications, so using the other grades can be problematic at best. If in doubt, just use the BMW branded stuff.

BTW, its Mobil, not Mobile (which is a city in Alabama).
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Old 01-16-2005, 07:12 PM
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Note that only Mobil 1 0W40 meets BMW oil specifications, so using the other grades can be problematic at best. If in doubt, just use the BMW branded stuff.

BTW, its Mobil, not Mobile (which is a city in Alabama).
That is incorrect. The "Service and Warranty Information" booklet for my 2003 330Ci says that "Mobil 1 5w-30 and 5w-40 oils are strongly recommened and approved by BMW for the 325 and 330 models." This is stated on page 4.

Even though I use 0w-40, there is nowhere in the manual that says this is an approved viscosity. Mobil 1 0w-40 says it meets BMW LL-01 specs, but beyond that there is no mention in any of my BMW factory literature that says and brand of 0w-40 is approved. In fact, my factory literature says that Mobil 1 is the only other oil approved by BMW besides the "official" BMW synthetic.

I've heard the BMW Owners Circle has an updated list of approved oils. I checked that once several months ago and remember seeing Valvoline 5w-30 as being approved also. However, I have never been able to navigate to that approved list since. I wonder if BMW removed it for some reason.

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Thanks a lot guys for helping out, i greatly apriciate the help and your hospitality.

Thanks for making me feel welcome!

As for all your advices, trust me i'm going to put good used for them tommorow, when i do my own oil change in my tuxedo !
Hope i don't screw up!
I'm heading down to sears rite know to pick up one of those mityvac thingies. Going to get a filter from my dealer, and what kind of oil would you guys reccomend?
Any specific brands!?
Ohhh, and i'm glad that i not following the rule in the break in period won't cause me troube, and i don't think i saw any blue smoke from my exhaust!

I really apriciate the help guys
Thanks
Burak
Not at all...I find this a pretty friendly place to hang out.

Here is a link to the post when I did mine:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...4&postcount=10

I also buy BMW OEM oil for the same reason as rumratt.

Good luck...
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Hi guys
Before everyone gets mad, yes i did do my homework and searched the forum, but now, i'm even more confused that ever before.
So here is deal, i have a 325i, bought a couple of months ago, and i have around 6500 miles on it. I got kinda worried today realizing thats twice the 3000 mile interval so i decided to ask for your oppinion on what i should do.
I'm no mechanic, and do not have the tools to do my own oil change.
So here is deal.
Some guys say that after after 7000 miles you should change your oil, some say 3000 miles, and other say that its fine with sythetic oil and you can wait till the 14000 mile limit(i think its 14000)
Most people do it for the peace of mind, which i think that is the sole reason that i'm doing it for.
For the gist of it, i want to change my oil! Should I? Would be the first question!
And where do i change it? I'm sure jiffy lube or midas is not the answer! should i take it to the dealer? i'm preety sure they wont do it for free, the free maintance plan is a marketing thing!
So i'm a little lost on what to do and how to do it!
I would apriciate any help!
Ooo and one last thing, that break in period that you guys talk about on new cars! I never did that, went over 3000 rpms even touched 6000 at maybe 50 miles on the car!
am i screwed?
Thanx
Burak
You're fine, years ago at the beamer factory i watched as the technician took a brand new bmw at the end of the line and floored it in neutral and held it to the floor for what seemed like an eternity to me, i guess they want to make sure it isn't going to break.
break in period? you don't want to drive it like an old lady, do you?
another guy on here had a bmw with over 300 k on it and had never changed the oil.
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Old 11-23-2005, 03:28 PM
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You're fine, years ago at the beamer factory i watched as the technician took a brand new bmw at the end of the line and floored it in neutral and held it to the floor for what seemed like an eternity to me, i guess they want to make sure it isn't going to break.
break in period? you don't want to drive it like an old lady, do you?
another guy on here had a bmw with over 300 k on it and had never changed the oil.
Are you sure it wasn't on rollers, and part of the final inspection? I have seen them run on the rollers at the factory in SC.
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I like how the guy who has owned 6-7 bmws is railing against Wal Mart. You truly are a champion for the underpaid and less fortunate. lol. As far as oil goes, Mobil 1.
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+1 on Walmart being the anti-Christ.. I never buy anything there, even if it's at 1/2 price.

As for oil, I too agree that the BMW free service is nice if you're in a lease, but I pay cash and keep my cars for 5+ years so I'm going to be doing half intervals on all the fluids. I also do one additional item.. On my CDI, I changed out all gear fluids at 1500 miles.. This is a break in for the engine, trans, and rear dif. I got a good independent shop to do it all for $400, and we did an analysis of the oils and there was quite a lot of metal shard in it.. this is the same stuff that will be suspended in your engine, rear dif, and tranny oil fr that 15000, or God forbid 100,000 (trans) mile interval.. NO THANKS! I do all my gear fluids at 1500, then again at 1/2 manufacturer intervals.

I have had more than one experienced and respected mechanic tell me that the best way to keep your vehicle running like new, is to change fluids often.
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:56 AM
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BTW BMW DOES use a break in oil, but they also know that US owners will not bring it in at 1200 miles like required, so the break in oil is replaced with standard BMW oil at the VPC when the car arrives in the country.
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I just bought my first bimmer and was wondering if I can learn how to change the oil and break pads myself and get rid of the inspection blinking light in the dashboard (says -75 miles to inspection). If there is anything else i also need to do, please let me know before I seriously mess it up. Thank you and hope to get a reply soon.
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Old 12-21-2007, 10:32 AM
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BTW BMW DOES use a break in oil, but they also know that US owners will not bring it in at 1200 miles like required, so the break in oil is replaced with standard BMW oil at the VPC when the car arrives in the country.
I know this can't be true for ED vehicles. I changed my oil right after I got it home with 500 miles on it from ED. The oil was black. There's no way it would have been black if they had changed it at the VPC.

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Look folks i'm going to let you in on a little secret.... Walmart (yes Walmart) will change your oil ond filter for 30$ with your choice of synthetic oil and yes they have mobil 1 5w30 changing your oil is a no brainer believe me.. change it early and often your motor will thank you for it.. i have built and raced turbo motors for years and oil is critical for anything with a turbo. so i think i know what i am talking about.. 30$ is that best deal going.. in most cases you can't buy the oil for that much.. MOBILe 1 is great oil, but if i had a choice i wold use AMSOIL oil and filters. It is the best synthetic you can buy period. redline guys will usually will even admit that. just look up a local rep if you want information on it. But 30$ for a full synthetic oil change is a great deal if you ask me.

As far as the break in period.. it is a recommendation not a hard fast rule.. i break in the engines that i build fast.. i prefer it.. gets everything hot and seated correctly. plus if there is a weak link it will go early instead of later. the only thing i preach is changing the oil early and often in the break in period.. 1500 miles 1st, 1500 miles 2nd, 3000 3rd 5000 miles after that. Just my opinion tho..
I don't think the Mobile 5-30 meets the LL-01 spec. I bought a quart of the Mobile 0-40 at Pep Girls because it was the only oil they had that meets the LL-01 spec in case I use a quart before my next change. I'm not giving BMW any chance to deny a warranty claim. I did my first change at 500 miles using the BMW 5-30 and I plan on sticking with it when I do my own intermediate 7500 mile changes. It's only $5 qt and seems to give decent UOA's, cheaper than the Mobil 0-40 and seeems to give better UOA's as the Mobil tends to shear bad.

15k is definately too long between changes. Speaking of BITOG, evidence here suggest the N54 could destroy the oil in as few as 1k miles, although I would like to see more UOA's:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...162#Post981162

I'm editing this because I just went to the Amsoil website and noticed that the series 3000 listed above does not meet any BMW spec. It's meets all the MB, but not BMW. I have no doubt it's a great oil, I use Amsoil in my bike, but if you want to use Amsoil and not void your warranty it looks the 5-40 Euro formula is your only choice. I'm sure the series 3000 would be a great choice after your warranty expires.

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I read in the reviews that Amsoil and Redline Synthetic Motor oils are the best and Amsoil oil filters.

Now Mobil has Synthetic Oil (extended performance) and Synthetic Oil filter (extended performance) and is guaranteed for 15000 miles ??

Bosch Premium oil filter is also synthetic-natural and cheaper than Mobil !
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Oil changes and pads are pretty easy. Check out the Do It Yourself section.

You will also find how to reset the lights. Although it sounds like you are due for an Inspection, which is much more involved than an Oil Change, and if you aren't experienced, you should have a mechanic do it. You can use a BMW dealer or an independant BMW shop.
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Hi, just had my oil changed at Pep Boys. However, I checked the color of the oil the next morning, and it looks dirty. Now I'm not sure if they actually did the change or not (I brought it in for other service at the same time, so its possible they forgot to do the oil change).

I know synthetic oil is pretty clear when new. I have since driven only about 10 miles, but when I checked the dipstick, the oil was dirty brown already. Is it possible that they didn't actually do it? Or is it possible that they changed the oil, but didn't change the filter because they didn't have it in stock? Would that account for the oil color?

Or is it normal for new oil to turn used looking pretty much right away once it mixes with the old residue in the engine?

What do you guys think?
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Hi, just had my oil changed at Pep Boys. However, I checked the color of the oil the next morning, and it looks dirty. Now I'm not sure if they actually did the change or not (I brought it in for other service at the same time, so its possible they forgot to do the oil change).

I know synthetic oil is pretty clear when new. I have since driven only about 10 miles, but when I checked the dipstick, the oil was dirty brown already. Is it possible that they didn't actually do it? Or is it possible that they changed the oil, but didn't change the filter because they didn't have it in stock? Would that account for the oil color?

Or is it normal for new oil to turn used looking pretty much right away once it mixes with the old residue in the engine?

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I`d bet money that they did`nt change the oil.... take it back ASAP and raise Hell....
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Not sure if ED get a different service at the VPC. But BMW DOES (or at least did a few years ago) use a break in oil, and in Europe all the cars had a manadatory 1200 mile (2000 km) service.

There were threads around here about tours of the VPC and them changing the oil.

And there is no way your oil was black from use in 500 miles, otherwise your engine has serious problems. Modern synthetics are much darker than conventional oils, out of the bottle.

How long is long enough? A flat statement of 15K miles is too long is like saying that. BMW doesn't use a 15K mile oil change interval. They use a certain fuel usage which relates to the use of the car. Drive the car harder, use more fuel and that number rolls down, and possibly quite quickly. I know several people with M3s that count down to service in under 10K and a regular basis and the record is about 7K miles.

And most other cars have gone to 7,500 mile service intervals, on conventional oils. The only people recommending 3K/3month is Jiffy Lube, and I wonder why they might do that?

But bottom line is, do oil analysis and see what YOUR car/oil is doing. Blackstone has a neat pump kit that allows you to take a sample at any time by pumping a container full out through the dipstick hole. Of course, with curent models there is no dipstick, so youa re still SOL. But you can take a sample at change time. And to start with, try a mid life change.
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1)Not sure if ED get a different service at the VPC,
2)In Europe all the cars had a manadatory 1200 mile (2000 km) service.
3))BMW doesn't use a 15K mile oil change interval. And most other cars have gone to 7,500 mile service intervals, on conventional oils.
4)The only people recommending 3K/3month is Jiffy Lube, and I wonder why they might do that? QUOTE]

1) Heard BMWs do get some special oil at VPC ? Is there speciall oil other than Synthetic?
2) Y US-BMWs are recomended for 15000 oil change? Is it synthetic oil or what?
3) BMW recommends oil change at 15000 miles / one year and NO TIRE ROTATION.
4) Most oil change places recommend strongly 3500 mile and tire rotation. Y --$$ ?
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