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The fourth generation 3 Series (E46 chassis) was introduced in 1999 and set the standard for engineering and performance during it's years of production including being named to Car & Driver's 10 best list every one of those years! ! -- View the E46 Wiki

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Old 01-17-2005, 10:16 AM
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New Product from TMS - E46 Rear Subframe Reinforcement Kit

This product is now finished and in stock.

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html..._ID=TDR4675412

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Old 01-17-2005, 11:57 AM
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This product is now finished and in stock.

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html..._ID=TDR4675412

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Doug,

Have you seen any of the Z-series cars failure modes?
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Doug,

Have you seen any of the Z-series cars failure modes?
We have not seen any Z3's in our shop with that issue. With the E30 style rear suspension, we have seen some diff mount failures, that is about it.

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The kit looks very nice! FWIW, when my rear subframe tear was repaired, reinforcement was added to the area. It seemed to be part of the normal repair process for the E46.

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Old 01-17-2005, 01:25 PM
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Doug, do you guys have a pre-canned price for installing them? Or is it based on an hourly rate (with 8-10 hours estimated)?
It's based on how long it takes us, which is based on the individual's car. We do not charge flat rate labor.

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It's based on how long it takes us, which is based on the individual's car. We do not charge flat rate labor.

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Would you do a canned price for a car that has no damage, ie preventative install? Seems like you could accurately estimate that pretty easily, since you dont need to do any repair work, and all cars disassemble and reassemble the same way. I think we just want a ballpark to figure out if we should come play...
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If I were buying and not leasing I would definitely pick this up.

Seems like a great price, assuming it does what it is supposed to.
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I am no welder either, but I have friends who are quite handy.
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If it were just a matter of buying the kit, the price is peanuts. It's getting it installed that is the PITA.

Welding is not one of my areas of expertise.
That's a ton of work.
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That's a ton of work.
Yes, a considerable amount of labor. Typically 8-10 hours depending on damage. The alternative you ask? Replace the entire rear floorpan with a factory body panel, pay a body shop to rip out the entire rear of the floor and replace with new and then paint it. That is at least double the time, not to mention the price of the parts from BMW. If you do that, we still recommend you install this kit to prevent it from happening again.

We weighed the options for a while and we have found that this is the right way to fix it. We have seen a lot of these cars lately with subframe mounting completely ripped out. The car we used for the photos for example, it was a customer's car, 100% street driven, 100,000 miles, the car never saw one day on the track. We have used this kit on a half dozen cars so far.

The lowest mileage car we have seen with this issue had 60,000 miles. However, we have seen some E46's with 200,000 miles on them with zero issues.

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any possibility in making a trunk only reinforcement kit for cars that have no damage.
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Yes, a considerable amount of labor. Typically 8-10 hours depending on damage. The alternative you ask? Replace the entire rear floorpan with a factory body panel, pay a body shop to rip out the entire rear of the floor and replace with new and then paint it. That is at least double the time, not to mention the price of the parts from BMW. If you do that, we still recommend you install this kit to prevent it from happening again.

We weighed the options for a while and we have found that this is the right way to fix it. We have seen a lot of these cars lately with subframe mounting completely ripped out. The car we used for the photos for example, it was a customer's car, 100% street driven, 100,000 miles, the car never saw one day on the track. We have used this kit on a half dozen cars so far.

The lowest mileage car we have seen with this issue had 60,000 miles. However, we have seen some E46's with 200,000 miles on them with zero issues.

Doug

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Definetly sounds like the right way to do it. I'd love to have it done to mine . Maybe if I'm ever up your way..............
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We weighed the options for a while and we have found that this is the right way to fix it. We have seen a lot of these cars lately with subframe mounting completely ripped out. The car we used for the photos for example, it was a customer's car, 100% street driven, 100,000 miles, the car never saw one day on the track. We have used this kit on a half dozen cars so far.
Hi Doug,

That looks like quite lot of good research went into that kit. Did you happen to do another car recently? My buddy had his done this past week, and I thought that was his car in the pics. He's done lots of driving schools, track days, and 3 seasons of autocross, and only has 68k miles. Is it another 2001 Orient Blue 325i E46 that you did for those pics? Also, I don't believe he had any problems with his rear subframe mounts before. Was the first pic in the instructions from the same car, or a file photo. I'm curious because he does a fair amount of driving events, as I do, and I want to keep an eye on things on my car.

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The lowest mileage car we have seen with this issue had 60,000 miles.
I just noticed this. My rear subframe tore out at 41K miles on a stock suspension car.

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Any word on the rumors that the tearing is caused mostly due to a bad batch of sheet metal? There have been almost no reported cases on 2002+ vehicles (or is it 2001+). Of course, they are newer, so they've had less time to wear out.
Based on our customer data, this is accurate. The six cars we have done in house have been 98, 99 and 2000 production.

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Any chance that's why we have the CDV?

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Any word on the rumors that the tearing is caused mostly due to a bad batch of sheet metal? There have been almost no reported cases on 2002+ vehicles (or is it 2001+). Of course, they are newer, so they've had less time to wear out.
I wonder if BMW started using the CDV (clutch delay valve) to cushon clutch engagement to reduce drivetrain shock and subframe fatigue... Anybody know when the CDV became standard?

I generally don't do hard launches in first and tend to floor it from second gear for the sake of smoothness. I am sure this is much easier on all the drivetrain mounting points.
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For those of you that may not be following this other post, look here. http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...hreadid=195602

While most failures are reported on MY 2000 and prior, there are several that are 2001 and above. I'm curious if it is more a function of mileage and not necessarily related to MY. Most MY 2001 and later 3s may not have have enough miles on them to experience the failure.
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