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Old 06-02-2005, 05:58 PM
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How many E90 owners are/were E46 owners?

Curious. I love the exterior but I am very, very disapointed in the non I-Drive dash and the location of the new window buttons. Me-thinks I"m holding my E46 for a while or buying a ZCP M3. I want more direct feedback and less DSC, Less electronica, less active steering. What I really, really want is my interior re-sheathing in the E90 body, with the more powerful engine tuned to 300hp. Oh well. Anyone else have similar thoughts???
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Old 06-02-2005, 06:12 PM
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Old 06-02-2005, 06:14 PM
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Former E46 owner. No active steering here. The E90 handles better, accelerates better, brakes better, and gets phenominal gas mileage for 255HP on tap. I have the standard dash and prefer this simpler look to the E46.

Dislikes:

Window switches on the door
Radio face not visible with polarized sunglasses
Sunroof only closes with ignition on
Trunk locks seperately with the key only and not with the remote

Dislikes are minor nits
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Old 06-02-2005, 06:35 PM
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Curious. I love the exterior but I am very, very disapointed in the non I-Drive dash and the location of the new window buttons. Me-thinks I"m holding my E46 for a while or buying a ZCP M3. I want more direct feedback and less DSC, Less electronica, less active steering. What I really, really want is my interior re-sheathing in the E90 body, with the more powerful engine tuned to 300hp. Oh well. Anyone else have similar thoughts???
- Non iDrive dash: I agree, too simplistic, ugly assymetrical and overcrowded center console (Sorry I don't want to offend, this is just a matter of personal taste).

- Window buttons: This is the standard used in the industry, it's not the e90 that is to blame but the e46. The front passenger would always search his door panel when trying to open that window.

- DSC: Can be switched off. A saver in real bad weather.

- Active steering: Don't buy it if it bothers you, spend the extra cash on other options, no one is twisting your arm to get it.

- 300hp: Hmmm... Wait for twin-turbo 335i? Is 255hp really not enough???

IMHO, most of the complaints are nitpicking, because you can switch off or get rid of some features by not paying for them (That's the meaning of the term "option" ).
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Old 06-02-2005, 08:07 PM
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- Non iDrive dash: I agree, too simplistic, ugly assymetrical and overcrowded center console (Sorry I don't want to offend, this is just a matter of personal taste).

- Window buttons: This is the standard used in the industry, it's not the e90 that is to blame but the e46. The front passenger would always search his door panel when trying to open that window.

- DSC: Can be switched off. A saver in real bad weather.

- Active steering: Don't buy it if it bothers you, spend the extra cash on other options, no one is twisting your arm to get it.

- 300hp: Hmmm... Wait for twin-turbo 335i? Is 255hp really not enough???

IMHO, most of the complaints are nitpicking, because you can switch off or get rid of some features by not paying for them (That's the meaning of the term "option" ).
All very valid. That said; It used to be that BMW had the perfect package and that everything that they offered was something you really cared for. I suppose I shouldn't be critical on a BMW site
BMW's tag line is 'The Ultimate driving machine' yes? So why does it make sense for the ergonomics of a new platform to go backwards? I would say that not being able to see the I-drive screen with polarized glass is a serious fcuk up. And no...255hp is not enough to justify me giving BMWNA 500/mo over my paid for, fully sorted, nice ergonomically designed 328i.

Now, I would LOVE to have a newer model, freshened look, more hp, better mileage etc but since their package isn't 'perfect' as it was in the past...the door has been opened for other models. THe GS430 is a much more effective package and much, much more reliable with a nav package that is touch and much more friendly.

I think its a shame that the packaging of the 3 series has now become a ploy to move up-market (ie...don't like the dash, buy the I-Drive to make up for the aesthetic'.
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Old 06-02-2005, 08:14 PM
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Wolf,
With the new location of the windows....why care what the passenger does??? its a DRIVERS car. If you want luxury buy Lexus.

If you make a slow left turn with a manual and have your left hand on the wheel but say, a valet wants to talk to you...well you have to move your hand off the steering wheel rather than simply slip your shifting hand off the stick and 'tick' the down button. Poor ergonomics in my mind. Also, the slop of the new door handle/pull while aesthetically pleasing means you have to reach around the rest and 'reach' for the button. While this is 'nitpicking' the E46 had EVERYTHING at yoru fingertips.

As for me...I'm moving up-market...ie, holding my E46 and waiting til '08 for the M3..screw it..maybe they'll straighten out some of the creases on the dash...dash looks 'hard and creased'...not ergonomic....Feel as I have some opinion in the matters of design as I"m an architect and have a thing for visual weight/proportion etc. Glad you like it..just doesn't do it for me. Contemplating 997.
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Old 06-03-2005, 02:44 AM
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I had an e46, 325. I am now buying an E90 320d. I think the E90 interior is nice, no idrive. It's simple. Who needs clutter anyways?
As far as the new car goes, it's ALOT quieter, more stable, and more comfortable. The only thing I found was the steering was a tad heavy. I think it was because the tires were underinflated on the test car...strange..but true
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Feel as I have some opinion in the matters of design as I'm an architect and have a thing for visual weight/proportion etc.
Same here, but I like the dash ok. I think the sculpted part of the dash top, as well as the center console and base of the seats (at the seat controls) does a good job of continuing what is going on with the exterior of the car (aka Bangle's 'flame surfacing'). Mine will be sans idrive, rest assured.

All that said, I do prefer the previous interior slightly. I'm going to wait for the 335i or M3 most likely, and try to get one without a moonroof.
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Old 06-03-2005, 09:49 AM
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Curious. I love the exterior but I am very, very disapointed in the non I-Drive dash and the location of the new window buttons. Me-thinks I"m holding my E46 for a while or buying a ZCP M3. I want more direct feedback and less DSC, Less electronica, less active steering. What I really, really want is my interior re-sheathing in the E90 body, with the more powerful engine tuned to 300hp. Oh well. Anyone else have similar thoughts???
I Love the E90.
Used to have a 2000 328Ci with BMW Aero Kit & 18" wheels.
Real-World handling is better.
I ordered without Active Steering, with sport and DVD-NAV.
I dislike the interior without the DVD-NAV.
Change is good. Just my opinion.
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Old 06-03-2005, 02:43 PM
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I Love the E90.
Used to have a 2000 328Ci with BMW Aero Kit & 18" wheels.
Real-World handling is better.
I ordered without Active Steering, with sport and DVD-NAV.
I dislike the interior without the DVD-NAV.
Change is good. Just my opinion.
thx for the reply. good to hear you like it. i'm considering it more and more. the gadgets in the I-drive have some appeal to me...just the manner in which it is physically displayed.

As for handling I LOVE my little e46 328i. If it is as 'go-kart' esque or more so then I could be persuaded. The real deal will be if I can test drive a properly broken in 330. I think once these engines get some legs they'll get better and better. I really, really would like 300 ponies. So many cars are in the upper 200hp range that I think BMW needs to bite the bullet and compete with the hp wars regardless of their opinion that they are the 'overall' package. just my .02.
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