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BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 05-25-2005, 03:19 PM
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BMW brake dust is a function of a TUV requirement for graphite content, and can, and most likely is, independent of performance; i.e. dust doen't equal good performance. In fact, graphite can and is used as a lubricant so its presence or absence can't possibly be a singular measure of performance in any way.
I don't dispute that. I've had track pads that dust less than OEM. It doesn't change the fact that dustless pads are inherently compromised.
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Old 05-25-2005, 03:33 PM
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OK, how are they as good as stock pads?

Fade resistance is much less.
Brake torque is less.
Cold bite is less.

I fail to see how you can claim that they are equal to the OEM pads. I have no objection to people using them, and I use them myself, but I can't understand why you want to perpetuate the delusion that you aren't giving something up in exchange for low dusting.
I fail to see how you can still make your claims unless you haven't read any other posts here.

Each question you ask or claim you make I can turn right around on you but it gets us no where.

I guess, in the end, all we have are claims by folks who have used the pads and no real, concrete proof.

Shall we agree to disagree?

Or, shall we banter around "OEM-level performance" vs. "as good as or equal to OEM." It could be a semantics issue here....
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Old 05-25-2005, 03:51 PM
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I fail to see how you can still make your claims unless you haven't read any other posts here.

Each question you ask or claim you make I can turn right around on you but it gets us no where.

I guess, in the end, all we have are claims by folks who have used the pads and no real, concrete proof.

Shall we agree to disagree?

Or, shall we banter around "OEM-level performance" vs. "as good as or equal to OEM." It could be a semantics issue here....
You know damned well that most of the other people here have no idea what the limits are, and probably wouldn't even know if they passed them. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't even have an idea of where the limit is and how to reach it, there's no real value in your opinion of the performance limits of a specific component. Just to be clear, this is NOT an attack on anyone.

It's not a semantics issue here. They offer significantly LESS than OEM performance.

For most people, including me, this is an acceptable trade-off. I can't comprehend why it is that people refuse to admit that they are doing this. The Axxis Deluxe Plus offers good enough performance for the street. I will even state that most people won't be able to discern how it is an inferior braking solution to the stock pads. That does not mean, however, that it is as good as stock.

Edit: Anyway, I've said my piece. The Deluxe Plus is inferior to the stock pads. If you are willing, like me, to make that trade for little dust on the street, then it is an excellent solution. Just don't delude yourself.
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They offer significantly LESS than OEM performance.
Where is your proof? All you are doing is making absolutes with zero to back it up. Significant? How can you say that? Bad word choice.

Offer up some facts and I'll be happy to change my tune. Until then, it is just your opinion...not a fact.

You have your experiences to judge this on, I have mine plus some good field experience by Dave Z.
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Old 05-26-2005, 08:37 AM
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Where is your proof? All you are doing is making absolutes with zero to back it up. Significant? How can you say that? Bad word choice.

Offer up some facts and I'll be happy to change my tune. Until then, it is just your opinion...not a fact.

You have your experiences to judge this on, I have mine plus some good field experience by Dave Z.
If you want me to go perform scientific tests, I'm not going to. I have, however, faded them out a few times (not on track). They don't have the bite that the stock pads on the M3 had, and my 323i (with those tiny little 15" wheel brakes) stops at least as well as the M3 does now.
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Old 05-26-2005, 08:50 AM
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We're cool. I'll agree that they do not have the exact same bit as stock pads...however, I just don't agree that it is significantly worse. But, again, we may define significant differently...that is why I think it is semantics partly.
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I just took delivery of a Silver Gray Metallic 545i Sport with a 6MT. Yahoo!

I tend to spend a lot of time at the race tracks - my other car is a heavily modified 350Z. 455whp and totally tweaked for road courses. But, eventually I will want to take the 545i out once and a while and while there is not much in the way of upgrades yet for improving an already excellent car, the one area that I think I could improver is the Brakes. New pads and SS lines and Dot 4 Fluid - heck even a BBK upgrade.

Dose anyone know what type of brake pad the front wheels use. Model #. I would like to upgrade to Pagid Blues at all four corners. I can get the rear pad but I am having the hardest time trying to locate the spec for the front. Can anyone help?

Or would it be easier to just call Zeckhausen???

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Dave can help you out...absolutely...give him a call or send him an email.
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Dose anyone know what type of brake pad the front wheels use. Model #. I would like to upgrade to Pagid Blues at all four corners. I can get the rear pad but I am having the hardest time trying to locate the spec for the front. Can anyone help?
The Friction Materials Standards Institute (FMSI) designation for the front pads on your 545i is D918. You can use that number to cross reference pads from any manufacturer. I don't know if Pagid makes the RS421 (Blue) in that shape yet, but I do know you can get the Axxis Ultimate, which is a better pad at a lower price. The Axxis part number is 107-09180. According to my latest Hawk spreadsheet, they do not have a part number for this application yet.
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So all together, how much would some axxis deluxe pads cost. With the actual pads, shipping and install?
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So all together, how much would some axxis deluxe pads cost. With the actual pads, shipping and install?
That's going to vary tremendously, depending on where you buy the pads and on who you pay to install them for you.

I've had very good luck with Avus Autosport in Glendale. Call (818) 500-7663 and speak with Andrew. They're a Dinan shop and really know their stuff.
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Folks,

Dave Zeckhausen happens to be a retailer of Axxis pads (and a myriad of other performance products for cars) so understand that he cannot answer questions about prices nor make strong recommendations--he is a rare vendor with high moral/ethical fiber. Just contact him for that information off of the board and he will take care of you!
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I paid around $90. for my front Axxis pads from Dave and installed them myself. I am still using the OEM rears as they do not cause as much dust as the fronts. Working just fine for me.

YMMV.

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I paid around $90. for my front Axxis pads from Dave and installed them myself. I am still using the OEM rears as they do not cause as much dust as the fronts. Working just fine for me.

YMMV.

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I did exactly that on my 2001 530i...now the rears need replaced and I gotta find that secret hiding spot where I placed the rears I bought from Dave in 2003!!!
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I did exactly that on my 2001 530i...now the rears need replaced and I gotta find that secret hiding spot where I placed the rears I bought from Dave in 2003!!!
See, that was the thing that really convinced me that the Axxis has much less brake torque than stock. When you really drive the car hard, you'll find that the brake bias has shifted to the rear. I drove like that for a couple of weeks, and I had monster ABS insterference when trailbraking.
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I did exactly that on my 2001 530i...now the rears need replaced and I gotta find that secret hiding spot where I placed the rears I bought from Dave in 2003!!!
Did you try checking inside the box that's propping open your bathroom door?
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Nick, I think you misunderstood my post.

I put the Axxis D+ pads on the fronts maybe 2 years ago...just now (57k), the rears need replaced...they are still orginal.

On the other hand, now that I have an E39 with Axxis D+ fronts, stock OEM rears, and an E60 with stock OEM fronts and rears, it sure seems that the E60 stops much quicker than the E39 and with less brake effort.
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Nick, I think you misunderstood my post.

I put the Axxis D+ pads on the fronts maybe 2 years ago...just now (57k), the rears need replaced...they are still orginal.

On the other hand, now that I have an E39 with Axxis D+ fronts, stock OEM rears, and an E60 with stock OEM fronts and rears, it sure seems that the E60 stops much quicker than the E39 and with less brake effort.
Have you put the new pads on your E60 yet? If so, did you find the new clip design on the outboard pad to be interesting?
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Have you put the new pads on your E60 yet? If so, did you find the new clip design on the outboard pad to be interesting?
I haven't yet done it but I will post comments when I do! You've certainly piqued my interest...got pics on your site?
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I haven't yet done it but I will post comments when I do! You've certainly piqued my interest...got pics on your site?
Not yet. The outboard pad has a pair of clips that hook into the caliper. I expect they are designed to damp out vibration and cut down on either squealing or rattling. As soon as I perform an installation of a BBK on an E60 5-Series or an E65 7-Series, I'll know.
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