Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 5 Series > E39 (1997 - 2003)

E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-27-2006, 05:55 PM
Oscswa's Avatar
Oscswa Oscswa is offline
Oscar
Location: Dallas, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 640
Mein Auto: 330i Sport
540 died, won't start, engine and trans failsafe..Any Ideas?

Well this morning I turned on the 540, put it in reverse, went about a foot and car died. I am now getting Engine failsafe prog and Trans failsafe prog and the temp gauge moves into the red after a few seconds. Everything seems to be working but car will not crank or do anything, as if the starter was removed. I have ran diagnostics and here is the following codes that came back for IKE:
246 Data connection to drive and running-gear-control modules (CAN Bus)
247 Data connection to drive and running-gear-control modules (CAN Bus)
248 Data connection to drive and running-gear-control modules (CAN Bus)
251 Data connection to drive and running-gear-control modules (CAN Bus)

Anyone ever had this happen before?

I did a search and found only one person that had a faulty MAF, but their situation was a little different.

I am trying to save a little bit of $$ by fixing it on the spot and not having it towed.

Also, diagnostic is unable to communicate with DME.

Any ideas would be helpful.
__________________
Oscar
Dallas, TX

01 540i Sport
06 330i Sport
01 530i Sport
01 540i Sport 6spd

Reply With Quote
Ads by Google
  #2  
Old 12-27-2006, 05:58 PM
frhsfootball80 frhsfootball80 is offline
looking for a car
Location: keller, tx
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,575
Mein Auto: e39 m5 & 92 civic
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscswa View Post
Well this morning I turned on the 540, put it in reverse, went about a foot and car died. I am now getting Engine failsafe prog and Trans failsafe prog and the temp gauge moves into the red after a few seconds. Everything seems to be working but car will not crank or do anything, as if the starter was removed. I have ran diagnostics and here is the following codes that came back for IKE:
246 Data connection to drive and running-gear-control modules (CAN Bus)
247 Data connection to drive and running-gear-control modules (CAN Bus)
248 Data connection to drive and running-gear-control modules (CAN Bus)
251 Data connection to drive and running-gear-control modules (CAN Bus)

Anyone ever had this happen before?

I did a search and found only one person that had a faulty MAF, but their situation was a little different.

I am trying to save a little bit of $$ by fixing it on the spot and not having it towed.

Also, diagnostic is unable to communicate with DME.

Any ideas would be helpful.

damn oscar that doesnt sound good. why dont you ask your bro? hed probably kno more then anyone on the site.......cmon now.

on the other end i finally got my **** running right. 17mpg in the city ftmfw!!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-27-2006, 06:10 PM
Hotswimmer Hotswimmer is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Irvine, CA
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 441
Mein Auto: '98 BMW 540iA
Somwhere in the back of my mind - a fuse for the DME...? Let me do some digging and see if I can find it. This is vaguely familiar...
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-27-2006, 06:16 PM
Hotswimmer Hotswimmer is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Irvine, CA
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 441
Mein Auto: '98 BMW 540iA
Similar problem, another board, last post in the thread:

UPDATE: Finally took it into the dealer. It was Fuse #1 (in with the DME). Replaced and all is well.


Don't know if this will help you, but it might be worth looking in to.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-27-2006, 06:17 PM
Oscswa's Avatar
Oscswa Oscswa is offline
Oscar
Location: Dallas, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 640
Mein Auto: 330i Sport
Quote:
Originally Posted by frhsfootball80 View Post
damn oscar that doesnt sound good. why dont you ask your bro? hed probably kno more then anyone on the site.......cmon now.

on the other end i finally got my **** running right. 17mpg in the city ftmfw!!!!!
I have asked him, he was the one that helped me out over the phone to check alot of stuff and various modules. He told me he can fix it, but he needs to diagnose it first and wants me to have the car towed to his house. I was just trying to save some $$ on the towing by asking to see if anyone else has had this problem in the past before I have it towed this weekend.

The avarage towing price is $150 which I could save and use towards parts if someone has had this problem before.


Good to hear you got things working. I will have the diagnostic computer with me this weekend if you need to use it or clear out any faults. Let me know.
__________________
Oscar
Dallas, TX

01 540i Sport
06 330i Sport
01 530i Sport
01 540i Sport 6spd


Last edited by Oscswa; 12-27-2006 at 06:22 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-27-2006, 06:25 PM
Oscswa's Avatar
Oscswa Oscswa is offline
Oscar
Location: Dallas, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 640
Mein Auto: 330i Sport
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotswimmer View Post
Similar problem, another board, last post in the thread:

UPDATE: Finally took it into the dealer. It was Fuse #1 (in with the DME). Replaced and all is well.


Don't know if this will help you, but it might be worth looking in to.
Good to know, I have already checked the fuses but I didn't know there were additional fuses in the DME. I will check, this might explain why diagnostic can't communicate with DME.

Thanks, keep it comming guys.
__________________
Oscar
Dallas, TX

01 540i Sport
06 330i Sport
01 530i Sport
01 540i Sport 6spd

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-27-2006, 06:34 PM
frhsfootball80 frhsfootball80 is offline
looking for a car
Location: keller, tx
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,575
Mein Auto: e39 m5 & 92 civic
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscswa View Post
I have asked him, he was the one that helped me out over the phone to check alot of stuff and various modules. He told me he can fix it, but he needs to diagnose it first and wants me to have the car towed to his house. I was just trying to save some $$ on the towing by asking to see if anyone else has had this problem in the past before I have it towed this weekend.

The avarage towing price is $150 which I could save and use towards parts if someone has had this problem before.


Good to hear you got things working. I will have the diagnostic computer with me this weekend if you need to use it or clear out any faults. Let me know.
get taht U-haul ****. its like $30 an hour.

or do what my dad did. tie a chain to the car and drag it behind you in nuetral.

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-27-2006, 06:37 PM
Oscswa's Avatar
Oscswa Oscswa is offline
Oscar
Location: Dallas, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 640
Mein Auto: 330i Sport
Quote:
Originally Posted by frhsfootball80 View Post
get taht U-haul ****. its like $30 an hour.

or do what my dad did. tie a chain to the car and drag it behind you in nuetral.

That's actually not a bad idea..the uhaul thing, but it won't work. How the hell am I going to push the car up ramp. I need a wench!
__________________
Oscar
Dallas, TX

01 540i Sport
06 330i Sport
01 530i Sport
01 540i Sport 6spd

Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-27-2006, 06:43 PM
frhsfootball80 frhsfootball80 is offline
looking for a car
Location: keller, tx
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,575
Mein Auto: e39 m5 & 92 civic
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscswa View Post
That's actually not a bad idea..the uhaul thing, but it won't work. How the hell am I going to push the car up ramp. I need a wench!
you need help i can stop by haha. i was thinking of jacking the car up both sides and sliding the U haul thing in. man oscar your slacking today.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-27-2006, 09:39 PM
kishg's Avatar
kishg kishg is offline
E30 Maniac
Location: Northern NJ
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,461
Send a message via Skype™ to kishg
Mein Auto: too many bmws
Aaa ?
__________________
'91 SpecE30 #523
'03 540i/6 M-Sport
'00 Ford F-350 Dually Tow Vehicle
BMWCCA #360858 NASA #
128290
My Track Schedule
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-29-2006, 05:49 AM
Oscswa's Avatar
Oscswa Oscswa is offline
Oscar
Location: Dallas, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 640
Mein Auto: 330i Sport
AAA $123 to tow 100 miles is cheaper but I was looking more at under $100.

Well talking to my brother is looks like I might have a bad thermostat. I will need to disconnect the thermostat, check to see which DME fuse needs to be replaced and then run diagnostics again to see if I can communicate with DME or EGS. If I can communicate with DME then plug the thermostat back in and see if it pops the fuse. Re-run diagnostics again and realign DME before the car will start.

I will keep you guys posted.
__________________
Oscar
Dallas, TX

01 540i Sport
06 330i Sport
01 530i Sport
01 540i Sport 6spd

Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-29-2006, 07:30 AM
dagoo98's Avatar
dagoo98 dagoo98 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Brooklyn, NY
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 680
Mein Auto: 2011 BMW 750i M-Sport
Have you ever changed the coolant temp sensor? Did you smell a burning smell? If so refer to this post.....

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=164268
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-29-2006, 09:56 AM
Oscswa's Avatar
Oscswa Oscswa is offline
Oscar
Location: Dallas, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 640
Mein Auto: 330i Sport
Quote:
Originally Posted by dagoo98 View Post
Have you ever changed the coolant temp sensor? Did you smell a burning smell? If so refer to this post.....

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=164268
Thanks, this is exactly what I think the problem is. Like I said in the previous post, I am going to see if I can replace the fuse first to see if I can communicate with DME before changing out the temp sensor.
__________________
Oscar
Dallas, TX

01 540i Sport
06 330i Sport
01 530i Sport
01 540i Sport 6spd

Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-30-2006, 08:32 PM
Oscswa's Avatar
Oscswa Oscswa is offline
Oscar
Location: Dallas, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 640
Mein Auto: 330i Sport
Got the car started this morning. Busted fuse where the DME and EGS are located under the passenger side air filter. I replaced the fuse and then the car started, car drove great, but under closer inspection looks like the thermostat is going bad (which could be why the fuse blew). Parts was closed, so Tuesday is the soonest I can get a new thermostat. I took some pics and will post soon.
__________________
Oscar
Dallas, TX

01 540i Sport
06 330i Sport
01 530i Sport
01 540i Sport 6spd

Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-30-2006, 08:50 PM
HVACman HVACman is offline
Registered User
Location: Alameda County, California
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 40
Mein Auto: 530i, 2003
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscswa View Post
That's actually not a bad idea..the uhaul thing, but it won't work. How the hell am I going to push the car up ramp. I need a wench!
And after you get your wench - a winch might be helpfull.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 12-30-2006, 08:53 PM
98'Kashmere's Avatar
98'Kashmere 98'Kashmere is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Houston, Texas
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,238
Send a message via AIM to 98'Kashmere
Mein Auto: 99 540iA sport Blk/blk
__________________


1999 540i Cosmos Black Metallic. Pdc / Dsp / Sunshades / Heated seats / Navi / Hella Celis Tails / Xenons

Austin
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-30-2006, 08:57 PM
frhsfootball80 frhsfootball80 is offline
looking for a car
Location: keller, tx
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,575
Mein Auto: e39 m5 & 92 civic
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscswa View Post
Got the car started this morning. Busted fuse where the DME and EGS are located under the passenger side air filter. I replaced the fuse and then the car started, car drove great, but under closer inspection looks like the thermostat is going bad (which could be why the fuse blew). Parts was closed, so Tuesday is the soonest I can get a new thermostat. I took some pics and will post soon.
alright oscar, we both have our cars running right now, how about a frickin DFW meet. cmon man. im waiting on you.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-31-2006, 03:03 PM
Oscswa's Avatar
Oscswa Oscswa is offline
Oscar
Location: Dallas, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 640
Mein Auto: 330i Sport
Alright, count me in, were is the post?
__________________
Oscar
Dallas, TX

01 540i Sport
06 330i Sport
01 530i Sport
01 540i Sport 6spd

Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12-31-2006, 06:23 PM
frhsfootball80 frhsfootball80 is offline
looking for a car
Location: keller, tx
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,575
Mein Auto: e39 m5 & 92 civic
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscswa View Post
Alright, count me in, were is the post?
no i ment you start a thread.......haha......nobodys gonna come if i host a meet. cmon on seriously though we need to have a meet, specifically an E39 meet because i kno theres at least 7 of us in the dfw area that would show that have E39's
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01-09-2007, 12:03 PM
fireman5000 fireman5000 is offline
Registered User
Location: Atlanta
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 62
Mein Auto: 2001 BMW 540I
I had the same thing happen

My car is at the dealer right now for this same problem.

The car wouldnt start.
The dealer told me that I had to replace the Fuel Pump and Filter.
Then he came back and said I need to change the DME Main Computer System as well as the Thermostat and Wire Harness.
Im new to car formus and have owned my '01 540I for a year.

Couple of questions:
Did you replace the DME?
Where was the fuse for the DME? In the glovebox?
Did you replace the Thermostat?
Does anyone know a BMW repairman they trust in or arounf Atlanta?
Where can i read up about my 2001 540I?
Where can i get a manual (like the Hayes Manuals) to do repairs?

Thanks in advance for pointing me into the right direction

-David
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 01-09-2007, 04:46 PM
DoWnAqT DoWnAqT is offline
Registered User
Location: New Hampshire
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 22
Mein Auto: Changing all the time
maybe im in another ball park...but when i got my 528...the battery was dead...so i jump started it and it was in fail safe mode and everything......put a new battery in it.....still going now without the fail safe and what not
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 01-09-2007, 08:17 PM
Oscswa's Avatar
Oscswa Oscswa is offline
Oscar
Location: Dallas, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 640
Mein Auto: 330i Sport
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Suri View Post
My car is at the dealer right now for this same problem.

The car wouldnt start.
The dealer told me that I had to replace the Fuel Pump and Filter.
Then he came back and said I need to change the DME Main Computer System as well as the Thermostat and Wire Harness.
Im new to car formus and have owned my '01 540I for a year.

Couple of questions:
Did you replace the DME?
Where was the fuse for the DME? In the glovebox?
Did you replace the Thermostat?
Does anyone know a BMW repairman they trust in or arounf Atlanta?
Where can i read up about my 2001 540I?
Where can i get a manual (like the Hayes Manuals) to do repairs?

Thanks in advance for pointing me into the right direction

-David
I did not have the DME Replaced. It was just a fuse
The fuse is located under the passenger side cabin airfilter under the hood. It's a small grey box with 6 fuses located right next to the DME Computer. You have to slide the top off the grey box to get to the fuses and then replace the broken fuse.
Yes, I did replace the thermostat. I did not have to replace the wiring harnes though, but from what my brother has told me is that sometimes coolant gets pushed up the wiring harness due to a bad seal on the theromstat.
Sorry, don't know any Atlanta

Email me your cell phone number and we can talk to see if you have the same issue.
Oscar.Martinez@wnco.com
__________________
Oscar
Dallas, TX

01 540i Sport
06 330i Sport
01 530i Sport
01 540i Sport 6spd

Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 01-10-2007, 08:17 AM
dagoo98's Avatar
dagoo98 dagoo98 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Brooklyn, NY
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 680
Mein Auto: 2011 BMW 750i M-Sport
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscswa View Post
I did not have the DME Replaced. It was just a fuse
The fuse is located under the passenger side cabin airfilter under the hood. It's a small grey box with 6 fuses located right next to the DME Computer. You have to slide the top off the grey box to get to the fuses and then replace the broken fuse.
Yes, I did replace the thermostat. I did not have to replace the wiring harnes though, but from what my brother has told me is that sometimes coolant gets pushed up the wiring harness due to a bad seal on the theromstat.
Sorry, don't know any Atlanta

Email me your cell phone number and we can talk to see if you have the same issue.
Oscar.Martinez@wnco.com
The entire housing for the thermostat should also be replaced, I can't remember if the dealership sells it as an assembly but they should.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 01-10-2007, 11:38 AM
Oscswa's Avatar
Oscswa Oscswa is offline
Oscar
Location: Dallas, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 640
Mein Auto: 330i Sport
I took some pictures, I will post them soon to show where the fuse is.
__________________
Oscar
Dallas, TX

01 540i Sport
06 330i Sport
01 530i Sport
01 540i Sport 6spd

Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 01-12-2007, 07:39 AM
fireman5000 fireman5000 is offline
Registered User
Location: Atlanta
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 62
Mein Auto: 2001 BMW 540I
Thanks. Im replacing the battery, since the dealer said mine was leaking.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 5 Series > E39 (1997 - 2003)
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Trans Program car won't start eshwars E34 (1989 - 1995) 8 11-15-2011 06:18 PM
What is a '02 540 50K mile engine and trans worth? Reload E39 (1997 - 2003) 7 10-29-2006 06:25 PM
engine (or trans) rattling when turn off while shift in neutral mikeeeee New Member Introductions 1 08-29-2006 08:19 AM
CONVERTING 1995 525i ENGINE + TRANS bimmerider2004 E34 (1989 - 1995) 0 06-10-2005 11:30 PM
Trans. failsafe CFMBENSON E39 (1997 - 2003) 3 05-06-2005 09:24 AM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2011 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms