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Old 12-31-2002, 09:17 AM
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Re: An interesting window sticker tidbit...

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More shenanigans?
Hmm.... quite possible... What does your plant code in the VIN say? From what I understand from this whole discussion, that's the thing that gives it away.
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Old 12-31-2002, 11:52 AM
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Hmm.... quite possible... What does your plant code in the VIN say? From what I understand from this whole discussion, that's the thing that gives it away.
The plant code is and always has been "L" for Greer, SC.
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Both my '00 and '01 WBS M coupes have the same sticker information. Being an Eastern car it went to the VPC in SC.


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Old 12-31-2002, 06:06 PM
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Here is the way I think it works: foreign built BMWs destined for the VPC in Greer are offloaded from the ship n Charleston and trucked to Greer. All US built cars destined for a VPC other than Greer and sent on the return train trip back to Charleston and then put on another train to the other VPCs (or loaded on the boat to go overseas).


FYI- the VPC at Greer is at the end of the Z3 (er now Z4) production line.
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Unhappy This is weird...

My VIN is in conflict with many things on that list. For instance, digit #5 on my car is M wich translates to a M Coupe 00 (my car is a 1999!), later confirmed by the X on digit 10. Now the big question is the L on digit 11 which corresponds to Greer, S.C. plant (my car is "Euro spec with the S50B32 motor), yet when Ron once put my VIN on the ETK CD, it came back as ZA spec (South Africa)! After speaking with BMW of Africa, they told me my car could not be ZA specs because all ZA specs BMWs are right hand drive and my car is left hand drive (the same as in USA). In case anyone is interested, my VIN # is WBSCM9103XLB56588. So, where did BMW mess up?
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well i have no idea as to why it comes up as a south africa build spec,but there was a guy in houston who bought a z3 new and it came with the "hk traffic pro" and to my understanding there is no way no how that is a possibility unless it was a euro spec car
the traffic pro is supposed to be on a frequency that is not for the usa as per the govt.
im willing to bet that his vin comes up as euro spec and somehow it was sold here in the usa. i could be wrong will not be the first time but the way they treat the traffic pro i dont think they would have just slipped it in because they were out of the regular head unit. from what i remeber the dealer was very little help to the guy aswell they were even having trouble getting info on it .
whish mine was a euro spec with all the goodies.
if one was able to add all the Ron stygar mods( better engineered then the factory euro stuff) throw in a dash of leatherz trestment they would have one rare and badass z3 or m//z3
even though ron has already told you this here is a screen shot of etk car info is at bottomand it says ZA
GUS a question do you have the vertical aim control headlights or headlight washers
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Re: This is weird...

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My VIN is in conflict with many things on that list. For instance, digit #5 on my car is M wich translates to a M Coupe 00 (my car is a 1999!), later confirmed by the X on digit 10. Now the big question is the L on digit 11 which corresponds to Greer, S.C. plant (my car is "Euro spec with the S50B32 motor), yet when Ron once put my VIN on the ETK CD, it came back as ZA spec (South Africa)! After speaking with BMW of Africa, they told me my car could not be ZA specs because all ZA specs BMWs are right hand drive and my car is left hand drive (the same as in USA). In case anyone is interested, my VIN # is WBSCM9103XLB56588. So, where did BMW mess up?
Actually your VIN makes sense. I just think the list Ron sourced is somewhat incomplete and a 5th digit of "M" should be listed as M Coupe (99-00) just like "N" is as M Coupe (01-02).

As a mentioned in a previous post the list is also missing "M" as a valid 3rd digit value. My car, a 2002 US-spec M Coupe, is "5UMCN934...".

As fo the ETK showing your car as a "ZA-spec" I'm not surprised. The exported (from North America perspective) M Coupes all seem to have "LB5xxxx" series numbers and it probably wouldn't take much for the database referencing VINs to specification to get out of whack.
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Re: This is weird...

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My VIN is in conflict with many things on that list. For instance, digit #5 on my car is M wich translates to a M Coupe 00 (my car is a 1999!), later confirmed by the X on digit 10. Now the big question is the L on digit 11 which corresponds to Greer, S.C. plant (my car is "Euro spec with the S50B32 motor), yet when Ron once put my VIN on the ETK CD, it came back as ZA spec (South Africa)! After speaking with BMW of Africa, they told me my car could not be ZA specs because all ZA specs BMWs are right hand drive and my car is left hand drive (the same as in USA). In case anyone is interested, my VIN # is WBSCM9103XLB56588. So, where did BMW mess up?
I agree with ///M Rakete that the model year discrepancy is that the ETK is not complete, not that it is in error. There is no 99 M coupe listed.

Also I have found a rule of thumb (I have been told you can split the 4-7 digits of the VIN down, but from the ETK it says you can) is that the 7th digit of the VIN can be broken down as this: 1 = Euro spec car, 2 = LHD, 3= US car.
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Re: Re: This is weird...

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Also I have found a rule of thumb (I have been told you can split the 4-7 digits of the VIN down, but from the ETK it says you can) is that the 7th digit of the VIN can be broken down as this: 1 = Euro spec car, 2 = LHD, 3= US car.
Should 2 = RHD?
The VIN chart that I posted is from the 12/02 Mitchell Collision Estimating & Reference guide (Imported). It's like a pictured EPC with retail pricing and labor rates.


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Here's the little I know...

I basically have little clue about non-US VIN ranges.

VIN Breakdown...

1-3: Mfg. Code
WBS -- BMW M GmbH, Munich
5UM -- BMW MC, Greer, SC

4-6: Vehicle Description Section
Model Code (see below)

7: Further Model Info
1 - LHD Europe / non-US/NA
2 -- RHD (Right Hand Drive)
3 - LHD USA

8: Restraint System (only applies to US cars)
2-- Manual Seat Belts w/ Dual SRS Airbags
3-- Manual Seat Belts w/ Depowered Dual
SRS airbags (may have side airbags)
4-- Manual Seatbelts w/ Depowered Dual SRS airbags
with side airbags
Often "0" for non-US/NA cars

9: Check Digit

10: Model Year (applies to US cars and some non-US/NA)
T-1996, V-1997, W-1998, X-1999, Y-2000, 1-2001, 2-2002
Often, but not always, 0 for non-US/NA cars

11: Plant of Manufacture
L--Greer, SC USA (Always)

12-17: Serial Number (6 Digits, see below)

Model Codes:
CK9 M roadster (E36/7 S50/B32-S52/B32) Euro 1997-2000, US 1998-2000
CL9 M roadster (E36/7 S54/B32) 2001-2002
CM9 M coupe (E36/8 S50/B32-522/B32) Euro/US 1999-2000
CN9 M coupe (E36/8 S54/B32) 2001-2002

Serial Number Ranges:
1998 (W) 1999 (X) 2000 (Y) 2001 (1) 2002 (2)
M Roadster C85>C87? C88?>C89 C90>C93 J80 J82
M Roadster* B64?
M Coupe C60>C61 C61>C62 K60 K61
M Coupe * B56? B55?

* = Euro / non-US/NA
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Old 01-02-2003, 04:43 AM
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Re: Here's the little I know...

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I basically have little clue about non-US VIN ranges.

VIN Breakdown...

1-3: Mfg. Code
WBS -- BMW M GmbH, Munich
5UM -- BMW MC, Greer, SC

*snip*
Yes...slip of the finger on the RHD and LHD thing. 2 = RHD.

Also...it appears what you copied for VINs is what I put together a few years ago (hadn't updated it in probably 3 years). So that info is mine and going from some data and some observations of mine. So....take that info with a grain of salt as to absolute correctness.
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Yes...slip of the finger on the RHD and LHD thing. 2 = RHD.

Also...it appears what you copied for VINs is what I put together a few years ago (hadn't updated it in probably 3 years). So that info is mine and going from some data and some observations of mine. So....take that info with a grain of salt as to absolute correctness.
Digit 7 identifies LHD vs. RHD.

Digits 1 throught 3 are the Country of Origin, Mnaufacturer, and Manufacturer's Division/Unit.

Sorry about the confusion but the numbers that start the header for each section are the digit position in the VIN.

I've long forgotten where this originally came from (Thanks, sorry for no attribution) but I've done some research trying to verify it. Other than the incomplete VIN range listing (messed up as you see it formatted above) I feel pretty happy with it.
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Thanks for the replies. I do have the vertical adjustment feature for the headlights, but no washers.
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Ron - that guide looks like a great resource! Is the coupe coverage good? If so where'd you get it and how much?
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Ron - that guide looks like a great resource! Is the coupe coverage good? If so where'd you get it and how much?
Yes.
I have a one year subscription which gets you six issues, one every two months. It is $220ish plus shipping or so.
When I get the new one I sell the old for $40.00 plus shipping.
The December '02 one that I have will be available early February.
Will put your name on it if you want.
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