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E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
BMWs throw back to the iconic 2002, with a renewed form and function. The smallest car in BMW's line up but still packs a punch. Available in coupe or convertible, powered by either an inline 6 in the 128 or the twin turbo rocket sled 135.

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Old 07-02-2007, 09:26 PM
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In other words, an even smaller car with chittty gas mileage. Why can't they announce something more efficient than the de-tuned 3.0 128i? It's going to weigh almost as much as the outgoing 530i and will be no "greener" than cars BMW produced many years ago.

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In other words, an even smaller car with chittty gas mileage. Why can't they announce something more efficient than the de-tuned 3.0 128i? It's going to weigh almost as much as the outgoing 530i and will be no "greener" than cars BMW produced many years ago.
I'm with you 100% on this one.

This is the model I want, which will probably never see US shores:

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...particularly the 123d, which benefits from BMW's Efficient Dynamics program (Stop/Start, brake regeneration, active aero, etc). In addition to being rated at over 44 mpg (US) in the combined cycle. the 123d is gutsy. Its twin-turbocharged 1998cc diesel four-cylinder makes 204 horses -- that's over 100 hp/liter. The run to sixty takes 7 seconds and it tops out at 148 mph.
The performance numbers match those of my 2.5L E46 almost exactly (which I am more than satisfied with in a daily driver role), but with nearly twice the fuel efficiency.

I really don't care about the x35i. If I'm going to buy a car with that much power or more, it's going to be a lightweight track sled (i.e. <3000 lbs), not a lame street cruiser. I don't want a 6 cyl diesel, either - they're not nearly as efficient as the four cylinder versions and the engine blocks are heavy as hell, which make them even more bloated than their petrol equivalents.

If BMWNA can give me a hatch or wagon (or even a sedan) with a four cylinder diesel, I'm quite likely to buy it. All I want and expect from them these days is an agile, reasonably fun daily driver that doesn't weigh two tons and is actually more efficient than my existing daily (which uses technology that's nearly a decade old - and a basic engine design which dates back well over 15 years) - none of the current US-spec offerings really meets these requirements. These cars do exist (as indicated above), but BMWNA seems content not to give them to us. Perhaps they understand the typical American mentality far better than I give them credit for - after all, this is the country where a badge removal can only indicate that you're trying to hide the fact that you bought a cheaper/weaker/slower model. Four cylinder engine in a Beeaaamer? NevAR! I can exceed the legal speed limit a whole second faster than you can!

Sad as it is, I'd even be willing to give up some driving feel (which I'd inevitably be doing in buying a new-gen BMW) to get this - hell, I'd even tolerate leatherette again or standard crap (power seats etc) that I would never tack on otherwise. I don't need a 300 hp twin turbo for a daily driver and I don't want a 3700+ lb luxo-barge (i.e. the forthcoming M3) for the track! Surely there are many others living on US soil who think sensibly when making a car (esp. DD) purchase.

The only other model I can really hope for, assuming they don't eventually import one of the more efficient diesel 1er or 3er cars, is the supposed Z1/Z2 - but that's a roadster. I'd quite like to have something resembling usable cargo space should I need it.
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Yeah, I find my 330i disappointing in gas mileage, since it can't even hit its EPA ratings. Even driving in 6th gear like a grandma, I hit like 28 mpg rather than the rated 30 mpg.
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I was hoping for the hatch, but I suppose that would eat into MINI Cooper sales too much to be comfortable.
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Cloth would have been preferable to leathette.
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In any case, the 135 should be a huge success. One downside is that there will no longer be pressure to maintain low pricing and attractive financing on entry-level 3 series cars.
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Wow.. The sport package, xenons and the aero kit are standard on the 135i. That is awesome!
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What is the difference between the 1 series coupes and the 3 series coupes? Why would BMW makes two series of almost identical coupes? I see only a slight visual difference. The 1 series looks higher, maybe more headroom? Is the 1 series cheaper as the lower number might indicate?
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Yeah, I find my 330i disappointing in gas mileage, since it can't even hit its EPA ratings. Even driving in 6th gear like a grandma, I hit like 28 mpg rather than the rated 30 mpg.
Try 5th like a grandma.
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I'm with you 100% on this one.

This is the model I want, which will probably never see US shores:

The performance numbers match those of my 2.5L E46 almost exactly (which I am more than satisfied with in a daily driver role), but with nearly twice the fuel efficiency.

I really don't care about the x35i. If I'm going to buy a car with that much power or more, it's going to be a lightweight track sled (i.e. <3000 lbs), not a lame street cruiser. I don't want a 6 cyl diesel, either - they're not nearly as efficient as the four cylinder versions and the engine blocks are heavy as hell, which make them even more bloated than their petrol equivalents.

If BMWNA can give me a hatch or wagon (or even a sedan) with a four cylinder diesel, I'm quite likely to buy it. All I want and expect from them these days is an agile, reasonably fun daily driver that doesn't weigh two tons and is actually more efficient than my existing daily (which uses technology that's nearly a decade old - and a basic engine design which dates back well over 15 years) - none of the current US-spec offerings really meets these requirements. These cars do exist (as indicated above), but BMWNA seems content not to give them to us. Perhaps they understand the typical American mentality far better than I give them credit for - after all, this is the country where a badge removal can only indicate that you're trying to hide the fact that you bought a cheaper/weaker/slower model. Four cylinder engine in a Beeaaamer? NevAR! I can exceed the legal speed limit a whole second faster than you can!

Sad as it is, I'd even be willing to give up some driving feel (which I'd inevitably be doing in buying a new-gen BMW) to get this - hell, I'd even tolerate leatherette again or standard crap (power seats etc) that I would never tack on otherwise. I don't need a 300 hp twin turbo for a daily driver and I don't want a 3700+ lb luxo-barge (i.e. the forthcoming M3) for the track! Surely there are many others living on US soil who think sensibly when making a car (esp. DD) purchase.

The only other model I can really hope for, assuming they don't eventually import one of the more efficient diesel 1er or 3er cars, is the supposed Z1/Z2 - but that's a roadster. I'd quite like to have something resembling usable cargo space should I need it.
I'm with you!
The 123d in 3 or 5-door form would be an ideal vehicle for me-- decent performance, utility and great gas mileage. I think this would be a very forward-thinking move on their part as people (at least around here) are buying less SUVs and looking at wagons/hatches as more practical run-abouts.
BMW is bringing diesels to the US (along with most other mfrs) and I can't see why they would limit to just 6cyl+ engines (image, perhaps?... but 0-60 in 7secs for a car that gets 50+mpg seems like a good image to me!).

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=121452

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I understand the logic of those who want the miraculous 123d which would save your wallet, the planet, and the sexy blonde tied to the railroad track at the same time, but for me, just give me the juicy, dripping, 300 twin turbo toy please.

I got a 335 on a 2 year lease to wait for this thing, but had I known it would be available so soon, I would have kept the 330.

The 335 gave me better mileage than my 330i (about 2+ mpg better) while providing a greater turn of speed. Chugging 300lbs off coupled with the efficient dynamics tricks will no doubt improve gas mileage another 3-4mpg, which is all I really need.

Gimme the 135 already, please...
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Ho-hum......more gas hogs from Munich.

Wake me when they bring in diesels that burn vegetable oil.
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leatherette????

Oh well, I'll be putting seat covers in. Not wasting money on leather.
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Luxury car's don't have cloth. Since BMW in the US tries to be a Luxury car brand they won't ever offer cloth on a new model.

I just hope the Sport package has Sport seats with bolsters.
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Guess I'm one of the unwashed masses. Cloth is much nicer to me than plastic.
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Luxury car's don't have cloth. Since BMW in the US tries to be a Luxury car brand they won't ever offer cloth on a new model.
They offered it on the 2003-2006 330i Performance Package.

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