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E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
BMWs throw back to the iconic 2002, with a renewed form and function. The smallest car in BMW's line up but still packs a punch. Available in coupe or convertible, powered by either an inline 6 in the 128 or the twin turbo rocket sled 135.

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Old 07-27-2007, 11:57 PM
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BMW 1600 - 2002 vrs new 1 series. See brochure

I ran across this brochure of the BMW 1600 / 2002 from 1968 that I have had on my computer for a few years.. It takes me back to a bunch of great memories of the 1600, 2002, and 2002tii I had when I was young. I bought my first BMW when I was still in high school, it was used with 76,000 miles on it for $1700. I bought my 2002 for $1900 used the same year. By my senior year in high school I bought a 1972 2002tii used with ~60,000 miles on it for $3100. It was metallic blue and ran like a V8, or at least it felt like a V8. In fact I used to cruse our local State street in my tii looking to embarrass Mustangs with 289 V8s. To see the look of the drivers face of said Mustang when I blew there doors off in this little boxy looking car that at the time almost no one knew what it was as they say, priceless.

To put the 1 series and 3 series in perspective when compared to the 2002 Id like to remind us of some of the offerings in the early 1600 / 2002 BMWs. For starters they didnt have radios at all, no air conditioning, no power windows. The turn signal was on the Right side of the steering wheel, thats right, the Right side. The 1600 didnt even come with a tachometer; you had to move up to the 2002 to get the tachometer. Every thing in the car was there for a single purpose, to give the driver feed back from the car. Yes the steering wheel was the size of a bus steering wheel but the road feedback through that big steering wheel was amazing, truly amazing!

Back then BMW didnt use rack and pinion steering like they use today. An in my opinion the Worm and Roller steering offered way more road feel than does the Rack and Pinion type of steering that is used almost exclusively today. BMW also used a ridiculous amount of camber on the front struts which along with a bit of standard toe in alignment caused the steering to have a huge amount of self centering. By this I mean the 2002 would literally jerk the wheel back to the straight line position if you let the steering wheel go after completing a corner. It was not uncommon to be able to let the steering wheel go while driving on a straight section of road and have the car drive perfectly straight for miles, even over an over pass or two on the freeway.

The little 4 cylinder engine with a 1 barrel carburetor, and later with high pressure Mechanical fuel injection pulled like a tractor from very low RPMs, they had an amazingly wide torque range very similar to the 335i engine just not nearly as strong overall..

To me the most amazing thing about these early BMWs was that almost every car had its own personality, each one felt just a bit different, excelled just a bit diffenently from each other. Maybe one felt a bit stronger in the engine, while another had a bit tighter steering, while the next took bumps a bit better. They truly were unique cars.

While its nice to broadly compare the new BMWs to the old 2002s in todays world of Safety requirements, Emission requirements, iPods, Satellite Radio, computer controlled engines and electronics, GPS Navigation the old 2002 could never be re-created. But at least in my case I will always have the memories of the 2002 which will never be replaced with any car. BMW was then and in my humble opinion is still the Ultimate Driving Machine, while also meeting the requirements of todays demanding drivers for comfort and safety, features and new technologic must haves.

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Old 07-28-2007, 12:20 AM
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Nice write up. And thanks for the brochure

One thing that always gets me about old cars is the smell.
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Old 07-28-2007, 09:57 AM
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Power to weight ratio -

2002 - 2080lb/113hp = 18.4
135i - 3500lb/300hp = 11.6

Discuss.
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Old 07-28-2007, 05:38 PM
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The best thing about the 1600 was the price. I bought a new 1968 1600 for $2812 out the door in 1968. Of course it didn't have a radio and I only made $710 dollars a month but supported a family of five. Ain't inflation grand? It was a great car though I kept it 20 years and sold it to a friend for $1200 and he is still using it as a track car.
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Old 07-28-2007, 06:51 PM
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The best thing about the 1600 was the price. I bought a new 1968 1600 for $2812 out the door in 1968. Of course it didn't have a radio and I only made $710 dollars a month but supported a family of five. Ain't inflation grand? It was a great car though I kept it 20 years and sold it to a friend for $1200 and he is still using it as a track car.
That's awesome, what great cars they were
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Despite the moderator's comments to the contrary, I appreciated you posting it in the E90 forum. I would have never have seen it otherwise. Maybe if you left out the reference to the 1 Series he would not of found it objectionable (2002 vs E90). Those of us later on in our years own a 3 series in part because of our memories of the 1600 and 2002. Thanks again.
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Old 08-01-2007, 05:10 PM
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Despite the moderator's comments to the contrary, I appreciated you posting it in the E90 forum. I would have never have seen it otherwise. Maybe if you left out the reference to the 1 Series he would not of found it objectionable (2002 vs E90). Those of us later on in our years own a 3 series in part because of our memories of the 1600 and 2002. Thanks again.
Thanks for the comments.

I agree with you about owning the 3 series because of the fondness of the 2002s. I have been waiting for BMW to make a car that stirs the emotions like the 2002tii did since 76 when the first 318i came out. What a slow car that was. For me the 335i is the first car to do this. Sure the M3 has been around for a long time but at a big time premium price.

I posted this on both the 1er and 3er sites because BMW references the 3ers as an evolution car from the 2 series, and the 1er as todays version of the 2 series. I think the 1ers will indeed stir the same emotions of the early 2 series, again at a more affordable price.

Two times in the past year I would have been a disappointed BMW customer. The first time would have been if I would have purchased an 06 330i only to have it replaced a year later with the 335i for just a bit more money. The second time would be right now if I would have purchased an e92 with the 135i coming out in the spring of 08. Just my take on this, others may feel differently.

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Despite the moderator's comments to the contrary, I appreciated you posting it in the E90 forum. I would have never have seen it otherwise. Maybe if you left out the reference to the 1 Series he would not of found it objectionable (2002 vs E90). Those of us later on in our years own a 3 series in part because of our memories of the 1600 and 2002. Thanks again.
Please read the thread title. It's about 1-Series, that's why it's been moved here.

Glad we could draw your attention to the 1-Series forum. See, leaving the E90 forum and reading other forums is not that scary at all. If I didn't put a link in the closed thread on the E90 forum, you would probably have never seen the 1-Series forum.

This is not about me personally finding the content objectionable, it's the content itself. I never act on my personal preferences.
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I ran across this brochure of the BMW 1600 / 2002 from 1968...
Thanks for the brochure and the reminiscing. My girlfriend brought the first BMW to Louisville from San Francisco in 1968, a 1600 that drove like a jewel. It was another year before a dealer started up. I then had two 2002s, a 1971 and a 1974, keeping the latter until 1995. The 128 has gotten me interested in getting back into a BMW.
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Thanks for the brochure and the reminiscing. My girlfriend brought the first BMW to Louisville from San Francisco in 1968, a 1600 that drove like a jewel. It was another year before a dealer started up. I then had two 2002s, a 1971 and a 1974, keeping the latter until 1995. The 128 has gotten me interested in getting back into a BMW.
Great story about you girlfriends 1600.

I am loving my new 335i Sedan, for me it's kind of like going back home in some way. In 1972 My brother and I visited my sister who at the time was living outside of Munich with her then husband who was in the Army. We toured the BMW Museum and took the Munich factory tour. I still remember watching new 2002tiis being ran on the rollers at the end of the production line thinking what a great job that would be to drive the first few miles on just built BMWs running them up through the gears. I was only 13 at the time but was destined to own one of these great cars. A few years later my whole family owned BMWs. Then it seems like we went after the perceived value of the Japanese cars owning several brands, some good some not so good.

Now all these years later its like going back a bit in time for me, especially since my wife and I just took the same Munich factory tour in May. Driving my new 335i through the same towns I toured as a kid in Germany was a real joy.

The more I drive my new BMW the more I love it. I should have done this several years earlier.
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