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E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:29 PM
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135i / M3 discussion

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It seems like the whole auto world here is stoked for getting the 135i. It harks back to the smaller, very nimble, and very quick cars of BMW's past..notably the E30 M3. What dawned on me though, is that each M3 after that gen has gotten a bit more..heavier...less impactful..etc. Sorta like the R32 GTR and the R33 and R34 after that..they were awesome cars (as are the E46 and E92), yet they never truly did what the R32 did (like be banned from numerous racing circuits).

So thus I pose the question..is the 135i..a small sports coupe with 300bhp..more M3- in the true, historical sense of it- than the E92 M3?
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:34 PM
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I won't have a clue until I test drive one, but I'll bet the 135 will have huge potential with minor tuning and some modest weight loss.
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:45 PM
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The big difference, performance wise, between the E92 M3 and the 135 will be the acceleration times of 30-50mph and 50-70mph, etc. I suppose those who can afford the upcoming M3 won't even consider the 135. Now, if BMW builds a much lighter M version of the 1 with a TT 4cyl, LSD, and no understeer, then that would be truly harkening back to BMWs of old and might take some thunder away from the E92 M3.
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Old 11-10-2007, 10:26 PM
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I don't think someone in the market for a new M3 is going to be swayed by the 135 any more than they would be swayed by the 335. Unless of course they're willing to spend some of the hefty price difference to add some M to the 135.
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Actually, I'm in the market for a new car to replace an E36 M3. I thought the 135i would be it until i read the disappointing performance reviews. Don't want to be a 1-man research outfit to bring the 135 up to it's full potential.
I can afford the E92 M3 and have started looking at it much more seriously after the first set of 135i reviews came out. If it turns out to be asevery-day drivable as my E36, I may well buy it.

Why is it that we get options on parking assist, comfort access, and burl walnut, and are left to our own devices and aftermarket for sways, shocks and LSD?

All I want is a really nice-handling car without the electronics doodads fetooned all over it.
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Actually, I'm in the market for a new car to replace an E36 M3. I thought the 135i would be it until i read the disappointing performance reviews. Don't want to be a 1-man research outfit to bring the 135 up to it's full potential.
I can afford the E92 M3 and have started looking at it much more seriously after the first set of 135i reviews came out. If it turns out to be asevery-day drivable as my E36, I may well buy it.

Why is it that we get options on parking assist, comfort access, and burl walnut, and are left to our own devices and aftermarket for sways, shocks and LSD?

All I want is a really nice-handling car without the electronics doodads fetooned all over it.
If you want a car without all the electronic hindrance, then the E92 M3 probably isn,t your best best. I would suggest a low mileage E46 M3 or CSL (if you can find one).
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Actually, I'm in the market for a new car to replace an E36 M3. I thought the 135i would be it until i read the disappointing performance reviews. Don't want to be a 1-man research outfit to bring the 135 up to it's full potential.
I can afford the E92 M3 and have started looking at it much more seriously after the first set of 135i reviews came out. If it turns out to be asevery-day drivable as my E36, I may well buy it.

Why is it that we get options on parking assist, comfort access, and burl walnut, and are left to our own devices and aftermarket for sways, shocks and LSD?

All I want is a really nice-handling car without the electronics doodads fetooned all over it.
Buy a GT2 or GT3.
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Old 11-11-2007, 04:09 PM
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I hear ya, guys, but $80k is my limit, and I do want a NEW car. One I can break in myself.
If I had to pick aq car today, it's be an S5, but I really do hope the 135i handling issues can be sorted out without a lot of flap 'n flail.
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If it has to be new, your short list should be:

RS4 or RS5 (S5 is too soft)
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M coupe ($7000 incentive!)
Cayman S? (dunno how far under $80k that is).
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The 135i is still a sub $40k coupe w/ no "M" credentials except some bits of bodywork and maybe the brakes. I haven't seen a single car mentioned as a "competitor" to the 135i that's anywhere near the same price range. Maybe BMW should have announced the M1 first and then the 135i to keep the expectations reasonable.

When BMW hinted that they expected the 135i to be a popular track car, I don't think they meant it was going to be in tip-top track shape straight off the showroom floor.

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Honestly I think the Cayman S (and even the normal Cayman) will be "nicer" than the 135i in most respects. But hey, it's like $30K more expensive. It's not a real competitor to the 135i. Like a few others have said, in the $35K and below category, the 135i will have the entire market beat.
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If I had 80K budget, I will get the Nissan GTR. 480 hp with 3.5s 0-60.
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If it has to be new, your short list should be:

RS4 or RS5 (S5 is too soft)
135i
M coupe ($7000 incentive!)
Cayman S? (dunno how far under $80k that is).
I can't beleive I ddin't remember the new M Coupe- probably because I never see them on the road. One of the nicest looking Beemer's they've produced in the last 10 years. My brother just picked up his Cayman S for under $65k with the Sport Chrono Pack and 911 19" wheels. I don't know if I could justify spending that much on a car right now, but it is truly a top notch car in the handling department for sure.
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If I had 80K budget, I will get the Nissan GTR. 480 hp with 3.5s 0-60.
I love the specs on this car, but the design? I think they spent too much time in the windtunnel shaping this car because it looks like the lead designer is still trapped in the 80s. Also, with all of the hype, I think it will be nearly impossible to get one of these for that price.
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If I had 80K budget, I will get the Nissan GTR. 480 hp with 3.5s 0-60.
This thread started with a question about the 135, and now we're into an 80K budget. What the heck is going on?
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This thread started with a question about the 135, and now we're into an 80K budget. What the heck is going on?
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:23 AM
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Lotus Elise or Exige?

My favorite track and sports car is the Lotus Elise and Exige S.

Nothing can beat it for under 60k as far as pure sports car nirvana. Granted, its tiny
and not practical but its the closest to a real go cart experience! I test drove one and hit the curves and twisties at 90 and it stuck like glue!

My second choice would be the Cayman S.

I like the Audi S5/RS4 but very soft compared to the Lotus or Cayman.

I love BMW but wish they would make lighter more track focused cars instead of bloated heavy sedans with powerful engines and handling. I want BMW to make a rally track car like the old 2002tii or original M3 that was light and quick.

Its so sad what BMW is doing to making their cars heavy.
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My favorite track and sports car is the Lotus Elise and Exige S.

Nothing can beat it for under 60k as far as pure sports car nirvana. Granted, its tiny
and not practical but its the closest to a real go cart experience! I test drove one and hit the curves and twisties at 90 and it stuck like glue!

My second choice would be the Cayman S.

I like the Audi S5/RS4 but very soft compared to the Lotus or Cayman.

I love BMW but wish they would make lighter more track focused cars instead of bloated heavy sedans with powerful engines and handling. I want BMW to make a rally track car like the old 2002tii or original M3 that was light and quick.

Its so sad what BMW is doing to making their cars heavy.
BINGO!!!

I could not have said it better myself. Lotus is fantastic. I had a spec miata for a while that was incredible fun as well. There is a common thread to all of these cars.... WEIGHT.
BMW doesn't care about weight anymore since the average buyer doesn't care. Here is a depressing number for you:

A 2007 Buick Lucerne CXL weighs.....3764! Only about 100 lbs more than a new M3! That is absolutely unexceptable. Is BMW making all of their sound deadening out of lead? Can the car be used as a fallout shelter?
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Actually, I'm in the market for a new car to replace an E36 M3. I thought the 135i would be it until i read the disappointing performance reviews. Don't want to be a 1-man research outfit to bring the 135 up to it's full potential.
I can afford the E92 M3 and have started looking at it much more seriously after the first set of 135i reviews came out. If it turns out to be asevery-day drivable as my E36, I may well buy it.

Why is it that we get options on parking assist, comfort access, and burl walnut, and are left to our own devices and aftermarket for sways, shocks and LSD?

All I want is a really nice-handling car without the electronics doodads fetooned all over it.
+ 1 i too am looking at the M3 but would consider the 135 more seriously if it had a performance package that would sort out the handling and power delivery (lsd). i'm thinking the m3 is getting too portly...
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If it has to be new, your short list should be:

RS4 or RS5 (S5 is too soft)
135i
M coupe ($7000 incentive!)
Cayman S? (dunno how far under $80k that is).
RS4/RS5 is gonna break the 80k limit with options plus those are more portly than the e92 M3. Cayman s can be had for substantial discounts. definitely under 80k.
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Why are we comparing a 135 to an M3, let alone Cayman, GT-R, RS4, or Lotus?!?

The 135 is supposed be a blend of those cars, watered down for everyday use. BMW has shifted its focus, yes. Many people are sad about this, but it did not happen suddenly, nor without reason. A company like BMW simply follows the customer. Would it be nice to get back to the "roots" of the company? Yes, yes it would. But the world outside of this forum may have a hard time swallowing a real "enthusiast" car from BMW, a "luxury/sport" manufacturer. When people think of BMW now, like it or not, they think more Mercedes Benz than Lotus. Lexus, Audi, BMW, and MB may have started off in separate niches, but they are fast approaching the same endgame - fat cars heavy on luxury, horsepower, and safety.

This is being overly simplistic, but it's like the old adage about shoes. With a shoe, you can have 2 of 3 things - Cost, Style, Quality. You may get a cheap, stylish shoe, but odds are it will quickly wear out or mangle your foot. If you want Style and Quality, you're going to pay for it. Similarly, there is only so much Performance you can have with Luxury, tempered of course by Cost. The 135 may be less posh than a Bentley, but it is a far sight nicer than a Kia. It may not corner like an Elise, but it will outrun an RX-8. It also far excels in the Cost category.

As for the M3, at this point yes, it is becoming something of a almost-luxury, almost-super car. I bet a lot of the customers for the new M3 are 50 or older, and plan to do little if any track runs with it. Still, if you do want to take her to a track, the M3 was always going to be better than the 135.

In spirit, I say the 135 (especially the tii concept) is closer than anything to what many of us hope BMW 'stands for'. The M division started out as a half-dozen lunatics in a garage building actual racecars, so I'm not going to try to say which car is more "M".
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What I meant is that to me, "M" means cutting-edge performance. And neither the 135 nor the E92 M3 are about that. To my eyes, anyway. The M3 would have to win by default, but I agree with postings elsewhere; its grown bloated and puts too much focus on the "cutting-edge" rather than the "performance". IMHO, YMMV, etc etc.

Also, in the interest of completeness, I forgot to mention Infiniti as one of the brands desperately trying to one-up each other by becoming the same.
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