335 vs 535

Hey guys,
I'm looking to buy an 07' 335 an 07' 535
Can you help me with some basics please.
What is the 0-60 difference?
What is the top speed difference?
Which is a stronger longer lasting tranny? Auto? OR Manual?
Are those numbers the exact same when compared to the 09 model?
Any and all other notes an thoughts are appreciated.
Thomas

The 335i is much quicker, but most make the decision based on interior space needs.

The 535 is much bigger, inside and out.

I was noticing the difference tonight as I drove my wife's S80. Definitely feels (and is) bigger inside than my car. It was me, wife, kid and my mom in the car tonight so we took the S80. I was kind of bummed because I wanted to take my 328 and we could have. But we were talking in the car (S80) and said how nice it would be to have a 5 series...maybe next time!

Just as a side note there's no such thing as a 2007 535i even though I'm sure they started selling these rather early in 2007 as a 2008 model.

Also it is categorically not true that 335i is "much" faster than a 535i. The weight differential is something like 70-80 lbs and unless the 335i is a coupe the drag coefficient is pretty much the same. So we are talking 1-2 mph difference in the run to the quarter and 1-2 ticks in 0-60.

Never been in a 335 Cp, but the 535 felt very fast; on the entrance ramp to I75, doing about 35 we climbed to 100 without any hesitation.
Needless to say I was all smiles while my friend was driving

Unless you need the space, I'd get the 335 and save some money.

Top speed: both are speed-limited at 155 (I believe) with the ZSP.
The 535 also doesn't look ass "aggressive" like the 335 does, because of a lack of dual-exhaust. the 535 exhaust look the same as he 528.

Originally Posted by meina222

Just as a side note there's no such thing as a 2007 535i even though I'm sure they started selling these rather early in 2007 as a 2008 model.

Also it is categorically not true that 335i is "much" faster than a 535i. The weight differential is something like 70-80 lbs and unless the 335i is a coupe the drag coefficient is pretty much the same. So we are talking 1-2 mph difference in the run to the quarter and 1-2 ticks in 0-60.

The drag times say the 535 is detuned, the times I've seen are 14.0s in the quarter at 100-102mph vs 13.5-13.7 @ 104 mph for the 335, and 13.3s @104 for the 135(200lb lighter than the 335). Edmunds inside line also tested the 535 at 5.4s to 60 and the 335 at 4.8s. The exhaust systems are clearly different and the 535 may be slightly detuned to be less noisy(maybe the wastegate is left open to keep it quiet). Obviously the times are too far apart for the 70 lb differrence to be the reason. Still, the 535 is plenty fast.

Be sure you're aware of the HPFP problems with those cars.

I do not trust car and driver's or edmund's launches. These are done in a way that 99% of the drivers in this forum cannot replicate. Also they are done with test cars provided by BMW with who knows what ECU and exhaust tunings (I have never seen this sub 5 number confirmed by any real driver, heck they got 5.9 on 328i manual!!!) and I'm pretty sure the 4.8 was a figure they got in a 335 manual while the 5.4 was in 535i auto. Also was it sport? So yeah you wanna abuse your car maybe you can get the lower resistance and slightly lighter coupe to squeeze ahead.

Originally Posted by meina222

I do not trust car and driver's or edmund's launches. These are done in a way that 99% of the drivers in this forum cannot replicate. Also they are done with test cars provided by BMW with who knows what ECU and exhaust tunings (I have never seen this sub 5 number confirmed by any real driver, heck they got 5.9 on 328i manual!!!) and while the 5.4 was in 535i autoaI'm pretty sure the 4.8 was a figure they got in a 335 manual. Also was it sport? So yeah you wanna abuse your car maybe you can get the lower resistance nd slightly lighter coupe to squeeze ahead.

You are mistaken, the auto and manual have produced nearly identical times, as have the coupe and sedan.

Edmunds tested both, here is the auto
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=117669

the auto times for the 1/4 were way better than the 535:

"Our 335i similarly scalded the quarter-mile in 13.3 seconds at 105.9 mph"

here is C/D with the auto:

http://www.caranddriver.com/buying_g...take_road_test

"BMW forecasts 0-to-60-mph times of 5.3 seconds for the 335i. Judging by our Tirol touring, we thought this was conservative, a premonition that was vindicated when a 335i showed up at Hogback HQ as this issue was going to bed - just time enough for some formal test data: 0 to 60 in 4.9 seconds and the quarter-mile in 13.6 at 105 mph."

ANd of course the 535 tested also at edmunds:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=124629



there are also a ton of dragslips on the internet supporting that many drivers get the same 1/4 mile performance. The auto is easy to launch, just rev to 2500rpm(DSC off) against the brake and let it fly. Regardless of launch, the trap speeds of the edmunds test 100.4mph for the 535 is the slowest trap(by 3mph) ever reported by a mag for an N54 powered car. Trap speeds that are 4-5 mph different with only 70 lbs difference in weight indicate HP differences, its not about the launch. BMW reprogrammed the wastegate opening on the 335 to make it more quiet a few years back and the results were not good, they were met by a howl of protest from owners.

Again the under 5 0-60 numbers of stock 335i's are yet to be proven by any real drivers. Can anyone come on this forum and they say they clocked theirs at 4.8? I have seen mutitple tests of 5.2. Until someone can consistently hit the sub 5's I don't buy this number.

So let's say you can consistently hit 5.2 in a coupe and 5.5 in a 535i. And 13.5/13.7 (which are most of the numbers I see for 335i's on forums) and 14 for 535. Does this make 335i much faster? By a race driver's measure perhaps. By daily driver's - hardly.

Originally Posted by ROCKYTOP2

Hey guys,
I'm looking to buy an 07' 335 an 07' 535
Can you help me with some basics please.
What is the 0-60 difference?
What is the top speed difference?
Which is a stronger longer lasting tranny? Auto? OR Manual?
Are those numbers the exact same when compared to the 09 model?
Any and all other notes an thoughts are appreciated.
Thomas

Performance aside, I noticed the 5 is better built inside the cabin. Far fewer rattles and squeaks are heard within. The interior room is far superior to the 3 series, including the trunk. Performance differences are negligible, and could be attributed to the exhaust routing differences, probably designed for better sound insulation. As for the tranny selection, I have always went with MT for BMWs, if I planned to keep them, and the 5 series is no exception.

Originally Posted by meina222

Again the under 5 0-60 numbers of stock 335i's are yet to be proven by any real drivers. Can anyone come on this forum and they say they clocked theirs at 4.8? I have seen mutitple tests of 5.2. Until someone can consistently hit the sub 5's I don't buy this number.

So let's say you can consistently hit 5.2 in a coupe and 5.5 in a 535i. And 13.5/13.7 (which are most of the numbers I see for 335i's on forums) and 14 for 535. Does this make 335i much faster? By a race driver's measure perhaps. By daily driver's - hardly.

the same drivers using the same techniques on cars that have the same trannys, only an ostrich wouldnt suspect something out of whack here. The VW passat 3.6L has recorded 1/4 mi trap speeds of 100mph with its 280 hp in a 3650lb car with the same drivers getting 100.4mph in the 535i. The passat launches terribly and gets to 60 1/2 sec slower than the 535, and 0.3s slower in the 1/4 mile(14.3), but the trap speeds are an indication of HP, and its not far off there.

We are talking about maybe 15 hp detuning of the 535, and the trap speeds dont need a good launch to verify that the 535 has lower trap speeds. You just cant argue the traps its pretty clear the 5er is down 10-15 hp, as the 135 is 200 lbs lighter and has the same trap speeds as the 335. If you want a faster 5er get a chip, a 550i or an M5.

Originally Posted by meina222

Again the under 5 0-60 numbers of stock 335i's are yet to be proven by any real drivers. Can anyone come on this forum and they say they clocked theirs at 4.8? I have seen mutitple tests of 5.2. Until someone can consistently hit the sub 5's I don't buy this number.

So let's say you can consistently hit 5.2 in a coupe and 5.5 in a 535i. And 13.5/13.7 (which are most of the numbers I see for 335i's on forums) and 14 for 535. Does this make 335i much faster? By a race driver's measure perhaps. By daily driver's - hardly.

I'm not sure any members of this forum actually own a GPS VBOX, the equipment required to prove or disprove such a claim. A stock automatic 335i can do 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. It can also run 5.5 seconds. Many variables. The manuals are normally .2ths slower than the autos. With a tune on stock tires you can get in the 4.2 range, and with a tune on drag radials 3.9 is doable. I've run 3.5 in our development 335i with race gas and drag radials.

With regard to the 535i we've tuned 150-200 of them. They run very strong, its just a lot slower than the 335i. So take that in to account when making the purchase decision. Like I said earlier most people that take the 535i don't take it for performance reasons.

FWIW,

I recommend you drive each car over the streets and roads you travel on a regualr basis to see how they handle road irregularities. In my own case, I got tired of the harshness of my former 3 series sedan and traded it in on my current 5 series, which I find much more livable on the roads I travel.

In both cases, the cars were X-drive with the standard 17" all season tires.

Bruce