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E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
BMWs throw back to the iconic 2002, with a renewed form and function. The smallest car in BMW's line up but still packs a punch. Available in coupe or convertible, powered by either an inline 6 in the 128 or the twin turbo rocket sled 135.

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Old 06-30-2009, 06:38 PM
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Documentation Fee?

Is the documentation fee that seems to be on most dealers sales orders a legitimate charge, like MACO and Training, or should it have been something I considered to be more pure profit for the dealer. I got what I thought was a great deal on an ordered car, $200 over invoice, but then there was another $200 or so for the Doc. fee. Either way, I'm happy with the deal, but I just wonder if it's something every dealer charges, or if it's just a way to get a little more profit from a tight deal. Thanks in advance.

P.S. PLEASE help relieve my fears that I may have made the wrong decision. I love the 135i coupe that I ordered, but I'm HORRIBLE when it comes to making decisions. The other cars that were in the mix were the 335 x-drive sedan, and the 135i convertible. I went with the 135i coupe because I thought it offered the best drive, was more exclusive compared to the 3 series, and wound up obviously coming out to the cheapest price out of the three.lol Basically, PLEASE tell me you're enjoying your 135i, so that the next 6 to 8 weeks of wait time will be less of a worry for me.lol
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:16 PM
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The doc fee is profit, but not gross profit for your CA. Think of it as a contribution to the owner's 401k plan. $200 is cheap, lots have higher doc fees. I've owned quite a few BMWs and I like the 135 vert the best.
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Old 06-30-2009, 08:31 PM
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I guess my main question would be, aren't the "training fee" and "MACO fee" also just other words for profit as well? I mean, when I worked out the actual invoice from the pdf files listed on here, there's an $825 destination fee, $180 training fee, and then $300 dollar MACO fee. Even though I know each of these has an explanation, they still don't actually go towards the price of the car itself, like the invoice of the car itself or the price of the options you choose. In a sense, isn't the Doc. fee just as much of an "extra" as the other fees I mentioned, or is it less "above board"? As you said, if all dealers seem to have it, then I don't feel like I got ripped off. On top of that, unless I'm off base, I think $200 over invoice, or $400 over invoice if the Doc. fee is included, still seems like a good deal to me on a car that's ordered, not taken out of the dealer's inventory. Do you think I could have done better? I guess I should have asked that before I ordered the car?lol When I worked it out on Edmunds TMV, they showed a much larger profit margin for dealers on the 135i coupe right now, about $1100-1200 over invoice, while TrueCar showed it to fall more in the $500 over invoice on a "good deal", but around $100 over invoice on a "great deal". The dealer offered me an even closer deal on one of the 1's she had in stock, but it didn't have the options I wanted.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:39 AM
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whenever i buy a car, i usually ask for the "out the door" price. i dont want to know the breakdown. i just demand that they come up with a figure of invoice plus 200 plus sales tax. any other fees like training and doc fees can come out of the 200 over invoice that i offered. if they dont like it, i walk out. the "client advisors" aka sales rats usually call me back with the deal i want.
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I guess my main question would be, aren't the "training fee" and "MACO fee" also just other words for profit as well? I mean, when I worked out the actual invoice from the pdf files listed on here, there's an $825 destination fee, $180 training fee, and then $300 dollar MACO fee. Even though I know each of these has an explanation, they still don't actually go towards the price of the car itself, like the invoice of the car itself or the price of the options you choose. In a sense, isn't the Doc. fee just as much of an "extra" as the other fees I mentioned, or is it less "above board"? As you said, if all dealers seem to have it, then I don't feel like I got ripped off. On top of that, unless I'm off base, I think $200 over invoice, or $400 over invoice if the Doc. fee is included, still seems like a good deal to me on a car that's ordered, not taken out of the dealer's inventory. Do you think I could have done better? I guess I should have asked that before I ordered the car?lol When I worked it out on Edmunds TMV, they showed a much larger profit margin for dealers on the 135i coupe right now, about $1100-1200 over invoice, while TrueCar showed it to fall more in the $500 over invoice on a "good deal", but around $100 over invoice on a "great deal". The dealer offered me an even closer deal on one of the 1's she had in stock, but it didn't have the options I wanted.
No, training and MACO are part of the invoice the dealer pays to BMW just like the destination charge. These things ARE part of the price of the car. You couldn't have done better and that they would order a car on that basis shows how desperate they are.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:10 PM
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Thanks for making me feel better about my final deal. I thought it was good, but just wanted to be sure. I was a little worried, as I didn't need to haggle at all. I went back to the dealership to drive my final choices so many times that I feel my saleswoman actually deserved every penny. Now, if only I could feel secure in my decision to buy the 135i coupe versus the 335 x-drive.lol Fun and excitement seemed to win out over practicality. : )
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