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E46 (1999 - 2006)
The fourth generation 3 Series (E46 chassis) was introduced in 1999 and set the standard for engineering and performance during it's years of production including being named to Car & Driver's 10 best list every one of those years! ! -- View the E46 Wiki

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Old 10-07-2009, 03:12 PM
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Those were mine, taken in my garage. Had a little bit of a toe in problem .

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Same here. Taking it for alignment on Saturday as they were too busy to do it today.
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Old 10-07-2009, 07:15 PM
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I'm going into my 3rd winter with my 320i (yes..a 320, Canada and Europe only...2.2l 6) in one of the harshest environments anywhere...Atlantic Canada. I've driven the thing in everything from -35 (Celsius) degree weather, to raging snowstorms, freezing rain, you name it. With a good set of winter tires, and DSC turned on, I don't want to drive anything else in winter. Of course, if there's enough snow for the bottom to drag on, you'll get stuck. Mind you, that applies to all vehicles, I've gotten stuck like that in a 4-wheel drive pickup truck.
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Old 10-07-2009, 07:38 PM
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i actually found it fun driving through 5 inches of snow with my summer tires, especially on empty roads and parking lots where you can drift
just had a little bit of a hard time when it was melting and going up hills
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Old 10-07-2009, 08:09 PM
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i actually found it fun driving through 5 inches of snow with my summer tires, especially on empty roads and parking lots where you can drift
just had a little bit of a hard time when it was melting and going up hills
Dangerous & stupid....(in the extreme)
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Old 10-07-2009, 08:30 PM
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Dangerous & stupid....(in the extreme)
agreed. I made the mistake of driving my original Michelin Pilots into the first snow of the season one winter. I was lucky but never again.
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Old 10-07-2009, 08:57 PM
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Dangerous & stupid....(in the extreme)
I got the car at the end of february so i didn't get winter tires and the 5 inches was the day we had a snowstorm and i had no choice but to drive my car
i also realize it was extremely stupid and i'll probably be getting some winter tires this year
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Old 10-07-2009, 09:02 PM
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I got the car at the end of february so i didn't get winter tires and the 5 inches was the day we had a snowstorm and i had no choice but to drive my car
i also realize it was extremely stupid and i'll probably be getting some winter tires this year
I thought only people from Vancouver used summer tires in winter
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:55 PM
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Driver skill >>> whatever car and tires you have. If you're smart, you can get around in whatever car you have, with whatever tires you have, so long as the snow doesn't actually push your car's chassis off the ground due to clearance.

That said, I've long since learned RWD cars can get along just fine in wintertime if you are willing to invest in winter tires (usually accompanied by an extra set of rims). I have an Xi, but wouldn't do that again now that I know and have seen what I have.

Incidentally, about the "whatever car you have" bit -- when I was in college, I drove past 4WD trucks in my FWD Nissan Sentra with all-seasons. I could do this because I actually understood the idea of how to drive in the snow -- don't spin your wheels, go easy, drive slow enough to meet the conditions, and be aware of momentum & mass. I once got chewed out by a truck driver as I passed him ... he was in the ditch, I was creeping along and leaving a trail in the snow behind my car
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Old 10-08-2009, 03:42 AM
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Same here. Taking it for alignment on Saturday as they were too busy to do it today.
So are you changing summer ZR to all season for winter?
I was thinking to keep them on during the winter, but just don't drive on snow days, I have a truck for this proposes. We don't have a lot snow here Baltimore/DC area, may be 3-4 times for whole season. Even so after snow day roads are getting clear in day or two.
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:40 AM
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So are you changing summer ZR to all season for winter?
I was thinking to keep them on during the winter, but just don't drive on snow days, I have a truck for this proposes. We don't have a lot snow here Baltimore/DC area, may be 3-4 times for whole season. Even so after snow day roads are getting clear in day or two.
The problem with driving summer tires in winter (even if there`s no snow) is that the cold weather (below 35 degrees F) causes the rubber compound to stiffen up, drastically changing the tires` handling characteristics (*especially* in the wet) ....the last thing you need is unpredictable rubber under you. If you live in the Northeast or the snow belt, dedicated winter tires will make a big difference....they`re a good investment.
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The problem with driving summer tires in winter (even if there`s no snow) is that the cold weather (below 35 degrees F) causes the rubber compound to stiffen up, drastically changing the tires` handling characteristics (*especially* in the wet) ....the last thing you need is unpredictable rubber under you. If you live in the Northeast or the snow belt, dedicated winter tires will make a big difference....they`re a good investment.
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You'll be fine if you drive with your common sense and have the right equipment. I've driven in the snow for 3 seasons with my E46 with little to no problems. I've never needed a tow truck or crashed into anything...yet.

But remember no matter what kind of winter tires you have, don't put them too high on a pedestal for traction as they give you just a bit more than an all season will to get you around dicey situations. But they will make a difference between crashing or not crashing should you drive with care.

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Uphill shouldn't be a problem with the right winter tires and the correct use of the throttle:


And this is what you get with a properly equipped car in the snow with a capable driver, you'll have to watch til the end:


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The problem with driving summer tires in winter (even if there`s no snow) is that the cold weather (below 35 degrees F) causes the rubber compound to stiffen up, drastically changing the tires` handling characteristics (*especially* in the wet) ....the last thing you need is unpredictable rubber under you. If you live in the Northeast or the snow belt, dedicated winter tires will make a big difference....they`re a good investment.
That is my dilemma. We have 2-3, may be 4 big snow storm in year. The snow is only for one day on road, then plowed and melted away. I'm agree about temperature is degrading traction for summer tires, but is it very dramatically for everyday driving, remember I'm not racing on track.
So I will try to keep summer tires over winter until it's impossible to drive safe. I 'm not looking to spend $500 for tires right now.
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agreed. I made the mistake of driving my original Michelin Pilots into the first snow of the season one winter. I was lucky but never again.
Worst tires in the snow ever. I had these on my old Mazda 6 and they were terrible in the snow.
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Driver skill >>> whatever car and tires you have. If you're smart, you can get around in whatever car you have, with whatever tires you have, so long as the snow doesn't actually push your car's chassis off the ground due to clearance.
This only applies on open roads and parking lots. In a congestion you will be screwed no-matter your skill level.
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Old 10-09-2009, 08:15 AM
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So I will try to keep summer tires over winter until it's impossible to drive safe. I 'm not looking to spend $500 for tires right now.
And HOW much is your insurance deductible ????
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I always have to put my two cents in about ACTUAL snow driving: RWD, open differential SUCKS!!! Starting on an incline can be abominable. Last year I had Dunlop M2s that had seen a couple seasons. This year I have shiny new WS-60s ready to go so hopefully I can pick up a little. Of course, Mtech2 is a little lower than Mtech1, so we'll see.

All things considered the BMW did fine in 99.9% of the weather. There was just one day I got stuck in deep snow, but it was ridiculous how bad the traction was (inlcine, deep snow)- plenty of "normal" cars were getting by without any trouble (most notably, Mercedes and Cadillac). Like, I said, with new snows, after this season I will be able to report the definitive snow experience.

I don't think folks here appreciate just how much better a LSD would be, especially with snow tires.
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....the last thing you need is (an) unpredictable rubber
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And HOW much is your insurance deductible ????
So true. People who "can't afford" snow tires just aren't thinking about how much risk they are assuming. How about lost value of a repainted car? Can't unring that bell.
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Where do you live?
I lived in Russia, before came to US. You didn't see Russians roads and cars during the winter. Philly and DC is low on snow and any precipitation during wither time. And if it's a snow storm I have a truck and it's not a lot people is driving during this time. You can't compare NE with SE, mornings in SE is dry and roads don't have ice, and temp is about 25-32 at night and 32-40 day time and very sunny and low humidity. I will say it's very dry during the winter time here in VA.
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I 'm not looking to spend $500 for tires right now.
I can understand this but you should be prepared to a) call a tow truck when you get stuck somewhere, or worse: you damage your and someone else's car and b) don't drive on summer tires when the roads are wet, wintertime. Use the spouse's car or call a cab.

As Fast Bob said, what's your deductible? Is it less than the cost of tires, or the cost of leaving your car at home?

One note: if you have all-season tires you might be okay. If you have summer tires, you're in for some trouble.
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What's the ONLY thing between you and the road. If you can't outfit your car to be the safest, perhaps you should get a cheaper vehicle.
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