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BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 11-04-2009, 03:33 PM
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535i or 530?

I have driven my 740i for 3 years and love it, but the extended warranty I bought is expiring very soon (bought it used). I'm not a DIY so my financial exposure will most certainly be there as the car continues on without the warranty.
I have been considering a 2008 535i, but after reading a few posts here about ongoing problems with this model and also on other web site reviews (including Edmonds customer reviews), I'm thinking twice.

My 740i has had its share of problems, which I've had successfully fixed under warranty but I'd like to think I'm getting a newer car with less hassle going forward.
I'm not flaming here- I'm just looking for some objective, candid opinions from owners who have had the experience to share their car's history so I don't jump off the deep end without a parachute...

I'm hoping for these type of responses from the members here.
Do the reports of reliability over at least 1 year's ownership exceed the reports of problems?
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:14 PM
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I had a 2005 530 and now a 2008 535. I enjoyed the 530 but I am very happy with the performance of the 535. I have had the 535 for approximately 16 months, and knock on wood, have only had the car in for regularly scheduled service. I do have the concern in the back of my mind regarding the HPPF, but really like having the additional power offered by the turbo charged engine.
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:41 PM
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dont forget the reduced mpg on the 535. my wifes 535x gets the same mpg as my 650.
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:13 PM
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I was considering the 530 for that reason- have you noticed the mpg is higher for the 535 and what is it typically?
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:30 PM
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Coming from a 740i, you should really look at the 06 or 07 550i. I made the same move from a 740 to a 530 and was horribly disappointed.
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:39 PM
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Coming from a 740i, you should really look at the 06 or 07 550i. I made the same move from a 740 to a 530 and was horribly disappointed.
Good point, or even a CPO 750i should be on the shopping list.
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:30 PM
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Good point, or even a CPO 750i should be on the shopping list.
Yep, the 06 750 are very affordable now.
The gas consumption difference between the 550 and the 530 is negligible.
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:41 PM
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I'd like to stay in the $30K range and also, as much as I like the 740i, its a bit large for my needs, so the 750i would be the same.
I've checked them out at my local dealer and they feel great, just a bit too much car.
I need to be in the 5 series size, but the reviews on the 535i have me concerned.

I wasn't aware there wasn't much difference in the mpg between the 530 and 550.
I would have thought there was per the stated mpg reports.
With gas at its price and probably stuck there or going up at some point, I'd prefer better mpg and give up a small increase in power.
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:47 PM
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I'd like to stay in the $30K range and also, as much as I like the 740i, its a bit large for my needs, so the 750i would be the same.
I've checked them out at my local dealer and they feel great, just a bit too much car.
I need to be in the 5 series size, but the reviews on the 535i have me concerned.

I wasn't aware there wasn't much difference in the mpg between the 530 and 550.
I would have thought there was per the stated mpg reports.
With gas at its price and probably stuck there or going up at some point, I'd prefer better mpg and give up a small increase in power.
Honestly, I'd stay with the 535i or just go for the 550i. If you get the 530i, you will always think about your 740i. You are about to spend too much money to regret a purchase. The 530 is an awesome car once you get it going but the torque is very disappointing after you've been driving a 740. I sold my new 530 in 18 months and bought a used 545i

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Old 11-05-2009, 02:02 PM
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It sounds like you haven't been out to drive both models yet? Go drive both! I was in a similar quandary about 07/530 or 08/535. I chose the 530- and haven't regretted it for a minute. There were very few CPO 535s out there, and the nagging feeling about turbo problems down the line on a non-warrantied 535 (warranty would expire within a year for me) reinforced my choice.

Also the incentive deals the dealers were running on 07 models was a perk.

The 535 has been fun the few times I've had them as loaner vehicles- but the turbo lag is very noticeable. Folks on here will tell you otherwise on that, but my 530 I6 has plenty of torque and HP for me, and I drive somewhat spiritedly.

In the end- it's not what anyone on the Fest thinks. It's what makes you happy. Go drive them!
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:56 PM
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Good points- I'm planning on driving both soon, but one thing is for sure- I'm getting the Sports Package.
I'm also considering a 2007 550i, but I know the driving experience will ultimately decide for me.
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:22 PM
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Yeah, once you drive a 535i and a 530i, you'll see the 535i crushes the 530i in power. Not even close. Plus they're pre-LCI, so you'd miss out on the mid life cycle changes. My brother has a 530i, and I really like my 535i much better.

As for the HPFP problems, keep in mind they're warranted for 10 years or 120k miles.
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:25 PM
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It sounds like you haven't been out to drive both models yet? Go drive both! I was in a similar quandary about 07/530 or 08/535. I chose the 530- and haven't regretted it for a minute. There were very few CPO 535s out there, and the nagging feeling about turbo problems down the line on a non-warrantied 535 (warranty would expire within a year for me) reinforced my choice.

Also the incentive deals the dealers were running on 07 models was a perk.

The 535 has been fun the few times I've had them as loaner vehicles- but the turbo lag is very noticeable. Folks on here will tell you otherwise on that, but my 530 I6 has plenty of torque and HP for me, and I drive somewhat spiritedly.

In the end- it's not what anyone on the Fest thinks. It's what makes you happy. Go drive them!
To each his own...the 530 feels slow next to the 535, which has been a terrific daily drive for me. Not sure where the "very noticeable turbo lag" comment comes from, it is simply not the case - and that's also per the automotive press. Now, another advantage of the N54 is its potential. If you add a JB3 or Dinan flash you get an amazing performance package that is tough to beat.
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:33 PM
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To each his own...the 530 feels slow next to the 535, which has been a terrific daily drive for me. Not sure where the "very noticeable turbo lag" comment comes from, it is simply not the case - and that's also per the automotive press. Now, another advantage of the N54 is its potential. If you add a JB3 or Dinan flash you get an amazing performance package that is tough to beat.
Maybe I was driving the "non fixed" version

BMW North America Statement:

“In an effort to address specific noise concerns, BMW updated the turbocharged engine software on 335i/xi and 535i/xi models built from June 2006 through March 2008. The updated software causes a small amount of increased “turbocharger lag” under certain circumstances and, while not substantial, the lag may be perceptible to the most sensitive BMW drivers. X6, 135i, and 3 Series/5 Series vehicles from March 2008 production onward are not affected.

Release of the new software to restore the original turbocharger response is planned for January 2009, and it will be available for vehicles produced from September 2007 through March 2008 when they are brought to an authorized BMW center for a repair which requires a programming update. Clients with vehicles produced from June 2006 through September 2007 may request installation of the January 2009 software update. Clients who get this update should understand that there is a possibility of slightly increased engine noise levels under certain circumstances.”
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:30 PM
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My experience with my 2008 535 has been quite good......19 months old, almost 33,000 miles and taking it in soon for the second sdervice interval. I have not had to have any repairs made to my car. Very reliable but a poor paint job and a notchy 2nd gear in an otherwise nice MT. I drive 75% on the highway and average 25 mpg overall but get up to 29 mpg on the highway. The turbos really improve the low rpm response.
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:37 PM
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Maybe I was driving the "non fixed" version

BMW North America Statement:

"In an effort to address specific noise concerns, BMW updated the turbocharged engine software on 335i/xi and 535i/xi models built from June 2006 through March 2008. The updated software causes a small amount of increased "turbocharger lag" under certain circumstances and, while not substantial, the lag may be perceptible to the most sensitive BMW drivers. X6, 135i, and 3 Series/5 Series vehicles from March 2008 production onward are not affected.

Release of the new software to restore the original turbocharger response is planned for January 2009, and it will be available for vehicles produced from September 2007 through March 2008 when they are brought to an authorized BMW center for a repair which requires a programming update. Clients with vehicles produced from June 2006 through September 2007 may request installation of the January 2009 software update. Clients who get this update should understand that there is a possibility of slightly increased engine noise levels under certain circumstances."
Mine's fixed. I don't think the "turbo lag is very noticeable" comment applied, but it was there and you noticed. I did also, just not at first. This is my thread on getting the 'Fix'.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...eduled+service

I've had my 535i for 25 months and NO problems except for a 'slightly' errant mirror.

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Old 11-05-2009, 05:58 PM
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0-60 times...

6.4 vs 5.1
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Old 11-05-2009, 09:17 PM
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530- smooth, fast, balanced, great mileage, long life

535- fast as I ever want to go, smooth enough, ok mileage, if it breaks, i'll fix it, its so worth it.

Do what is right for your driving needs and your budget. I only thought my 530xi was slow when I tried to follow an Aston Martin. I got over it.
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:12 AM
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My 535i is the best car I have ever owned, I've had it a year now and haven't had any problems so far. The extra power over the 530i is so worth it to me if your worried about the HPFP issue go to the 550i a great car as well can't miss with either car.
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0-60 times...

6.4 vs 5.1
I understand you love driving fast but life is not just all about 0-60 time. With local government going broke these day, the cops are everywhere to generate revenue. I honestly haven't pushed my car for a while.

If I have to choose between the two, I would get the 535i but the 530i is plenty fast for daily driving.

By the way, BMW needs to get their $hit together with the fuel pump. Otherwise, I won't be getting a new F10 with twin turbo V-8.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:38 AM
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I understand you love driving fast but life is not just all about 0-60 time. With local government going broke these day, the cops are everywhere to generate revenue. I honestly haven't pushed my car for a while.

If I have to choose between the two, I would get the 535i but the 530i is plenty fast for daily driving.

By the way, BMW needs to get their $hit together with the fuel pump. Otherwise, I won't be getting a new F10 with twin turbo V-8.

Virtually the only difference between the 530 and 535 is the increased torque and power, which is why I mentioned the 0-60 times. Yes, performance is my #1 reason for owning a BMW, which is why I got a 535 (550 would be the other I'd possibly have).

I know there are many other reasons to own one. If 0-60 times are important but not paramount, yes the 530 is plenty fast and is probably the best match for that particular person. The 535 does have its own problems inherent with it, so if the need for that extra oomph exceeds the HPFP fear, then get the 535.

Now my wife - she LOVES her 2001 525i. That does 0-60 in like 8.7 seconds. Horsepower is waaaaay down her list of reasons to buy a BMW. It's all personal preference.
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Old 11-06-2009, 12:43 PM
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I drove a 530 until last year, when I found an incredible deal on a 535, so I sold and bought...you know. However, for the miles that we drive, I found that the 535 (and the 530 for that matter) were just not the right vehicle (different strokes for different folks). I also read the horror stories about the 535 fuel injection and other problems...and just did not want to deal with that. The long and short of it is that I sold the 535, and two weeks ago bought a CPO 525 ('07) (cash) for my wife that was super clean and lo miles, and put the $$ saved into maintaining and upgrading my '01 330i. That car (the 330i) is just really nice, fully owned/depreciated, and fun. Quick as a cat. The wife loves the 525, because for the freeway and around town driving that she does, it is just perfect....not nearly as quick/fast as the 530 and 535, but fun enough, and styled out with the idrive and the premier package. I don't know for sure, but from what I read, the 525 is bound not to have the maintenance issues of the 535...and gets far better mileage than the 530. We'll see.
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:05 PM
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Yep, the 06 750 are very affordable now.
The gas consumption difference between the 550 and the 530 is negligible.
the 06 750i cost 30k used my 05 530i cost only 18k used... but we got lucky cause of the high mileage u would be spending at least 23k for the 05 530i
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Old 11-07-2009, 01:11 AM
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I just drove an '07 530i sport and an '07 525i sport today.
I loved them both and found that both were very peppey and responsive.
I could really feel the road and the steering wheel stuck like glue.

It was interesting that I drove the 525 after, and almost couldn't tell the difference between the 2 in terms of speed once in motion. When the sales guy took off from stop in the 525, I thought he floored it, but he said he didn't. That's how snappy the takeoff felt in the 525.
There was an '07 550which I didn't try, thinking either of the above 2 might suffice, given their relative pricing.
That said, I'm game for any of the 3 given the deal on hand, but have a gut feeling the 530 will be the best match, given my budget, needs and preferences.
I then spent the 2nd half of the day testing driving MB's to compare, since a good friend has had the E-350 since 2007 and just bought it back from MB when his lease expired.
I think I'll post this separately, but it was funny, after I got back in my rental '09 335i (my 740i is in the shop until Monday), the comparison between the MB's I drove and the 335i was night and day. The Bimmer felt like a glove, was incredibly responsive, hugging the highway and road. It got me thinking I still belong in a BMW, not a MB.
BTW-- the turbo lag on this 335 was EXTREMELY noticable; until I remembered it was turbo, I thought there was something wrong with the acceleration. I don't think I want to try a 535 if there is this delay, which I suspect is perfectly normal for a turbo. It did fly once it got going and the paddle shifters were fun.
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Old 11-07-2009, 01:23 AM
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Don't think I'll post separately about the comparison drives I had yesterday.
To summarize, the MB beats the BMW technology wise and amenities wise; it is after all, a newer model I drove (2009). The seating is very adjustable and fairly comfortable, and the car lines are beautiful, including some visual cues from AMG models such as a streamlined front hood and fender/emblem; wheels, lights, etc. on the outside.
The 2009 335i beats the Benz in handling, speed of course, and IMO, the seating felt better even though it hugged me a bit tight, being a smaller car.
Which all leads me back to the 530i preference- The seats felt great and the handling was superior, since I prefer a feel for the road.
To each their own!
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