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Old 10-31-2010, 07:22 PM
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Wow 100 Z4's sold in September

I'm not impressed by the low sales of the Z4 - One could ask:
1. Is it just the economy?
2. Nobody likes 2 seater sports cars?
3. The design & workmenship are no good?
4. Maybe the price is too high?

Ummm lets see:
Q.1. Yes unemployemnt is about 10%, but that still leaves 90% employed.
Q. 2 A roadster is a classic combination, I hardly think people are down on two seaters.
Q.3 The new Z4 is probably the best designed and highest tech of any roadster on the market today.
Q. 4. Well what about price - well I was rather shocked when I walked into my local dealer's showroom - before me sat a 335i vert price $65,000 next to it was a loaded Z4 335 price $63,000. Now granted the twin turbo is a go fast fun engine but why the high cost? I thought my 06 Z4 was pricy at $42,000 - that looks like a steal compared to the new pricing.

I doubt BMW will be reducing prices so I would'nt be surprized to see the Z4 dropped from the lineup. It's really a shame too cause look at how popular the Z3 used to be - it had a good price and was a blast to drive. I'm just say'n
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Old 10-31-2010, 08:16 PM
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Good Post Mr. Zip,

it be interesting what Z4 Drivers have to say.

I agree with all your points, except Point 3 perhaps should have included the disliked RFT (my personal opinion here is a big gamble by BMW a lot of people don't like them). Then there is the HPFP issue that has now finally made the national news. I know some people might jump ship and sell the Z4, I will stick it out. The RFT issue I will deal with not a problem. The HPFP should it ever become a problem in my case BMW better step up to the bar and deal with it. I am sure this recall of 130,000 plus units will cost BMW a pretty penny. The point here is that this will properly as I said have some BMW drivers jump ship and potential BMW buyers look elsewhere.

So yes, perhaps you are right with your prediction that BMW may drop the Z4 ... should have been a Z5 anyway In the end it might be great for us e89 drivers our car may sell privately say in 10 years over $100,000- just like the Z8

Then again ... BMW will resolve that HPFP issue soon and it be business as usual one never knows does one.

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Old 10-31-2010, 09:36 PM
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I'm thrilled to be able to own a semi exclusive 2 seat roadster for 60K. I love the cars styling and convertible hardtop. Mainly I like the 6sp MT tied to a 300+ HP engine! Probably only 6,000 units sold worldwide. Other similar european cars range 80-200K+ for unit sales this low. The Z4 is a small niche line for BMW mainly to compete with the MB SLK line. I doubt that BMW will end production because of small sales numbers, it's obviously priced for a small volume break even point. Even if it were priced like a 3 series the big volume market would never materialize. With only 2 seats, no big technology leader, as the 5 or 7 series, & no mass market appeal as the 3 or X series.

Perfect for me and much more practical to drive & service than some of the other offerings, despite the few shortcomings. It's a keeper for me.
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Old 10-31-2010, 10:14 PM
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Was that 100 sold in the US, or US+Eur? All I can say is the Z4 was the only car that caught my eye, great styling and performance. After waiting 30 years for a sports car, I originally was looking for a Corvette until I saw the new Z4 about 2 years ago. Picked mine up in Munich in July and it's been fun ever since, and I do get lots of lookers.
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The Z4 (or all BMW Z cars) will always be niche vehicles. The reason I'm not running out and buying one of the current model, even though I would love a hardtop convertible, has everything to do with the price and weight of the car. I don't want a 3500 + lb 2 seater, and am not willing to pay $60,000 for one either. It really is a shame that the new Z4 is so heavy and expensive, because it is a very good looking car with very impressive performance numbers.

I'm still hoping BMW will remember that there are still enthusiast drivers out here that would really like to see a 300+hp, sub 3000 lb, performance oriented vehicle, with electronic nanny devices that can be tuned down or disabled, with minimal luxury amenities, that can be taken to a track or auto-cross and be fun to drive.
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Old 10-31-2010, 11:56 PM
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Not everyone can afford such cars.
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I think some of what you are seeing is a seasonal issue, i.e. Sept is traditionally the month when convertible sales fall off. Here are some sales numbers to consider (by the way, the 100 sales number for Z4's is a North America number only.....as are all the numbers below):

Sept 2010: 100
Sept 2009: 325

August 2010: 1,201
August 2009: 547

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Old 11-01-2010, 11:45 AM
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To address #4

With the new Z4 going upscale in build quality (inside and out), and now having state of the art technologies, and given it's list of standard features, I can't think of any reason why a Z4 SHOULD BE priced any LOWER than a similiarly equiped 3 series.

The days of a Z4 being considered a lesser car (or however one wants to term it) than the 3 series, are over. ...and the price is reflective of this.

If the result is that less Z4s will be sold, than so be it. It matters little to those of us that already own the car. As a matter of fact, I hope they sell less of them between now and 2012. That means less of them on the road in 2 years, and higher resale values.

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Old 11-01-2010, 11:53 AM
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The Z4 (or all BMW Z cars) will always be niche vehicles. The reason I'm not running out and buying one of the current model, even though I would love a hardtop convertible, has everything to do with the price and weight of the car. I don't want a 3500 + lb 2 seater, and am not willing to pay $60,000 for one either. It really is a shame that the new Z4 is so heavy and expensive, because it is a very good looking car with very impressive performance numbers.

I'm still hoping BMW will remember that there are still enthusiast drivers out here that would really like to see a 300+hp, sub 3000 lb, performance oriented vehicle, with electronic nanny devices that can be tuned down or disabled, with minimal luxury amenities, that can be taken to a track or auto-cross and be fun to drive.
It's a shame for you, since the Z4 is definitly not aimed at what you are looking for, but it's not a shame for any of us that already own a new Z4, since the car fits our needs and falls within our budget.
You just described a 2-3 year old Porsche Boxster S. That sounds like the car for you. However, I'd consider it a shame to drive around in a model year 2008, whose body style has been around for 12 years....but that's me.
Expensive is a relative term. Those that have already purchased a Z4 did not find it too expensive. I often forget I am driving a 3500 lb car, it's so nimble. It feels more like a 3200 lb car.

The point being that not every car is for everyone.

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Old 11-01-2010, 02:27 PM
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MrZip/ daron001,

Where are you obtaining your numbers, do you happen to know the UK figures?
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:59 PM
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MrZip/ daron001,

Where are you obtaining your numbers, do you happen to know the UK figures?
BMW publishes them monthly for North America, UK

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...+america+sales
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October sales - big increase over September, to 174 total!

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I think some of what you are seeing is a seasonal issue, i.e. Sept is traditionally the month when convertible sales fall off. Here are some sales numbers to consider (by the way, the 100 sales number for Z4's is a North America number only.....as are all the numbers below):

Sept 2010: 100
Sept 2009: 325

August 2010: 1,201
August 2009: 547

Hope this helps....
October is out:
October 2010: 174
October 2009: 486

Call it seasonal, or just bad.
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:06 AM
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I'm not impressed by the low sales of the Z4 - One could ask:
1. Is it just the economy?
2. Nobody likes 2 seater sports cars?
3. The design & workmenship are no good?
4. Maybe the price is too high?

Ummm lets see:
Q.1. Yes unemployemnt is about 10%, but that still leaves 90% employed.
Q. 2 A roadster is a classic combination, I hardly think people are down on two seaters.
Q.3 The new Z4 is probably the best designed and highest tech of any roadster on the market today.
Q. 4. Well what about price - well I was rather shocked when I walked into my local dealer's showroom - before me sat a 335i vert price $65,000 next to it was a loaded Z4 335 price $63,000. Now granted the twin turbo is a go fast fun engine but why the high cost? I thought my 06 Z4 was pricy at $42,000 - that looks like a steal compared to the new pricing.

I doubt BMW will be reducing prices so I would'nt be surprized to see the Z4 dropped from the lineup. It's really a shame too cause look at how popular the Z3 used to be - it had a good price and was a blast to drive. I'm just say'n
1.
A: 10% unemployed and 90% employed is correct. but is the 90% placed in proper jobs? or are they busting their ass flipping burgers at burger king? a lot of people went from 100k jobs to like 35k jobs. standard of living decrease!

2.
A: 2 seaters are considered niche cars because they are not quite usable for daily use. when you dont have money to swing for a 2nd car, you aint getting a 2 seater unless you are between the ages of 17-25 and no responsibilities (me )

3.
A: design is not bad, worksman ship sucks. I dont like my z4 because the quality of american made is clearly inferior to german and austrian made bmws such as the m3.

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A: price sucks too. you can get an m3 for the same price of a new z43.5is. well if you have to choose, then m3 coupe is an easy choice for the majority of the people looking for performance.
the old z4 price point was perfect, that was why they sold so many of them. you can pick up the base model for the price of a Honda S2000!
also the old z4 lease rate was ridiculously low, you could get a regular z4 3.0 for $350 a month with very low down payments!

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Old 11-02-2010, 11:32 AM
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The workmanship (fit and finish) on the new Z4 is superior to that of the previous generation Z4, especially on the Interior.
Not everyone has performance as their #1 priority, thus the Z4 fits a specific need.
If you want a slightly better performing car that is not nearly as good looking and does not have a hard top convertible, then I guess the M3 Coupe is your choice.

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Old 11-02-2010, 11:40 AM
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A: design is not bad, worksman ship sucks. I dont like my z4 because the quality of american made is clearly inferior to german and austrian made bmws such as the m3.
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Not sure on yours, but if it's an E89, then your Z4 is German made.
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1.
A: 10% unemployed and 90% employed is correct. but is the 90% placed in proper jobs? or are they busting their ass flipping burgers at burger king? a lot of people went from 100k jobs to like 35k jobs. standard of living decrease!
No debate there but you need to include those that have stopped looking for work. Real unemployment is closer to 17-18%.

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A: design is not bad, worksman ship sucks. I dont like my z4 because the quality of american made is clearly inferior to german and austrian made bmws such as the m3.
You do know the Z4 (E89) is built in Germany.....right? Not that your comment is valid anyway as several of the US makers have been ranked above BMW and Mercedes for reliability and workmanship over the past several years.

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A: price sucks too. you can get an m3 for the same price of a new z43.5is. well if you have to choose, then m3 coupe is an easy choice for the majority of the people looking for performance.
the old z4 price point was perfect, that was why they sold so many of them. you can pick up the base model for the price of a Honda S2000!
also the old z4 lease rate was ridiculously low, you could get a regular z4 3.0 for $350 a month with very low down payments!
You can get a bare bones M3 Coupe for a similar price to a fully loaded Z4 35i but compare apples to apples. A base M3 Vert is $70,000 vs $63,000 for the IS and goes way to over $80k when optioned out vs $72,000 for the full monty IS.
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For snobbery's sake, they should have made it a Z5. The leap from the first to second gen Z4 is bigger than the leap from Z3 to Z4.

The economy certainly must take some blame as people who still have money are holding onto it a bit more and there is no logical reason to own one. It is purely emotional.

I, for one, love my car and will get another one once my lease is up. The residual is just too high for me to purchase, but that's what happens when you get a great lease deal. I'll pick my next one up in Germany and get it outfitted exactly as I want it. The sticker was higher than my husband's M3. Now that he's modded it, his investment is much higher!

I take our third car (a Vdub) when I am visiting clients because I know what impression the car can give. I drive the heck out of it in autox and on mountain drives. I like that the car is rare but I certainly don't want it to go away. Doubt it will for some time as they knew this wasn't going to be another 3 series volume car.
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It's hard to factor in economic impacts without a lot of data and understanding, and I doubt anybody -- even the experts -- has a perfect handle on it. So I don't even want to hypothesize about that.

I am coming from an 08 Honda S2000, and got wind of the E89 Z4 when I saw one on the highway recently and couldn't take my eyes off it. Without doubt, styling is one of it's biggest qualities. Upon driving the Z4, my first impressions were that it was heavy, expensive, shifted a bit vaguely, and handled vaguely compared to the S2000. And then I came around to the realization that it was really like butter in most respects, worth the money, and much more refined than the S2000 (raw handling and shift quality aside, as the S2K wins there hands down).

So my own experience tells me that the Z4 is a bit of a niche vehicle and you have to truly "discover it" to really appreciate what it brings to the table, and then be willing to pay for it. The build quality justifies the cost. But it's not the best sports car out there or even the best sports oriented roadster. I think the cadre of buyers who really appreciate this car lies at a very specific crossroads of tastes, sport/comfort tradeoffs, expectations, and incomes. That is a small pool of car shoppers.

What I did find troubling was that 6-spd manual Z4s are hard to find, and dealer inventory is biased to high-priced loaded automatic cars -- totally opposite of what I'd expect of a true roadster. Dealers could be hampering sales as much as anything else. I decided to wait and order a Z4 with the equipment I wanted and at a more reasonable cost. But not everyone wants to wait 6-8 weeks for their new car. In fact, I went for the S2000 last time around because I got frustrated at the lack of 6-spd BMWs available for evaluation/purchase in 2007.

One thing in BMW's favor is that they are masters at mixed production, and can likely handle small quantities of Z4s mixed in with other production without too much trouble. In contrast, Honda canned the S2000 when US sales dropped below 3000 a year (this after a nearly 10 year run). I think they could no longer justify the dedicated production facility and specialized production process that was taking a potential factory away from higher demand vehicles. BMW is in a slightly different boat, and I think they can make the E89 work in smaller quantities just fine.

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Everybody's situation is different, but my first Z4 was a new '04 which I paid about 37k for by passing up on options, and getting under dealer invoice. I replaced it at lease end with a new '07, which using the same approach, paid about 40K for. When the '07 lease expired I really wanted a 2010, and worked the dealer hard trying to get the cost down to what I thought was reasonable (for me) for an occasional driver. The lowest I could get a car for, and that was only if I ordered it, was about 52K. Adding CA taxes it was too much for my conscience. I agonized over the decision for months - I ended up getting a new 370Z Roadster Touring stick at $500 under invoice for 39.5K.
At that time a lot of posters were moaning over the price increase. In my view BMW had blown it, because they had pushed the price up to the Boxster level (depending on how you equip it) while every single comparison I have ever read between the Boxster and the Z4 picked the Porsche, but the BMW no longer had the $10K price advantage. When BMW just about stopped shipping sticks, I think they realized they had lost the performance buyer to Porsche.
Back to the thread topic, if you want to know which of your 4 points has caused the drop off in sales, compare the Z4 with the Boxster. that will answer your question. I haven't seen Porsche sales numbers, and I don't know if Porsche publishes sales by model.
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Everybody's situation is different, but my first Z4 was a new '04 which I paid about 37k for by passing up on options, and getting under dealer invoice. I replaced it at lease end with a new '07, which using the same approach, paid about 40K for. When the '07 lease expired I really wanted a 2010, and worked the dealer hard trying to get the cost down to what I thought was reasonable (for me) for an occasional driver. The lowest I could get a car for, and that was only if I ordered it, was about 52K. Adding CA taxes it was too much for my conscience. I agonized over the decision for months - I ended up getting a new 370Z Roadster Touring stick at $500 under invoice for 39.5K.
At that time a lot of posters were moaning over the price increase. In my view BMW had blown it, because they had pushed the price up to the Boxster level (depending on how you equip it) while every single comparison I have ever read between the Boxster and the Z4 picked the Porsche, but the BMW no longer had the $10K price advantage. When BMW just about stopped shipping sticks, I think they realized they had lost the performance buyer to Porsche.
Back to the thread topic, if you want to know which of your 4 points has caused the drop off in sales, compare the Z4 with the Boxster. that will answer your question. I haven't seen Porsche sales numbers, and I don't know if Porsche publishes sales by model.
The new Z4 was never aimed at taking the performace buyer away from the Boxster. BMW never pretended it was a better proformer than the Boxster, and has not been advertized as such by BMW. It's the car magazines that insist on comparing the 2 on performance, and I'm not sure why.

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... I'm not sure why.
I'm sure you're just being rhetorical , but what else is there to compare the Boxster. I completely agree with you, Z4' focus is different, but there are very few valid comparisons, particularly in a similar price range:

Miata?
Camero?
Mustang?
370Z cab?
Corvette?
SLK?
_____?

I think journalists are a bit desperate, and end up making up a bunch of crap anyway just to sell a few mags. FWIW

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I'm sure you're just being rhetorical , but what else is there to compare the Boxster. I completely agree with you, Z4' focus is different, but there are very few valid comparisons, particularly in a similar price range:

Miata?
Camero?
Mustang?
370Z cab?
Corvette?
SLK?
_____?
That is the same questions the car magazine editors asked themselves.

What gets a little ridiculous is when people read the article, then try to tell us like it's hot off the press, that the Boxster performs better than the Z4, then they expect us to feel as though we somehow overlooked a factor they consider to be weighted 100 times heavier than any other, when it comes to a car buying decision.

..and I previously owned 2 of the 6 on that list (350Z Roadster and Corvette). 370Z is probably decent for comparison sake, but C6 Corvette is an entirelty different animal than Z4. Actually, I owned 4 of the 6, but not sure if the 1976 Mustang (80 something HP) or the 1974 Camaro (v6) would hold up in a comparison test agains a riding lawn mower. I owned both of those back in the early 80's.

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Old 11-03-2010, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueZ4AZ View Post
That is the same questions the car magazine editors asked themselves.

What gets a little ridiculous is when people read the article, then try to tell us like it's hot off the press, that the Boxster performs better than the Z4, then they expect us to feel as though we somehow overlooked a factor they consider to be weighted 100 times heavier than any other, when it comes to a car buying decision.

..and I previously owned 2 of the 6 on that list (350Z Roadster and Corvette). 370Z is probably decent for comparison sake, but C6 Corvette is an entirelty different animal than Z4. Actually, I owned 4 of the 6, but not sure if the 1976 Mustang (80 something HP) or the 1974 Camaro (v6) would hold up in a comparison test agains a riding lawn mower. I owned both of those back in the early 80's.
"a riding lawn mower"

100 percent in agreement with your comments

Back in the 70's and 80's, such muscle cars were very, very sloppy, with the exception of maybe the '69/'70 Boss 302. The latest Camero isn't much better, but I understand the latest Mustang is making an impression. Still not quite there yet, but not a bad effort for Detroit.
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Old 11-04-2010, 12:16 AM
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You tell me, what is the target market for the Z4? You're not going for the performance buyer and you put in a 300HP twin turbo? They softened up the ride, and shipped mostly loaded, auto transmissions to get what? Women with huge salaries and/or wealthy husbands? If they want a softer ride why leave on the run flats? I'll be honest I don't know what they were going for. I love the car (except for the run flats and twitchy steering) and I could afford one, but they lost me on price because it seemed too much money to me for an occasional, single purpose car, which is great fun but not very practical.
When I turned the car in at the end of the 3 year lease with 10,000 miles on it, it was worth less than the residual on the contract. I talked to some guys trying to sell their cars with no descent offers. It was then I realized how narrow the market is for the Z4. I could be wrong but if they had kept the price in the 30's, where they started, I think they would have been OK.
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