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Old 12-12-2010, 03:59 PM
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Suspension Quizzicles

So my Christmas presents this year are going to be some brand new Bilstein Sport Shocks,
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html...=E36M3BILSTEIN
Some H&R sport adjustable springs,
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html...T_ID=29910.2AR
and some high performance shock mounts and bearings.
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html...ID=E36MOUNTKIT

My quizzicles are,

Can I get some pics of anyones car to see what it will look like, with those exact shocks? (And yes I looked around but I couldn't find any good pics.)

Second, will I have to worry about wheel rub on the fenders?

And third, can I get a couple honest opinions on how the ride quality changes?

Thanks
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Old 12-13-2010, 12:20 PM
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Sure...

DON"T do it. The Bilstein shocks and struts have never been good for the E36 M3. Lots of people will say, yea, they're stiff, but only because they haven't driven with anything better.

1.) the Billys have too much high speed compression damping. Always have. Sharp edged bumps, (potholes, freeway expansion joints, frost heaves...) jar the car like there is no tomorrow. You'll want to sell your internal organs. by the time you use enough spring rate, it's going to be really really stiff, and suitable for the track only. (where it will work very very well...) But you'll be hating life on the street.

2.) With ANY of the aftermarket shock/struts, the E36 really doesn't like to be lowered more than about 1/2". There just isn't a lot of bump suspension travel in the design. When you install springs that really lower the ride height, H&R Sports or god forbid race springs, you end up driving on the bumpstops where the spring rate quickly approaches infinity. Then you hit something big and bottom the strut/shock damaging the internal valving.

3.) if you drive the car on real roads, you will be way happier with something like the Koni insert/shock, and H&R OE Sport springs, or Vogtland, or Eibach.

4.) if you really MUST lower the car, buy a decent coil over. Ground Control, TC Kline Trumatch, AST... They are designed for the lower ride height and still retain some suspension travel.

As always you are free to do what you want, just don't say i didn't warn you. If you do, it will feel better than the old worn out stuff, but it still isn't right... (meaning it could be way better)

(original owner of my 95 and have seen this over and over for the past 16 years.)
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Old 12-13-2010, 07:02 PM
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Thanks for the input. I knew the ride comfort would be lost but I didn't think it would be that bad. I'll have to see. I think ride quality is something I can stand to loose as we have a crappy chevy to drive for long trips. I would really love some coil-overs though. I might just wait.
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Old 12-14-2010, 11:58 AM
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I have a Ground Control adjustable front and rear suspension set up on my car and love it. It's been on there for 5+ years now and zero problems. Love it's flexibility in adjusting alignment for track and street use. It is worth the extra money!
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Old 12-16-2010, 01:32 PM
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I really want coil overs. I'm talking to a guy at stanceworks.com about getting the custom designed and built zero clearance coil overs. They will absolutely slam the car but retain a fairly high level of comfort.

here is a car with the zero clearance coil overs.
http://www.stanceworks.com/page/3/
The cool thing about these is that they can be adjusted from almost stock height to on the ground.

Here is a vid explaining them.
http://www.awol.tv/episodes/1?episode=89
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Old 12-16-2010, 04:43 PM
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Sorry, completely retarded...

Fine if you just trailer it to shows, but that will absolutely suck in any real world environment.
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Old 12-16-2010, 06:23 PM
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sorry but it's a coil over. It doesn't have to stay like that I can put it almost back up to stock ride height, if I want.
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Old 12-18-2010, 09:14 AM
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^ Maybe so but.... ugh.

It's your car, do whatever you want with it, but... ugh.

BTW, I have Bilstein sports and H&R Sports, and while the ride is stiffer than stock, by no means do I find it jarring like rrsperry makes it out to be. I've ridden in some really rough rides, (lowered subarus with incredibly high spring rates) and the sport/sport combination is not unmanageable. Good luck.
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Old 12-18-2010, 08:02 PM
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Well as of now it looks like i'll be getting the sport shocks and springs as I will need adjustable camber plates/arms to run the custom coil overs.

Thanks for the input.

I've rode in a MK2 GTI with full race springs on Bilstiens and it was OK. Definitely stiffer but it handled like it was on rails.
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Old 12-20-2010, 01:15 PM
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Old 12-25-2010, 07:02 AM
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Ahh, Christmas is here and I'm as happy as I can be.



Got everything I need, Minus shocks. Those I will either get later today or order them tonight.
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