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Old 02-25-2011, 01:32 PM
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Interesting Oil Change Interval

Since I bought, rather than leased, my new F10, I've decided to follow Mike Miller's "old school maintenance schedule" for my new 535i. As such, I did an oil change at 1500 miles and plan to do them at 7500 mile intervals.

A week or two ago my car reported next service due in 13,000 miles which didn't much surprise me as it had 3000 miles on the odometer.

Today I noticed that at 3500 miles on the clock, that service is due in 3000 miles. I checked in iDrive and found it's saying an oil change in 3k miles.

As you can imagine, I'm quite surprised at this. Is this saying that there's something wrong with the oil I had put in the car at 1500 miles? (It was done at the dealership).

As a aside, I presume if the car is saying it needs an oil change at what would be about 6500 miles that BMW will cover it.

Has anyone else seen this happen?
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Old 02-25-2011, 03:35 PM
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The techs probably reset the service interval in the computer. Look at the invoice and see if there is a note about it.
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Old 02-25-2011, 03:49 PM
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The techs probably reset the service interval in the computer. Look at the invoice and see if there is a note about it.
If someone reset the service indicator it would have extended, not reduced, the interval to the next service.

FWIW, Mike Miller is a shill that is trying to keep people coming back to independent garages for unnecessary service.
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Old 02-25-2011, 03:56 PM
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If someone reset the service indicator it would have extended, not reduced, the interval to the next service.

FWIW, Mike Miller is a shill that is trying to keep people coming back to independent garages for unnecessary service.
it must be real old school. like before synthetic oil made 1500 oil changes superfluous.
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Old 02-25-2011, 04:10 PM
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For the very first oil change during the break in period, 1500 is proper and pretty standard for all cars. 7500 is also a decent recurring interval for synth oil. You start getting into buildup territory if you go 12500 and beyond.

You can send the oil off at each change interval for testing if you want to find a solid interval number at the upper mileage threshold. Synthetic isn't magic. It still degrades. That's my two cents.

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Old 02-25-2011, 04:38 PM
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They certainly didn't reset the service interval and it was consistent until a few days ago when it DROPPED from 13000 to 3000 miles.
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They certainly didn't reset the service interval and it was consistent until a few days ago when it DROPPED from 13000 to 3000 miles.
Very odd. I'm assuming the level is fine and the car feels the same. Just drive as usual and recheck after a few days. I can't imagine the dealer used the wrong oil, or that the car would even know. Keep us posted.
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:37 AM
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Another interesting observation--- I've noticed in the past day or two that the 'check oil level' selection takes 10-15 min to display a level. This seems longer than before even though it reports my level as 'full'. Does everyone's f10 take this long?
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I noticed in this (Page 3 of http://www.bmwtis.com/tsb/attachment...211_Slides.pdf ) that the car (in this case an X3) was having problems with oil level sensor and REDUCED drastically the service interval: "oil service forecast is reduced in order to alert the driver"

Since you have slow oil level reading response and reduced CBS oil service interval, you may be having similar problems.
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:50 AM
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Another interesting observation--- I've noticed in the past day or two that the 'check oil level' selection takes 10-15 min to display a level. This seems longer than before even though it reports my level as 'full'. Does everyone's f10 take this long?
Yes, mine takes this long for a reading. The oil needs to be at operating temperature before a reading registers and that can take up to 20mins depending on type of driving and outside temp. Try calling the dealer and see if they have anything to say about your last oil change.
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:23 PM
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still another question: does the oil change interval system actually look at the quality of the remaining oil or is it simply going on miles, RPM or something?
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still another question: does the oil change interval system actually look at the quality of the remaining oil or is it simply going on miles, RPM or something?
According to this it does.

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According to this it does.

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Intersting. Thank you for that PDF.
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:53 PM
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So I asked the service people at my Dealer about this. Their manager suggested updating my software. When I took delivery they'd left it in 'transport mode' so there were problems w/ BMW assist. They claim they might have messed something up when they did whatever they had to get that problem solved.

My first reaction was that they were trying to get BMW out of doing an Oil Change in 3k miles from now. On the other hand, if there is truly something prematurely aging the Oil, the sensor will just pick it up again.

I asked them about whether they'd used the correct oil at my 'break-in' change. (this after their asking if I'd had the oil change done somewhere else-- I hadn't). He said they only have two types of oil. One for M cars, and the other for everything else. Even if they'd put the M oil in my car (he said it was 20W60) I don't see this as harming my engine.

The car is functioning perfectly -- no steering problems, nor anything else wrong.

In any event, what do you folks think-- should I do the software upgrade?
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If someone reset the service indicator it would have extended, not reduced, the interval to the next service.

FWIW, Mike Miller is a shill that is trying to keep people coming back to independent garages for unnecessary service.
Yep you got it in ONE, I wonder just what Oil was used????.
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According to this it does.

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ah, good to know.

The maintenance minder in my Acura is simply a longevity calculator based on factors like number of starts, time run during cold and warm operation, time at certain throttle and RPM position, etc.

My Volvo had a sensor like this, it was quality only, not level. It used to throw up "low oil level" warnings on the DIM and guys would be freaked out that they had low oil levels while still showing levels within the XXX's on the dipstick. Turns out that this was the only way for the computer to tell the owner that the oil quality had dropped below "acceptable" limits. Of course, this was on a 2004 MY car.
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That pdf must not apply to current F07 or F10 cars. I changed my oil at 5000 miles and did not reset the maintenance counter. The miles to an oil change remained exactly the same. When I do that on my Mercedes ML320 1998 the miles to services becomes significantly higher- not my BMW 535i GT. BTW Mercedes has removed the sensor now also.
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It may be designed so that the service interval won't increase until the counter is reset. I'm confident that the F10 has an oil quality sensor. Sure I've read it in numerous places.
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That pdf must not apply to current F07 or F10 cars. I changed my oil at 5000 miles and did not reset the maintenance counter. The miles to an oil change remained exactly the same. When I do that on my Mercedes ML320 1998 the miles to services becomes significantly higher- not my BMW 535i GT. BTW Mercedes has removed the sensor now also.
The service indicator is more than just oil service. It also shows brakes and something else.

I don't remember if you can see these through I drive but you can see them somehow. If I recall, I think it was pressing the trip odometer button when first starting up the car, getting you to some kind of diagnostic menu.

Sorry for the non-specific response.
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The service indicator is more than just oil service. It also shows brakes and something else.

I don't remember if you can see these through I drive but you can see them somehow. If I recall, I think it was pressing the trip odometer button when first starting up the car, getting you to some kind of diagnostic menu.

Sorry for the non-specific response.
The BMW IDrive menu "SETTINGS" then "Vehicle status" will show you all your servicing needs; Oil, Front and rear Pad wear, filter replacement time and Brake fluid Date and list any fault codes.
Mercedes on the other hand do not, and insist on expensive unnecessary services every year just to boost their income, however here in the UK this approach has back fired and many will not use Mercedes cars as company vehicles for this very reason, also many low mileage users are up in arms about it also. Mercedes are loosing sales and will continue to do so whilst adopting this strategy.

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Nice PDF really informative.
So all current BMW's oil sensor (I guess including the E60 engines N52, N54 etc) has an oil quality sensor?
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