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Old 07-29-2010, 06:32 AM
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Hello all,


I just picked up a '06 3.0si...44k miles. Premium/sport Auto
Went from an Audi TT --> altima SER -- back to something fun again!

The factory warranty ends in September. I was wondering what the best thing I should do.
I never had a warranty on a car - did all the work my self.
(if it wasnt for the vag-com I dont know what I woulda done with the TT)
the sound of a bmw warranty sounds good....but I am not sure if I should fork out the dough to extend it.

Who has extended theirs and which one did you get?

Thanks much,

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Old 07-29-2010, 07:18 AM
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Don't do it. If you can do your own work you will be wasting your money. The money spent on the warranty will buy a lot of do it yourself parts...
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Old 07-29-2010, 07:29 AM
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Extended warranties are a gamble. You're basically betting that the needed repairs and maintenance over the next period of time covered by the warranty extension will cost more than the price of extending it. Unless you have something pretty catastrophic happen, it probably won't. Personally, I know I don't usually keep cars long enough to rationalize that cost, if you're planning on keeping it a long time, it might be more worth it.
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Old 07-29-2010, 05:56 PM
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Thanks for the info, i'll have to do more research and decide what to do.


Another quick one - Vag-com I loved vag-com for my TT. What is the comparable tool used for bmw? - im not saying a 2000$ system but one that has characteristics of a vag-com.

Thanks.
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Old 07-30-2010, 01:12 PM
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The 3 liter motor has been around for a while in one form or another and 06 was the 4th year of production for the Z4. That spells reliability. I wouldn't go for an extended warranty on that car.

Bavarian Technic has a diagnostic tool, but it is more expensive than vag-com.
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Old 07-30-2010, 02:57 PM
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The 3 liter motor has been around for a while in one form or another and 06 was the 4th year of production for the Z4. That spells reliability. I wouldn't go for an extended warranty on that car.

Bavarian Technic has a diagnostic tool, but it is more expensive than vag-com.
The N52 3.0 liter was a completely new design for 2006 that shares virtually nothing with it's M54 predecessor.

To the OP - search for lifter noise. This was a common issue with early N52 motors and resulted in some cars getting new cylinder heads.
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Old 07-30-2010, 03:50 PM
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On the other hand...

My '06 had to have the head replaced because of the lifter noise/problem; free with the warranty. This probably will never be an official recall...

Other 06's are now popping up with the sticky/stuck steering problem...have to replace the whole steering column. This may end up being a BMW recall soon...but if it doesn't...

There are a couple of other fairly minor things which have occurred to a fair number of folks. Search the Forums...

Those major fixes could break the bank! I bought the extended warranty!

Freude am Fahren (und Versicherung Haben)...
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Old 07-30-2010, 08:50 PM
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I also had the head replacement due to lifter noise. Very expensive out of warranty to the tune of $8k. I shopped around and found the prices for the BMW Gold warranty fluctuate wildly between dealers. I paid $2350.00 for the 7/70 Gold. A couple of dealers were quoting around $3300.00. Overall mine has been pretty good. Only had the fuel pump replaced because it was making some wierd clicking noises. The car has been in 5 track events so far and has been the most fun car I've ever owned.
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Hello all,


I just picked up a '06 3.0si...44k miles. Premium/sport Auto
Went from an Audi TT --> altima SER -- back to something fun again!

The factory warranty ends in September. I was wondering what the best thing I should do.
I never had a warranty on a car - did all the work my self.
(if it wasnt for the vag-com I dont know what I woulda done with the TT)
the sound of a bmw warranty sounds good....but I am not sure if I should fork out the dough to extend it.

Who has extended theirs and which one did you get?

Thanks much,

Sud
-The aftermarket warranty we have on my wife's 540iT has saved us a boatload over the last few years. I recently got one on my M5, but can't comment yet as to whether it was worth it. I suspect it will be. Don't know how E39 reliability translates to the E85.
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Old 07-31-2010, 03:43 AM
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I would just add that the difference in price between the "Gold" and "Platinum" BMW Extended Warranty is that the latter covers the sound system, communications, and i-Drive. The Gold Warranty does not. Also make sure you're buying the warranty rather than the extended maintenance plan (uness you want both).
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Old 07-31-2010, 06:02 AM
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Another quick one - Vag-com I loved vag-com for my TT. What is the comparable tool used for bmw?
VAG-COM works in generic OBD2 mode for basic engine diagnostics, clearing codes etc. This should keep you going for a while.

I am leaning towards the BMW GT tool from eBay that runs around $500 down the line.
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Old 07-31-2010, 11:26 AM
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I would just add that the difference in price between the "Gold" and "Platinum" BMW Extended Warranty is that the latter covers the sound system, communications, and i-Drive. The Gold Warranty does not. Also make sure you're buying the warranty rather than the extended maintenance plan (uness you want both).
-Also be advised that extended warranties offered by dealerships typically have nothing to do with the parent company - except a markup, relative to going directly to the warranty company yourself.
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Old 08-01-2010, 08:27 PM
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Hey guys, thanks for the input.

I stopped at the dealer.

I am at 44k miles and I noticed a weird idle for the first 10 secs of cold start. I told the service manager this, they are doing the lifter bleed out procedure on Tuesday and looking to see if the lifters make noise and what not. I do hear a little tick, but ive heard the same on other bmws. He was very nice, told me to get it in before I hit 50k or end of September. They are also replacing the good ole drivers side cup holder.

I would be extending the warranty, not the maint plan. can you wheel and deal with these at the dealer? lol

Thanks once again.
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Old 08-01-2010, 11:37 PM
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When you are there, see if you can get them to look up the service record for you to see if items of concern addressed by other posts to this thread have been addressed. If there is lifter noise, it should be self-evident with the engine running from a cold start, A/C turned off. First thing in the morning. Open up the hood and listen.
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Old 08-02-2010, 05:03 AM
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Mike -

He did pull up the records, nothing abnormal other then the maint and a few bulb changes.

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Old 08-02-2010, 01:19 PM
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Hey guys, thanks for the input.


I would be extending the warranty, not the maint plan. can you wheel and deal with these at the dealer? lol
I believe that you'll find a variety of opinions on the extended warranty investment. Personally, I believe that you'll be better off to take the money you would have spend on the warranty and put it in the bank as a special fund only for repairs. This way you'll have a base fund on that occasion that you may need it. I currently have 3 bimmers and the most expensive thing I've had to do is replace brakes (wouldn't be covered under a warranty). Perhaps I've been lucky, but I would be way ahead if I had the special account for car repairs instead of a warranty. At least once past the extended warranty period, like I am no on both the e39 and M I could do something like replace the brakes or get new tires with the money that was tucked away.
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Old 08-02-2010, 10:16 PM
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Take the money that you are going to spend on a warranty and put it in the bank under "car repair fund". That way you have total control over your repairs and you can keep the money if you don't spend it. I would bet that you won't use it all, after all that is what the warranty company is banking on.
If you can do work yourself I think you'll be fine.
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Old 08-03-2010, 08:30 AM
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Hey guys, Thanks again haha.

Just dropped her off to get the cup holder replaced. look at the cold start idle issue. and a general overlook of the car.

Im still on the fence......

I just found my winter car - my cousins 2001 325i sedan 125k miles.....

what to do, what to do......I think I will just wait till the end of September...If I do it, it will be an impulse buy.

thanks again for your help.

it seems like a way better crowd here then.... vwvortex lol
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The service manager just called.

" I would like to replace all the lifters." - I guess if there is even some sort of tick there is a Service bulletin that just tells the dealer to replace the lifters. instead of further diagnosis

He also mentioned that the weird cold start idle should go away after a reset.


whew.

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Old 08-03-2010, 12:29 PM
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Got the exhaust lifters replaced per the SIB below: Seems to have done the trick so far.

This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B11 09 07 dated January 2009.

SUBJECT
Intermittent Hydraulic Valve Adjuster (HVA) Noise

MODEL
All E82, E83, E88, E85, E86, E60, E61, E70, E90, E91, E92 and E93 vehicles with N51, N52 or N52K engines produced approximately up to November 31st 2008; refer to cylinder head casting identification attachment.


SITUATION
An occasional ticking or rattling noise from the camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA) may occur during cold engine starts, due to frequent short-distance driving, or the noise may occur for an extended period of time even though the engine is at operating temperature.

Improved parts were phased into production beginning on 10/1/2008 and fully implemented on November 31st 2008.

CORRECTION
Do not perform the bleeding procedure that was previously provided in SI B11 09 07 which has now been deleted.

All vehicles produced between 10/1/2008 and 11/31/2008 must have each vehicle's cylinder head casting number identified before hydraulic valve lifters (HVA) replacement, due to staggered implementation. Refer to the attachment for the casting number location. Vehicles produced after 11/31/2008 have already been fitted with improved parts. Vehicles produced prior to 10/1/2008 will require the new parts.

Improved Casting Numbers

N51 (B30)
7588277.01

N52 (B30)
7588273.01

N52K (B30)
7588271.01

A cylinder head casting number that does not match will require replacement of the 12 exhaust camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA) as per Repair Instruction RA 11 33 050, Removing and installing/replacing all rocker arms. Only the exhaust camshaft and rocker arms have to be removed in order to replace the hydraulic valve lifters. Do not remove or replace any intake camshaft valve train components.

PARTS INFORMATION
Part Number
Description
Quantity

11 33 7 605 330
Hydraulic Valve Lifter (HVA)
12

Refer to EPC for additional gaskets, seals and bolts, as required by the Repair Instructions.

WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty, or the Certified Pre-Owned program.

Please refer to the latest KSD for the applicable Main or Associated labor allowance for the specific model.

Defect Code:
11 33 93 39 00


Labor Operation:
Labor Allowance:
Description:

00 58 248
Refer to KSD
Replace exhaust camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA)

*Main Work

or

00 58 827
Refer to KSD
Replace exhaust camshaft hydraulic valve lifters (HVA)

+ Associated Work

Note: The following explanations will spell out the correct use of the work times.

Main Work:
Use this labor operation number when the only repair performed is the listed warranty repair.


OR


+Associated Work:
Use this labor operation number when other repairs or services are performed along with the listed warranty repair.
Under no circumstances should both labor operation numbers be claimed. Attempts to claim both times will result in an unnecessary delay in claim processing and payment."
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Before you buy a used one I would get the Official BMW National Warranty Service records from any dealer, and then go after a local BMW dealers records for non-warranty repairs. That will tel you everything you need to know. Since i also do all the work myself, the parts are inconsequential, but OEM discs rotors and sensors for all four wheels on my 1999 540i still cost $600.-700. The parts for the cooling system, brakes and EGR system as well as all gaskets are another $1000. So be prepared, but the prices are about equivalent to a Cadillac. Join the local BMW club chapter, and you will have the advice and tools you need. When your car goes over 125,000, you have to expect some work. Wheel bearing parts at $60. and CV joints around $187. for the boot and kit. Cupholders are a persistent nuisance at $50. each.

I would get a catastrophic engine and drivetrain warranty at about $1200. just so you can sleep soundly at night. Tires are brutal for the cars, about $1200. Dealer labor rates are $125. per hour here and I have heard in LA and NYC they run about 2 big ones. The parts are minor, the labor is the killer.
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