X3 OEM Navigation Retrofit - Success!

I have my navigation retrofit all done and it has been working fine. I did end up purchasing an extra monitor, if anyone is interested I have it listed on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=250662569819

Hello All,

I the brand new owner of a x3 3.0 2005
I have the gps business monochrome and would like to install the retrofit for gps color

need to install CID module, lcd flip screen and the cable

question, can I do the same install on a 2005 modele?

thanks for any hints

Dark

Would it be cost efficient to piece the kit together or buy a complete kit off eBay?

I've seen a kit on eBay floating around for about $3999.00 usd.

Originally Posted by Alexdfw

Would it be cost efficient to piece the kit together or buy a complete kit off eBay?

I've seen a kit on eBay floating around for about $3999.00 usd.

Hello,

Thank you for your reply:
let me add:
- I already have a GPS monochrome Business Edition (with GPS module in the back of the trunk and GPS antenna installed)

- I have as well the CD Charger (no AUX available)
- I found CID module, LCD flip screen and Cables for 600 Euros (900 USD) (3 parts in Ebay - screen 100 euros, then CID about 350.00 and Cables 99 or 129 euros, depends where you buy)


will remain the install

basically, I cannot connect the Garmin BMW GPS (specifically said in the web page , cannot install if you have GPS Nav Business or Professional)

any one did the transformation on a 2005 model?

Originally Posted by darkrider

Hello,

Thank you for your reply:
let me add:
- I already have a GPS monochrome Business Edition (with GPS module in the back of the trunk and GPS antenna installed)

- I have as well the CD Charger (no AUX available)
- I found CID module, LCD flip screen and Cables for 600 Euros (900 USD) (3 parts in Ebay - screen 100 euros, then CID about 350.00 and Cables 99 or 129 euros, depends where you buy)


will remain the install

basically, I cannot connect the Garmin BMW GPS (specifically said in the web page , cannot install if you have GPS Nav Business or Professional)

any one did the transformation on a 2005 model?

Do you have a MK IV DVD drive in the rear in the trunk? If so you would need to verify that the cable running from the DVD drive to the radio is the same that is used in a Professional Navigation install. If so I would think the retro fit should be simple. I have a spare Navigation Professional CD Control Unit for sale: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...828&highlight=

Hello,

yes I have a MK4 (GPS / DVD) in the trunck - and, as I was giving my X3 to car service this morning (95000km - oil filters etc...) , I asked and had been told the modules are 100% compatibles.
just need the CID, cable + LCD flip screen

Of course the module is interresting for me... do you have the LCD flip screen as well ? in black
we can continue dicussion offline? my email creatom2@hotmail.com

cheers,
Dark

ok here results of my questions to bmw

- exists 2 sets
- 1 for models from 2004 till 2006
specific CID + specific Cable you can actually order and mount in BMW - ref available
- 1 for models after facelift and that can read Mp3 and ID3 tags
new CID (with chrome on the buttons) + cable you cannot order - kit does exist but not ref in the system

- Can not mount parts that you bring - You need to buy them from bmw (I can understand)

Originally Posted by jdeday

Do you have a MK IV DVD drive in the rear in the trunk? If so you would need to verify that the cable running from the DVD drive to the radio is the same that is used in a Professional Navigation install. If so I would think the retro fit should be simple. I have a spare Navigation Professional CD Control Unit for sale: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...828&highlight=

Hello,

Since no news from you,
Do you still have the part available?

thx
Dark

Originally Posted by darkrider

Hello,

Since no news from you,
Do you still have the part available?

thx
Dark

Yes I do. PM me and I will give you my email address so we can communicate off forum.

Jeff

Jeff, I tried:
- I gave you email address since the 5th of May, - no reply from you
- I sent you a PM as you requested last 10th of May - no reply from you
- I asked you if you had the LCD flip screen - still no news/reply from you

I am a bit concerned to do business in this context
Dark

Originally Posted by darkrider

Jeff, I tried:
- I gave you email address since the 5th of May, - no reply from you
- I sent you a PM as you requested last 10th of May - no reply from you
- I asked you if you had the LCD flip screen - still no news/reply from you

I am a bit concerned to do business in this context
Dark

I just check my sent items and I did email you from my gmail account on May 9th. Not sure what happen. Check you emails now, I PM'd you and sent you an email to you hotmail account.

Jeff

Hello all again,
I persued in the retrofit, and found all parts required.

Context: BMW X3 Da 2005
MK4 + CID NAv Business installed

Here is the first part of the journey:
first find the parts:
ebay...
you will need (If Previous Nav business is installed)
1 CID Professional (depends en what version you want - the OEM version from 2005 is a bit old - I went for a 2007 model compatible with MP3 and ID Tags)
1 Flap Display (standard for all X3 Generations ... Becareful exists a similare model for Z4 - IT IS NOT THE SAME PART - Go only for X3-E83 OEM)
1 Cable retrofit
1 Wires retrofit and plugs (to go to fuse box)
1 installation guide - BMW retrofit instruction guide pdf (available on Google)
here >>
http://www.bigpatsfans.com/x3_oem_nav_retrofit.pdf
you can find a complete set in ebay between 1000 euros up to 2500 euros (in germany)

mine all together was much cheaper about 750,00 euros (for example, I baught the LCD screen for 152 euros on ebay)
+ Displus MK4 encoding (about 120 euros) at BMW service

Beware -
- if you are not a bit experienced, and you plan doing it alone - you are going to suffer!...
- it takes several hours, so book your week end off and invite a friend with more experience than you!
- The cable fits just at the right place and has just the right size
- once you run the test that everything is working fine - install the wires and cable beginning from the CID toward the trunk

1) you will need to remove the back seats (quite easy) just unclip them (with your 2 hands on 1 side, pull toward the sealing gently - do same to the other side and slide out the whole backseat)
2) remove as well the sides to reveal the wires under the carpet, (same, just pull gently to unclip them)
3) you will need as well to remove the plastic cover, down the top of the seat belt, between the doors (there are 2 clips down - just pull gently - then slide down the whole part, don't pull - it slides gently as well
4) Use torque screwdriver to remove the cover left down and under the strearing weel
5) remove the speed meter (2 torque screws and the whole part slide gently out ) unplug it and leave it (we won't need it until the reassemble the car)
6) you will need to remove the central Air dashboard (push up from below- it will unclip it, and pull gently the whole part our from the dash board)
7) remove the 2 screws from the part to be replaced by the Display
8) remove the 2 screws holding the radio/CID Business
9) remove both part and unplugg gently the CID
10) when you see this :


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then follow the installation guide (link above)

cheers,
Dark

Originally Posted by sna77

First, here are the OEM install instructions:
http://www.bigpatsfans.com/x3_oem_nav_retrofit.pdf

Originally Posted by darkrider

1 installation guide - BMW retrofit instruction guide pdf (available on Google)
here >>
http://www.bigpatsfans.com/x3_oem_nav_retrofit.pdf
then follow the installation guide (link above)
cheers,
Dark

Good job! Congrats on the retrofit. FYI, I'm hosting the install guide on my website... It's linked in my initial post.

yes indeed it was at the first post.
so retrofit is same for all X3 from 2004 - 2010...

For the upgrade from Busness to Professional, you will need to go to your BMW Car service to ask for encoding the new setup using the DIS Plus computer.
there are 2 encodings - one that last for 5-7 hous to reprogram all modules in the car (when you add a new device for example - Navigation)
and a simpler encoding through CIP to set the MK4 to high (for prof.) instead of Low (for Business)

for me, the retrofit is not complete yet, as it seems the display is not working - while everything else works just fine ! .... grr.......
I am awaiting for a new lcd screen this week

Dark

New LCD Tested, same issue - NO VIDEO.
one hint:
BMWM01S is for monochrome GPS -
BMWC01S is for Color GPS

I need to flash the MK4 to be setup in color GPS

still not working ..... grrrr
Olivier

Finally! done ! working

Last night I received the my serial key for Navcoder and went attempting to make the damn thing work! but... no... after the encoding and reboot. no screen - still black.

Today, on my way back from the office, I opened the screen to see one more time if there would be any hope left... and after about 20mn I started to see a king of shape, something on the dark screen




and this is from this afternoon,
after having the car running for 20-30mn... I let you imagein how "dark" the screen was last night after beeing activated few minutes only

Obviously le second screen works far more better


OS upgrade required after encoding the mk4 (each time actually)


German ... oups...
NavCoder to change this


et voila


BTW here where I could connect the NAvcoder and the USB dongle
with the professional retrofit, the original cables remain in place. You just but need to connect the cable to the Blue Plug remaining


on the blue plug


Do not forget to burn 2 OS discs (V29 and v32 for me)


cheers,
Dark

will this work in place of the OEM GPS antenna?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Amplified-GPS-An...#ht_2710wt_994

Originally Posted by Alexdfw

will this work in place of the OEM GPS antenna?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Amplified-GPS-An...#ht_2710wt_994

Looks that it is the same plug, that should work just fine,
I am interested in knowing why you would replace the OEM one?

doesn't work ?

So, I decided a few weeks ago that I would retrofit a nav in my x3. Finally got around to doing it today (i should say tonight) AND i've come across a problem.

Everything is plugged as it should, but the monitor and MKIV unit aren't turning on.

I'd like to think that my wiring is correct, but something tells me I skipped a step.

I connected the black/white wire to the speedometer (no problem) and i connected the green/blue wire to the fuse box in the glove box. I couldn't find an empty spot for the X428 plug, so I ended up using an insulation-displacement connector. (i wonder if this has anything to do with my monitor/mkiv not working)

I connected A3 to the monitor and A1/A2 to their appropriate ends.

A6 & A7 went into the black CID plug (along with the other wires that were already present)

A10 and A9 are connected to the MKiv.

Am i missing something????

Someone please help!!! I don't want to have to undo everything just to leave home.

anyone have an idea???

Hello there!

one thing i found out is that the ground plug is extremly important
no ground, no juice.

just hook it to the metal structure holding the MK4, or better, few inches up right when you look at your MK4, there is a small nutt you can use.

that should start the MK4 and the screen
cheers,


PS: I Tried an interresting combinaison, my CID Business with screen + Flap LCD
Works great together!

Originally Posted by darkrider

Hello there!

one thing i found out is that the ground plug is extremly important
no ground, no juice.

just hook it to the metal structure holding the MK4, or better, few inches up right when you look at your MK4, there is a small nutt you can use.

that should start the MK4 and the screen
cheers,


PS: I Tried an interresting combinaison, my CID Business with screen + Flap LCD
Works great together!

Hmm.. that was the it! Thanks for your help darkrider! Now I need to get my MKIV out of Europe mode...

can someone tell me how much the entire project would cost for me to put the nav in my 2004 bmw x3...just a completely price including every cent needed to be spent on this. please and thank youu

Originally Posted by gzep23

can someone tell me how much the entire project would cost for me to put the nav in my 2004 bmw x3...just a completely price including every cent needed to be spent on this. please and thank youu

Probably around $2k.

You'd be much better off just doing this:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=371045

$60 for the bracket and drop $150 on any Garmin + $12 for a USB hardwire kit

Originally Posted by gzep23

can someone tell me how much the entire project would cost for me to put the nav in my 2004 bmw x3...just a completely price including every cent needed to be spent on this. please and thank youu

it costed for me 150 euros for the screen, and 100 for the cable
so all together 250 euros - retrofit with GPS Business upgraded to Profesional - integration included