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Old 09-07-2011, 09:07 PM
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I'm a noob so here's the stupid question of the day, Whats the advantage of having SAT besides shifting gears with the paddles? Is it a better transmission even though you may never use the shifting paddles? I'm trying to determine if i really need it or not as I plan on purchasing a 2012 535i within a the next month.

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Old 09-07-2011, 10:12 PM
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I'm a noob so here's the stupid question of the day, Whats the advantage of having SAT besides shifting gears with the paddles? Is it a better transmission even though you may never use the shifting paddles? I'm trying to determine if i really need it or not as I plan on purchasing a 2012 535i within a the next month.

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It's the same tranny as far as the internals are concened, but there are debatable changes associated with it. To understand my debatable comment, just follow the link below.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...ght=sport+auto
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Old 09-08-2011, 12:06 AM
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See this thread and the f10 forum link in it http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=562219

Get the SAT or it will be one of the worst mistakes in optioning the F10.

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Old 09-08-2011, 01:09 AM
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See this thread and the f10 forum link in it http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=562219

Get the SAT or it will be one of the worst mistakes in optioning the F10.
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:58 AM
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btw, a few members in this forum have pooh-poohed the SAT if you are keen to see the effort and time put in to reach the conclusion made in the f10 forum (in the other thread mentioned), see this thread http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=368952 caveat: it may be confusing along the way as the posters were testing, checking out, and confirming the options

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Would not order the car without it, even if just for the paddles and the nicer shifter.
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:30 AM
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I hate the paddles on the steering wheel so I didn't get SAT with my M-Sport 528i. But in sport and/or DS mode (by the way, both modes have the same effect on the tranny--as far as I can tell) I can't imagine the transmission performing any better (quicker).
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:46 AM
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I hate the paddles on the steering wheel so I didn't get SAT with my M-Sport 528i. But in sport and/or DS mode (by the way, both modes have the same effect on the tranny--as far as I can tell) I can't imagine the transmission performing any better (quicker).
I've had my car for 3 days now, and so far I don't use the paddles. (Partially because I'm babying the car during break-in.) But I can assure you that they don't get in your way at all. Unless you grip the wheel at 9 and 3 where the wheel is precisely in the webbing of your thumb, and your fingers are extended, the paddles don't get in your way. So I'm not sure from where your hatred stems...

I didn't drive the car without SAT, so I can't tell you via personal A vs. B comparison if there's a difference in shift speed. I suspect there may be, because it's been widely reported/suspected -- but that might be the internet echo chamber at work.

I bought it for three concrete reasons, aside from the purported shift time benefits:
(1) It's cheap.
(2) The shifter is aesthetically superior.
(3) The testing I did, and most of the reviews I read online, had the feature, and liked the experience. And so I opted for the known good vehicle configuration.

There's also another reason, but it's fuzzy:
(4) It feels odd ordering a BMW without ticking most, if not all, of the performance-oriented options.
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:58 AM
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I've had my car for 3 days now, and so far I don't use the paddles. (Partially because I'm babying the car during break-in.) But I can assure you that they don't get in your way at all. Unless you grip the wheel at 9 and 3 where the wheel is precisely in the webbing of your thumb, and your fingers are extended, the paddles don't get in your way. So I'm not sure from where your hatred stems...

I didn't drive the car without SAT, so I can't tell you via personal A vs. B comparison if there's a difference in shift speed. I suspect there may be, because it's been widely reported/suspected -- but that might be the internet echo chamber at work.

I bought it for three concrete reasons, aside from the purported shift time benefits:
(1) It's cheap.
(2) The shifter is aesthetically superior.
(3) The testing I did, and most of the reviews I read online, had the feature, and liked the experience. And so I opted for the known good vehicle configuration.

There's also another reason, but it's fuzzy:
(4) It feels odd ordering a BMW without ticking most, if not all, of the performance-oriented options.
All that, and an added attraction for me was the thicker steering wheel.
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Old 09-08-2011, 11:27 AM
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I've had my car for 3 days now, and so far I don't use the paddles. (Partially because I'm babying the car during break-in.) But I can assure you that they don't get in your way at all. Unless you grip the wheel at 9 and 3 where the wheel is precisely in the webbing of your thumb, and your fingers are extended, the paddles don't get in your way. So I'm not sure from where your hatred stems...

I didn't drive the car without SAT, so I can't tell you via personal A vs. B comparison if there's a difference in shift speed. I suspect there may be, because it's been widely reported/suspected -- but that might be the internet echo chamber at work.

I bought it for three concrete reasons, aside from the purported shift time benefits:
(1) It's cheap.
(2) The shifter is aesthetically superior.
(3) The testing I did, and most of the reviews I read online, had the feature, and liked the experience. And so I opted for the known good vehicle configuration.

There's also another reason, but it's fuzzy:
(4) It feels odd ordering a BMW without ticking most, if not all, of the performance-oriented options.
I simply don't like (or "hate") the way it looks on the steering wheel. Don't really know why I don't like it--I just don't. You believe it is aesthetically superior and I feel the opposite way. I'm ok with that--different strokes.

On the thickness of the steering wheel, the M-Sport steering wheel is plenty thick for me. Perhaps it's the same size that comes with SAT?
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:16 PM
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I simply don't like (or "hate") the way it looks on the steering wheel. Don't really know why I don't like it--I just don't. You believe it is aesthetically superior and I feel the opposite way. I'm ok with that--different strokes.

On the thickness of the steering wheel, the M-Sport steering wheel is plenty thick for me. Perhaps it's the same size that comes with SAT?
Steering wheel thickness is not affected by sport auto. Msport and sport pkgs affect the thickness.

This the order of thickness:
Regular < sport pkg steering wheel < msport steering wheel.

99% people like the look and feel of the SAT.

For $500, it can adjust steering weight, shifting point, shifting quickness and throttle response. It is the best value. It does provide more values for non-msport owners since it gives normal/sport console button that non-msport car comes without.
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Steering wheel thickness is not affected by sport auto. Msport and sport pkgs affect the thickness.

This the order of thickness:
Regular < sport pkg steering wheel < msport steering wheel.

99% people like the look and feel of the SAT.

For $500, it can adjust steering weight, shifting point, shifting quickness and throttle response. It is the best value. It does provide more values for non-msport owners since it gives normal/sport console button that non-msport car comes without.
If you have the M Sport and SAT is the Normal/Sport Button still there.. since the M Sport has DDC? Or is there no DDC if you get the SAT?
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:32 PM
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DDC is standard on all 2012 535i models. The rocker switch will give you the function either to be in Sport or ECO Pro mode. It doesn't specify anything about SAT.

Below is information from the Product Planning & Strategy Bulletin September Production Changes – Model Year 2012 5 Series Sedan and Gran Turismo: July 26, 2011

Driving Dynamics Control with ECO PRO – a button on the centre console enables the driver to select a new “ECO PRO” mode. ECO PRO enhances fuel efficiency by:
• Optimizing drive train, heating, air conditioning and electrical functions.
• Displaying driving tips on the iDrive screen to help conserve fuel.
• Displaying fuel saved as “bonus” miles added to the vehicle’s normal driving range.
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DDC is standard on all 2012 535i models. The rocker switch will give you the function either to be in Sport or ECO Pro mode. It doesn't specify anything about SAT.

Below is information from the Product Planning & Strategy Bulletin September Production Changes – Model Year 2012 5 Series Sedan and Gran Turismo: July 26, 2011

Driving Dynamics Control with ECO PRO – a button on the centre console enables the driver to select a new "ECO PRO" mode. ECO PRO enhances fuel efficiency by:
• Optimizing drive train, heating, air conditioning and electrical functions.
• Displaying driving tips on the iDrive screen to help conserve fuel.
• Displaying fuel saved as "bonus" miles added to the vehicle's normal driving range.
With the standard rocker switch ie the DDC, is the transmission the same with and without SAT? With the DDC can you tick chassis only and not drivetrain (such that one left/right the stick for the sportier drivetrain which consumes more petrol)?
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Old 09-09-2011, 05:57 AM
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DDC is standard on all 2012 535i models. The rocker switch will give you the function either to be in Sport or ECO Pro mode. It doesn't specify anything about SAT.

Below is information from the Product Planning & Strategy Bulletin September Production Changes – Model Year 2012 5 Series Sedan and Gran Turismo: July 26, 2011

Driving Dynamics Control with ECO PRO – a button on the centre console enables the driver to select a new "ECO PRO" mode. ECO PRO enhances fuel efficiency by:
• Optimizing drive train, heating, air conditioning and electrical functions.
• Displaying driving tips on the iDrive screen to help conserve fuel.
• Displaying fuel saved as "bonus" miles added to the vehicle's normal driving range.
What about 2011 models? I ordered M Sport and SAT.. Shouldn't the DDC button give the option for Comfort, Normal, Sport, and Sport+? With SAT as well are those options still there?

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Old 09-09-2011, 08:12 AM
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[QUOTE=It does provide more values for non-msport owners since it gives normal/sport console button that non-msport car comes without.[/QUOTE]

Can we infer from this that the only benefit of SAT in M-Sport models (including the 528i) is the addition of the paddles? I've read the manual and it's not as clear as it could be.

To repeat, in my M-Sport, I can't imagine a faster throttle response time or quicker transmission in Sport and Sport+ mode or in DS mode (turning the gear shifter to the left). Maybe it would be even better if I had SAT--I don't know. But the performance in S, S+ and/or DS modes is outstanding IMO with the M-Sport package.

For me it came down to whether I wanted the paddles on the steering wheel and I didn't.
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