Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 5 Series > F10 / F11 (2011 - Current)

F10 / F11 (2011 - Current)
The new chapter in the highly successful story of the BMW 5 Series Sedan (F10) and wagon (F11)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-17-2011, 07:12 AM
tlr550 tlr550 is offline
Registered User
Location: Massachusetts
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 42
Mein Auto: 2012 550xi
could use some opinions - 550xi

Hi all,

I intro'd myself a couple weeks ago and have been reading dozens of posts hoping to find my answers. I am in a quandry and could use some assistance. My current ride is an 09 535xi sport/prem/conv/cold/nav/prem stereo and some other goodies. Love the car but always downshifting for more oomph. Anyway lease is up soon so I am trying to decide on next car. I lease cuz i get bored in about 2 years and start researching the remainder of the last year for my new ride.

So here I am thinking i really want the 550, for the oomph. But is the new engine in the 535 better (ie quicker off line, passing etc) that the one I currently have? Problem is w the 550 and all the goodies I am at $78k w a lease of about $1080/mo. So, I am thinking that I should take some goodies off the list and get the 550. or, if the 535 is close in the oomph factor, get that with more goodies. The goodies in questions would be, ARS, HUD. Those 2 alone drops it by over $100/mo. On the topic of ARS, does it really make a difference? I have read all the posts and spoke to some dealers. But has anyone drove with and without back to back? I am a spirited driver and M pkg is a must with SAT, but is the ARS really worth it.

As for color, I am not a black color person, but saw the CArbon Blk at the dealer and it really is a beaut. So CB w Blk interior at this point. As for price, I have a dealer in CT that seems super and at $500 over invoice, but as you all know the residual is pathetic, although it should improve by the time of pick up.

Thanks for reading and I would really appreciate your opinions.
Reply With Quote
Ads by Google
  #2  
Old 09-17-2011, 07:29 AM
jc_///m3's Avatar
jc_///m3 jc_///m3 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Tennessee
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 184
Mein Auto: 2011 535xi ///M Sport
You may find the F10 535i provides sufficient power/accelleration that you're looking for. I initially experienced some mild "tip-in" accelleration delays, but this has dissipated entirely. Coming out of a E46 M3, I have no disappointments concerning the 535. It's a sporty, spirited drive and deceptively smooth...100 mph comes up so very imperceptively!
I encourage you to test drive both the 535 and 550 in a highway setting.
__________________
2011 535xi, Space Gray/Black Nappa
Retired: 2004 ///M3
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-17-2011, 07:52 AM
tlr550 tlr550 is offline
Registered User
Location: Massachusetts
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 42
Mein Auto: 2012 550xi
wish I could take a test drive. I am in a cast up to my knee. Ruptured my Achilles a week ago, so all I can do is live vicariouly thru all of you..
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-17-2011, 08:02 AM
DXK DXK is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Boston
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,160
Mein Auto: '11 550i
F10 N55 engine is rated the same output as the N54 in your car, although the torque curve is slightly different. However, the new car is several hundred pounds heavier, so it's not faster..
The ARS will benefit the driving dynamics enormously unless you're planning on driving mostly on runway at Logan airport; the stiffer dumpers in the M package will not give you the same driving characteristics on curves. (there is great deal of confusion on what the difference is on here, so read up on it yourself and go out for a test drive) You need to decide what's more important, luxury items or driving feel. The residual should improve in a few months.
__________________
'14 550i M Sport on order for ED June 30, 2014
'11 550i Sport
'08 535i Sport, BMW Welt, Dec. 23, 2007
'06 330i Sport
'06 P Boxster
'02 C32 AMG
'99 328i
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-17-2011, 08:38 AM
Needsdecaf's Avatar
Needsdecaf Needsdecaf is offline
Everything's Bigger in TX
Location: The Woodlands, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,106
Mein Auto: 2007 MDX
Quote:
Originally Posted by DXK View Post
F10 N55 engine is rated the same output as the N54 in your car, although the torque curve is slightly different. However, the new car is several hundred pounds heavier, so it's not faster..
The ARS will benefit the driving dynamics enormously unless you're planning on driving mostly on runway at Logan airport; the stiffer dumpers in the M package will not give you the same driving characteristics on curves. (there is great deal of confusion on what the difference is on here, so read up on it yourself and go out for a test drive) You need to decide what's more important, luxury items or driving feel. The residual should improve in a few months.
The car will feel slightly sluggish next to your car due to the softer power delivery and beefier weight. Some of that advantage is clawed back by the transmission, but not all of it.

As for the suspension, if you're getting a 2011 - buy the DHP, which includes ARS. For 2012, I would really like to drive a car with DHP and without ARS. I bet it would be less "floaty" than the current setup. If you're not in a hurry and looking at a 2012, I would wait and test drive one.
__________________
2011 535i
Sophisto Grau / Oyster - Black Nappa, Anthracite Wood Gone but not forgotten.

Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks are French, the cars are German, the lovers are Italian and it is all organised by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the cooks are English, the cars are French, the lovers are Swiss, and it is all organised by the Italians
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-17-2011, 09:26 AM
Needsdecaf's Avatar
Needsdecaf Needsdecaf is offline
Everything's Bigger in TX
Location: The Woodlands, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,106
Mein Auto: 2007 MDX
..
__________________
2011 535i
Sophisto Grau / Oyster - Black Nappa, Anthracite Wood Gone but not forgotten.

Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks are French, the cars are German, the lovers are Italian and it is all organised by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the cooks are English, the cars are French, the lovers are Swiss, and it is all organised by the Italians

Last edited by Needsdecaf; 09-17-2011 at 09:27 AM. Reason: Deleted duplicate post.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-17-2011, 09:37 AM
tdepetra tdepetra is offline
Qualityhound
Location: Midwest
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 495
Mein Auto: 2011 535Xi
I would definitely not commit to anything until you have sufficient test drive with the two models equipped the way you want. The 535 and 550 are very different and as nice as I think it is, you're likely to be disappointed in the 535.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-17-2011, 09:45 AM
dalekressin's Avatar
dalekressin dalekressin is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Oshkosh Wisconsin
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 6,006
Mein Auto: 2010 M3
heads up display is not going to do much for you in cost of in value.
__________________
94 530i sold (That was difficult for me)
01 530i >144,500+ miles SOLD
06 330XI winter's especially fun drive (SOLD)
10 M3 Sedan (sweet)
13 Nissan GT-R Black Edition
14 Porsche Cayenne Platinum Diesel

BMWCCA 4215
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-17-2011, 10:47 AM
bikerboy bikerboy is offline
Registered User
Location: Michigan
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 94
Mein Auto: 2011 550ix Sport
First of all, I ruptured my achilles tendon a number of years back. It's a LONG recovery. Dr. told me I'd be good as new in 6 months. He lied. I was still limping. It was my left, and I had a 545 stick shift. Had to give it to a friend inexchange for his Jeep Grand Cherokee. He was thrilled with the idea. He had it for more than 4 months, while I made the payments.

As for your question about models, get the 550. Put the Dinan stage 2 in (I just did yesterday after having the stage 1 for 9 months) and don't look back, except for the Porsches in your rear view mirror. You mentioned HUD. Get it. It may be the best option on the car.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-17-2011, 12:34 PM
tlr550 tlr550 is offline
Registered User
Location: Massachusetts
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 42
Mein Auto: 2012 550xi
yes the achilles is a tough injury. I am assuming that I have a 6-9 month recovery. Gives me lots of time to do research. I am still on the fence on ARS. Been reading all day but it is still unclear what the car is like w/o it. I appreciate the comments on the 535 engine. That pretty much sums it up for me and I am going with the 550. Lucky for me so I dont have to figure out how to change my name (tlr550). Phew!
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-17-2011, 12:46 PM
Stealth.Pilot's Avatar
Stealth.Pilot Stealth.Pilot is offline
The Driver
Location: Florida
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,558
Mein Auto: 2014 M5
The new 535 is no faster than old 535. If you want more oomph, 550i is the way to go. Plus you can increase oomph to M5 levels with the Dinan Stage 2 upgrade.
__________________

2014 ///M5 Individual
Frozen Grey, Silverstone Full Merino, Piano Black, Exec Pkg, Drivers assistance pkg, LED Package, Bang and Olufsen, 20" Forged wheels
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-17-2011, 01:04 PM
DXK DXK is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Boston
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,160
Mein Auto: '11 550i
ARS:

"Active hydraulic roll stabilizers enable dynamic driving while increasing both safety and comfort. These units generate stabilizing forces on the front and rear axles to minimize or completely eliminate roll movements in the vehicle body during curves. They enable optimal turn-in and load alteration performance. When the vehicle is moving straight ahead, the electronic control unit adjusts the damping level to ensure softer, more comfortable suspension properties. Copy movement in the vehicle body is reduced, which gives the vehicle greater agility and cornering predictability throughout the entire speed range. "
__________________
'14 550i M Sport on order for ED June 30, 2014
'11 550i Sport
'08 535i Sport, BMW Welt, Dec. 23, 2007
'06 330i Sport
'06 P Boxster
'02 C32 AMG
'99 328i
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-17-2011, 02:28 PM
dunderhi's Avatar
dunderhi dunderhi is online now
0-60 in 4 secs or less!
Location: MD
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,709
Mein Auto: '13 X5M, 650xi
Bummer about the cast. A a kid I got a Motobecane racing bicycle for my eighth grade graduation and promptly broke my collarbone playing backyard football the same week (a friends father tackled me hard). I spent the whole summer wishing I could ride that bike. So on the bright side, your new 550xi isn't parked in your driveway waiting six months for your to drive it.
__________________


2013 X5M ........ 2013 650xi ...... 2011 550xi (ret) 2011 335d (ret)
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-17-2011, 02:30 PM
Needsdecaf's Avatar
Needsdecaf Needsdecaf is offline
Everything's Bigger in TX
Location: The Woodlands, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,106
Mein Auto: 2007 MDX
Quote:
Originally Posted by dalekressin View Post
heads up display is not going to do much for you in cost of in value.
Er, what?

In any event, HUD is pretty cool, but the extended black panel display is a real difference maker in terms of how much better the interior looks.
__________________
2011 535i
Sophisto Grau / Oyster - Black Nappa, Anthracite Wood Gone but not forgotten.

Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks are French, the cars are German, the lovers are Italian and it is all organised by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the cooks are English, the cars are French, the lovers are Swiss, and it is all organised by the Italians
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-17-2011, 04:31 PM
tlr550 tlr550 is offline
Registered User
Location: Massachusetts
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 42
Mein Auto: 2012 550xi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Needsdecaf View Post
Er, what?

In any event, HUD is pretty cool, but the extended black panel display is a real difference maker in terms of how much better the interior looks.
I am not sure what that is or what it looks like. Does anyone have a pic to post on that.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-17-2011, 04:39 PM
Nobrandfanboy Nobrandfanboy is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Canada
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 430
Mein Auto: S4
Have you chipped your 535i with either the procede or jb3 software?
If not I would do that first, it should come close to the stock 550i with the chip.
__________________
2011 Audi S4
2003 Mercedes Benz E500
2001 Mercedes Benz S430
2001 Mercedes Benz C320
2000 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro
1997 BMW 540i
1991 Nissan 240SX
1990 Nissan Maxima
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-18-2011, 07:04 AM
tlr550 tlr550 is offline
Registered User
Location: Massachusetts
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 42
Mein Auto: 2012 550xi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobrandfanboy View Post
Have you chipped your 535i with either the procede or jb3 software?
If not I would do that first, it should come close to the stock 550i with the chip.
my current ride is an 09 535 which is coming off lease in January, hence my search for it's replacement.

I did find another post in the April timeframe that had pro/con for many of the options. I found it quite helpful. I think I have figured most of this out, with the exception of ARS. Still more research to do.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-18-2011, 07:39 AM
Kamdog's Avatar
Kamdog Kamdog is offline
-- Robert S. Johnson 56FG
Location: New York
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,867
Mein Auto: 2008 535i
When the F10 came out, BMW did a promotion where you got to drive comparable cars. I drove the Audi, Benz, and both the 550 and the 535. I felt that the 535 did not have quite as much oomph as my E60, while the 550 had substantially more, from a seat of the pants point of view.

I hope this helps.
__________________

535i, Monaco, Cream, Light Poplar, Comfort Seats, PP, Nav, ED.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-18-2011, 07:52 AM
tlr550 tlr550 is offline
Registered User
Location: Massachusetts
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 42
Mein Auto: 2012 550xi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamdog View Post
When the F10 came out, BMW did a promotion where you got to drive comparable cars. I drove the Audi, Benz, and both the 550 and the 535. I felt that the 535 did not have quite as much oomph as my E60, while the 550 had substantially more, from a seat of the pants point of view.

I hope this helps.
Every opinion is a data point, so yes that is helpful. Another poster mentioned correctly that the F10 is also a couple hundred pounds heavier as well. slower = me not being happy. The added Dinan is also so tempting, even if I am leasing. Maybe I would buy it at the end of the lease.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-18-2011, 08:24 AM
Nobrandfanboy Nobrandfanboy is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Canada
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 430
Mein Auto: S4
If you like to drive aggressively, then if you can swing it wait for the M5 instead of the 550 with the dinan. If you like to go in straight line then fine but if you really like the twisties then the upgraded suspension and brakes on the M5 will definitely benefit your type of driving apart from the extra power. Resale on the M5 should be pretty good also. I am guessing the price should not be that way off if you are going to option the 550i with the Msport and others and then adding in Dinan.
__________________
2011 Audi S4
2003 Mercedes Benz E500
2001 Mercedes Benz S430
2001 Mercedes Benz C320
2000 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro
1997 BMW 540i
1991 Nissan 240SX
1990 Nissan Maxima
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 09-18-2011, 09:36 AM
Needsdecaf's Avatar
Needsdecaf Needsdecaf is offline
Everything's Bigger in TX
Location: The Woodlands, TX
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,106
Mein Auto: 2007 MDX
Quote:
Originally Posted by tlr550 View Post
I am not sure what that is or what it looks like. Does anyone have a pic to post on that.
Many, many pictures and threads. Search black panel display or full black panel.
__________________
2011 535i
Sophisto Grau / Oyster - Black Nappa, Anthracite Wood Gone but not forgotten.

Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks are French, the cars are German, the lovers are Italian and it is all organised by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the cooks are English, the cars are French, the lovers are Swiss, and it is all organised by the Italians
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 09-18-2011, 10:09 AM
dunderhi's Avatar
dunderhi dunderhi is online now
0-60 in 4 secs or less!
Location: MD
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,709
Mein Auto: '13 X5M, 650xi
I suspect when we get the M5 xDrive in the States, it will have $20k premium over a 550xi.
__________________


2013 X5M ........ 2013 650xi ...... 2011 550xi (ret) 2011 335d (ret)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 5 Series > F10 / F11 (2011 - Current)
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:53 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2011 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms