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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki |
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Today, someone posted that their BMW battery didn't have the date stamped into the terminal lead:
- E39 (1997 - 2003) > Stranded won't start Quote:
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I always carry a Voltmeter ($3-4 from Harbor Freight) in my cars in case I need to check the battery etc.
Recently, a new product comes out: "cigarette voltage checker". You can get it online for about $6-8/each. I have this "cigarette voltage checker" in the glove box just for a quick check (this way you don't have to open the hood or trunk to check the battery). Kind of a "lazy" way to check the battery from the cockpit LOL. |
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Here is another link to:
Equus 3721 Battery and Charging System Monitor: http://www.amazon.com/Equus-3721-Bat.../dp/B000EVWDU0 |
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In addition, I just referred (for the umpteenth time) someone to this thread and realized that my engine-mounted battery charging picture wasn't clear as to where the positive & minus connection points were. So, I circled them to make them more clear to a newbie. |
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For the crosslinked record, cn90 proposed a novel way to boost a dead battery when, for whatever reason, neither the trunk nor the hood can be accessed:
- E39 (1997 - 2003) > battery dead- doors open trunk locked- really mad! help Quote:
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For the cross-linked record, today, there was a good discussion of battery tests here:
- E39 (1997 - 2003) > Battery Voltage |
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Great thread, subscribed.
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Darn it, I forgot to get the vent tube when I picked up my battery this morning. Thanks to the excellent links in this thread, I know that I can't "reuse" the one from the OE battery since its a different location.
Plus, let the car go to sleep. BTW, kudos as well for the very clear unlocking directions. Previous posts on different forums were confusing and I never tried. After my new battery is in, I'll unlock and check readings.
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OK the results on in
Unlocked my cluster this AM. After a night sitting, the car shows 13.6V with the engine running, 11.9 without. Good to go?
Interstate H9 had a prominent "Made in Germany" sticker on it. I know Johnson bought Varta in 2002 -- maybe they still have some factories over there? The connector lined right up with the vent tube, I didn't need the extra length. Of course this is M5 specific, not E39 but FYI. Also, I found via the date stamp on the old Exide battery that it was only 2.5 years old. I know these cars are hard on batteries and PO didn't drive it much. But better doublecheck the warranty I get on the Interstate.
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11.9V is considered fully discharged IIRC.
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DIY how to test a BMW E39 battery & alternator
Charging my battery in-situ (apparently) blew up my instrument cluster:
- Warning: I charged my battery today & apparently killed my instrument cluster & MID Coming here for help, I quickly realized this thread is harder to use than it should be because information is scattered about. To consolidate what's above ... WARNINGS:
- One user's experience debugging a half-dead instrument cluster (1) which, after testing the fuses (1) battery & alternator (1) thankfully turned into an alternative battery search (1) and a simple battery replacement DIY (1) Last edited by bluebee; 09-20-2011 at 09:49 PM. Reason: I will improve this DIY with whatever information others provide (so we can leverage it to others) |
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OK Blue, big clarification requested. You say above:
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I must admit I am thoroughly confused when I read and re-read the Bentleys as to WHAT loading/bleeding/running steps need to be done prior to the three specific tests (open circuit voltage, so-called closed-circuit voltage, & alternator output voltage).
I think we need someone (who actually knows the answer) to pitch in. IMHO, the Bentleys are supremely confusing in describing when & what to bleed/load/run before or during the battery tests!
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It's as good as I can do ... so ... PLEASE (pretty please) someone who actually knows the answer ... please correct and clarify the loading/bleeding/running situation as needed! Thanks. Last edited by bluebee; 09-17-2011 at 05:10 PM. |
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As always, I appreciate your efforts Blue.
Here's an update, that has raised more questions. I decided to remove the battery disconnect, just as a possible variable. So I do so, drive the car for a few minutes, repeat test -- heads on for one minute, engine off -- and now I'm getting 12.1V. ?? Any ideas why this would make a difference? I'll keep watching it daily.
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Today, I laboriously pulled my BMW battery out of the compartment (some pictures are posted here): - Good Replacement Batteries for the e39? Again, it was taking more than 6 amps for a long time (maybe a half hour to 45 minutes), which I think is what blew out my entire instrument cluster: - Warning: I charged my battery today & apparently killed my instrument cluster & MID I peeled the two stickers off & pried up the six caps (I'm not sure 'how' you can remove them without causing damage to the flimsy rubbery plastic edges) and added fluid as needed. Most cells took 15ml of distilled water, but, cell #4 (counting #1 as the one closest to the negative terminal) took 60ml, cell #5 took 20ml, and cell #6 took 30ml. Cell #2, which contained the specific gravity hydrometer was showing as 'green'. BTW, what do you guys use for specific gravity test tools? NOTE: I asked that as a separate thread, just now, over here: - What tool do most of you use to test the specific gravity (hydrometer) of the battery Last edited by bluebee; 09-19-2011 at 03:05 AM. |
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On the same topic of testing battery & alternator, I just purchased the "Car Voltmeter"; basically a Voltmeter that you simply plug into the cigarette socket and read.
1. Battery Voltage (for BMW key out of ignition; for Honda etc. you may need key in position II but engine OFF. It all depends on the car design of the cig socket circuit). 2. Alternator Voltage (engine running). I got "Vector VEC008" model on ebay for $10/each. I keep it in the glove box and it is a fantastic device that allows you to check the state of your battery and alternator without leaving the cockpit! Highly recommended for any vehicles that you own. Here is a photo of the "Car Voltmeter": |
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Is there anyway for me to check if my alternator is bad without actually starting the car? As some of you might know, my car fires up but dies after a second or 2. Or is the only way to check is to remove the alternator and bring it into autozone?
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I 'suspect' you 'can' test continuity, bearing noise, and voltage regulator & diode integrity on the vehicle without the engine running ... but we'd need someone to tell us which test points to use and what values to expect. |
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FYI
people said this Equus 3721 is no good, the battery voltage is reading low I bought US made http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0043G1FZG ![]() A bit more expensive but looks like more quality staff Patent pending technology that virtually eliminates unexpected car battery failures Alarms sound and error messages flash long before your battery reaches its end of life Monitors the battery 24/7, watches the battery when the engine is started, detects alternator over & undercharging conditions Displays battery charge state, engine start time, engine start voltage (most cars), alternator/battery voltage Designed to work in 12V power receptacles (cigarette lighter), no tools required Last edited by champaign777; 10-19-2011 at 10:06 PM. |
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Cn90 -- have you unlocked your cluster? If you have, can you confirm if the readers your cluster gives you for same voltage reading as your new meter?
My cluster doesn't match testing done at battery itself, and I'm wondering if cig lighter tool would match.
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I LIKE OLDER BMWS, PLEASE HELP ME: Fern Green 99 M3, Conforti Shark Software, Conforti CAI, Dinan Exhaust. Stamped LTWs, 235x40 square, OE Hella heads, ///M Pedal Kit, Clear Corners, OEM Rear Spoiler, CD43 stereo. MRegistry listing here. Le Mans 2002 M5, Black/Titanium, Rogue SSK, Dinan exhaust, PSS9 coilovers, Euro rotors, iPod integration. MRegistry listing here. |
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Edgy,
I verified the $10 voltmeter shown above (Vector VEC008) with my trusted Digital Voltmeter and it matches perfectly. |
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I wonder what they use for a 'voltmeter' sensor in the cluster? Where actually is the E39 voltmeter located anyway? In the DME? BTW, this thread shows the importance of the battery to healthy E39 electronics: - Case study: Low-voltage dead instrument cluster - no alphanumerics & most gauges inop Here are, from that thread, the easy-to-do steps for testing battery voltage after charging: Quote:
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Doing a search today to find better techniques to find parasitic leaks, I happened upon this novel (to me) voltage-drop method described in this thread:
- E46 (1999 - 2006) > Battery dies when car not driven for 2 days or more Quote:
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[QUOTE=bluebee;5825221]For reference, if someone comes here for a system reboot, here is how to properly do it (AFAIK) based on this thread.
Note 1: A full system reset procedure is as follows: 1. Pull down the battery access door in the trunk. 2. Remove the negative battery cable with a 10mm socket wrench 3. Remove the positive battery cable with a 10mm socket wrench 4. Touch battery cable terminals together (away from battery) for about 5 seconds (a small spark is said to be normal as this is said to be stored power draining from the system); on the E39, short with your wrench because the cables do not reach each other otherwise. 5. Allow cables to remain disconnected for about 5 minutes 6. Reconnect the positive battery cable 7. Reconnect the negative battery cable Don't EVER, EVER do this! You need to used a fused circuit between those terminals. Why? Because many components on these cars (especially e-60 and newer) have huge amounts of capacitance built into them. If there is a failure anywhere along the line, you just fried something. Always use a small wire with a 5 amp fuse. And if you don't think that's important, I have a few people that will disagree with you after damaging things first hand. |
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