Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 5 Series > F10 / F11 (2011 - Current)

F10 / F11 (2011 - Current)
The new chapter in the highly successful story of the BMW 5 Series Sedan (F10) and wagon (F11)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-13-2011, 01:28 PM
Limbo187 Limbo187 is offline
Registered User
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 37
Mein Auto: 2012 535i
NEED NEW LOOK... Looking for NEW rims and tires...

I've got my 535i, in Dark Graphite Metallic II, on order and will pick it up in Mar '12... I want to upgrade the rims/tires to ''20... But dont want to ruin the feel of the ride too. Any suggestions??? Pics if you got them...

Thinking something in CHROME, BLACK CHROME, or POLISHED GRAY/BLACK...
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	My 5 Series.jpg
Views:	149
Size:	7.4 KB
ID:	292944  
__________________
LIMBO
2012 535i, CB, Oyster/Black Dakota, M-Pkg, Tech Pkg, Sound Pkg, Premium Pkg, HUD, Side/Top Cameras...
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
  #2  
Old 09-19-2011, 05:31 PM
Limbo187 Limbo187 is offline
Registered User
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 37
Mein Auto: 2012 535i
Unhappy Not even one...

Comment...! Just want to know what were some good aftermarket rims and tires for the 2012 535i... I want 20"...
__________________
LIMBO
2012 535i, CB, Oyster/Black Dakota, M-Pkg, Tech Pkg, Sound Pkg, Premium Pkg, HUD, Side/Top Cameras...
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-19-2011, 05:37 PM
masti99 masti99 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: NY
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 435
Mein Auto: Hope to get F10
Choices, choices...

Preferred list in order:

BBS
Avant Garde M359 or M310
CSL series
Miro
ADV1
M6 replicas
MORR vs8.2

Check out tirerack.com for tire choices

Good luck!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-19-2011, 05:44 PM
baloo588 baloo588 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Forest
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 418
Mein Auto: car
I am getting the Avant Garde M359 this week and they are very good choice.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-19-2011, 05:54 PM
Z3grape Z3grape is offline
Registered User
Location: Minnesota
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 51
Mein Auto: 2011 528i
Quote:
Originally Posted by baloo588 View Post
I am getting the Avant Garde M359 this week and they are very good choice.
Yep.. Me too. I have 19" coming with blizzaks
__________________
2013 X5 35 M sport. Space Grey, Black Interior
--------
2011 335i x drive, Sapphire Black, Black Interior, M package, premium, cold weather, convenience packages, comfort entry, ect... The wife gets to work in all weather and fast
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-19-2011, 06:25 PM
dunderhi's Avatar
dunderhi dunderhi is online now
0-60 in 4 secs or less!
Location: MD
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,774
Mein Auto: '13 X5M, 650xi
BBS RGRs - 19", forged, and only weigh ~20.5lbs: old school look included. My sig pic should indicate how much I like them.
__________________


2013 X5M ........ 2013 650xi ...... 2011 550xi (ret) 2011 335d (ret)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-19-2011, 06:46 PM
octopump's Avatar
octopump octopump is offline
Brevity = soul of wit
Location: NYC
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,999
Mein Auto: F10
Subscribed.


Looking forward to seeing some pictures when you guys get your wheels!


The Avant Garde M310 are only $220/ each http://www.carid.com/avant-garde-wheels/m310-92989.html

How does changing the wheels affect suspension and braking performance, if at all?

Are you guys mounting regular tires on your new rims? The suspension is tuned for RFTs so how is cornering at high speed? Side walls on regular tires are less stiff.

Noob question if I may: I see that forged wheels denote higher quality. Why is that? What does forged mean in this context?

Last edited by octopump; 09-19-2011 at 08:02 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-19-2011, 07:44 PM
snj1013 snj1013 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Houston, TX
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 541
Mein Auto: 2011 528i
Forged wheels are stronger and lighter than cast wheels as a rule.

As far as the car being "tuned" for RFTs, don't overthink this one. If you want a sporty feel, buy a performance tire. If you want a tire that last a long time, don't expect it to have the same ultimate performance. The one item I will add is that you can go from RFTs to a lower aspect ratio non-flats and not loose much as far as ride quality. I went from 17" RFTs to 19" non-flats (Continental DWS with Avant Garde M310s) and the ride is very similar.

As far as weight of a wheel/tire combination, here is where most uninformed make mistakes. If you don't understand "unsprung" weight, do a google search. A couple of pounds per wheel/tire can make a significant difference in acceleration, braking, and handling. Here is a link where information on BMW OEM wheels and their weights can be found http://felgenkatalog.auto-treff.com/ Do your homework so you don't get surprised by a "sluggish" car after installing new wheels and tires.

Last edited by snj1013; 09-19-2011 at 07:45 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-19-2011, 08:10 PM
octopump's Avatar
octopump octopump is offline
Brevity = soul of wit
Location: NYC
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,999
Mein Auto: F10
Thanks. Very interesting. Will do some reading. Started here: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15785

That link is very useful. My 331 style rims weight 35.49 lbs each!
Most after-market rims listed above are < 30 lbs right? That can only be good for the feel of the car if I stay at my current 19" wheel size, correct?

Also found this wheel/ tire/ offset calculator: http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp

What am I looking for when it comes to my wheels: 245/40-19 front 275/35-19 back?

Last edited by octopump; 09-19-2011 at 08:18 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-19-2011, 08:11 PM
snj1013 snj1013 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Houston, TX
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 541
Mein Auto: 2011 528i
Those are the tires sizes I went with.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-19-2011, 08:33 PM
octopump's Avatar
octopump octopump is offline
Brevity = soul of wit
Location: NYC
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,999
Mein Auto: F10
That's what my 535i with Sport came with.


Side-note: I had 225/45-17 Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus on 17" stock wheels on my 2008 E92 335i and it didn't help the handling that much vs. OEM Continental ContiProContact SSR RFTs. If anything it didn't corner as well.
I still didn't trust the car above 70-75 on any pavement anything less than pristine. It would "float" for a split second if I hit damaged pavement in a curve for instance. Very eery. Hated the feel.
I assumed the problem came from the BMW suspension set-up for the RFTs. While seeking better handling I took off the OEM RFTs but the "better" tires couldn't compensate on their own for what I had lost in the conversion.


How does one find-out about offset: do you go and measure it on your car?
Someone answered my question here: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=434760 but how do they know?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-19-2011, 08:41 PM
snj1013 snj1013 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Houston, TX
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 541
Mein Auto: 2011 528i
Offset info is available in the link I posted. Basically it is defined as the distance from the centerline of the wheel to the hub of wheel. A higher number will "tuck" the wheel more under the fenders. Keep the offsets consistent with wheels that are offered by BMW for your model for the width of wheel you are considering, and you should be OK. Post specific question on the Wheel/Tire section and Gary from Tirerack can provide recommendations.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-19-2011, 08:49 PM
Nobrandfanboy Nobrandfanboy is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Canada
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 430
Mein Auto: S4
Chrome? I say polished would be nice but Chrome is a little to blingy for a luxury sedan unless you are a rapper.
__________________
2011 Audi S4
2003 Mercedes Benz E500
2001 Mercedes Benz S430
2001 Mercedes Benz C320
2000 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro
1997 BMW 540i
1991 Nissan 240SX
1990 Nissan Maxima
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-19-2011, 09:39 PM
Stealth.Pilot's Avatar
Stealth.Pilot Stealth.Pilot is offline
The Driver
Location: Florida
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,561
Mein Auto: 2014 M5
Get BMW 343M once they are out.
__________________

2014 ///M5 Individual
Frozen Grey, Silverstone Full Merino, Piano Black, Exec Pkg, Drivers assistance pkg, LED Package, Bang and Olufsen, 20" Forged wheels
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-19-2011, 09:42 PM
dunderhi's Avatar
dunderhi dunderhi is online now
0-60 in 4 secs or less!
Location: MD
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,774
Mein Auto: '13 X5M, 650xi
Quote:
Originally Posted by v12 View Post
That's what my 535i with Sport came with.


Side-note: I had 225/45-17 Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus on 17" stock wheels on my 2008 E92 335i and it didn't help the handling that much vs. OEM Continental ContiProContact SSR RFTs. If anything it didn't corner as well.
I still didn't trust the car above 70-75 on any pavement anything less than pristine. It would "float" for a split second if I hit damaged pavement in a curve for instance. Very eery. Hated the feel.
I assumed the problem came from the BMW suspension set-up for the RFTs. While seeking better handling I took off the OEM RFTs but the "better" tires couldn't compensate on their own for what I had lost in the conversion.


How does one find-out about offset: do you go and measure it on your car?
Someone answered my question here: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=434760 but how do they know?
That's interesting. I felt that my 335d was unsafe on uneven pavement when I had the RFTs. The nonRFTs tires got rid of that sudden airborne feeling whenever I hit a bump. I have 18" wheels, so that could be a factor. My winter set at 17" are softer than the 18s, but they have never felt too soft for high speeds or hard turns; they roll a bit more, but that just makes the drive more engaging, right?

On the F10, the nonRFTS will soften the ride some and provide improved feel. I always drive in Sport mode for a tighter ride. Lighter wheels will improve the quickness in steering response. If you decide to go lighter, cost and weight go hand in hand.

Here's my list of light to not so light, expensive to not so expensive:

1. Forged
2. Flow forged, spun forged, flow formed - cast center and rolled rim
3. Pressure cast
4. Cast

Any wheel that is lighter than its manufacturing method may have given up strength to achieve its weight. Most BMW wheels nowadays are in the cast/pressure cast categories.
__________________


2013 X5M ........ 2013 650xi ...... 2011 550xi (ret) 2011 335d (ret)
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-20-2011, 03:17 AM
octopump's Avatar
octopump octopump is offline
Brevity = soul of wit
Location: NYC
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,999
Mein Auto: F10
Quote:
Originally Posted by snj1013 View Post
Offset info is available in the link I posted. Basically it is defined as the distance from the centerline of the wheel to the hub of wheel. A higher number will "tuck" the wheel more under the fenders. Keep the offsets consistent with wheels that are offered by BMW for your model for the width of wheel you are considering, and you should be OK. Post specific question on the Wheel/Tire section and Gary from Tirerack can provide recommendations.


Yes I saw, it's in the Größe (size) column 8.5 front and 9 back in my case but how does one get that number if the info isn't readily avail? Is there a tool? I can't imagine people trying to measure this accurately themselves.
Or is the info always avail somewhere: perhaps they start from the OEM numbers and look at the specs of the wheels they are considering and make a determination as to whether it'd work for their car.





dunderhi -

Thank you for that.
My F10 came with Dunlop RFTs and so far, without pushing the car, I can say that it feels much more "planted" on the road than my E92 with or without RFTs. It also corners much better and at higher speeds in my opinion.
Both cars non-Xdrive. Perhaps the longer wheel-base on the F10 is the explanation.

I see many wheels "designers" and they all offer their version of the Avant Gard M310 (7 double-spokes) or M359 (8 double-spokes) design. How do they all survive that much competition?
I like HRE wheels a lot but they are much more than say MORR wheels. How is the price difference justified?

Last edited by octopump; 09-20-2011 at 05:52 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-20-2011, 05:00 AM
dunderhi's Avatar
dunderhi dunderhi is online now
0-60 in 4 secs or less!
Location: MD
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,774
Mein Auto: '13 X5M, 650xi
I think e90post has the calculator you are looking for; it is at the top of their tires/wheels forum. The felgen catalog has the OEM size and offsets. IIRC, 19x8.5 offset 33mm and 19x9.0 offset 44mm.

As far as pricing is concerned, the manufacturing process, alloy composition, country of manufacture, sales volume, build to order or stock sizing, and brand premium all influence the pricing. I haven't looked at HRE vs MORR, so I can't offer an opinion at this point.
__________________


2013 X5M ........ 2013 650xi ...... 2011 550xi (ret) 2011 335d (ret)
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-20-2011, 05:54 AM
octopump's Avatar
octopump octopump is offline
Brevity = soul of wit
Location: NYC
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,999
Mein Auto: F10
Yes, I saw it.

Do you have shots of your back wheels? They look like they have a "deep dish" design to them, is that correct?


Some MORR wheels for the F10: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=557252
The MS8 have a nice finish/ color to them, though I dislike how the back of the wheel is shinny vs. the front-end.

Last edited by octopump; 09-20-2011 at 10:57 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-20-2011, 06:56 AM
Nobrandfanboy Nobrandfanboy is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Canada
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 430
Mein Auto: S4
Quote:
Originally Posted by v12 View Post
Yes I saw, it's in the Größe (size) column 8.5 front and 9 back in my case but how does one get that number if the info isn't readily avail? Is there a tool? I can't imagine people trying to measure this accurately themselves.
Or is the info always avail somewhere: perhaps they start from the OEM numbers and look at the specs of the wheels they are considering and make a determination as to whether it'd work for their car.





dunderhi -

Thank you for that.
My F10 came with Dunlop RFTs and so far, without pushing the car, I can say that it feels much more "planted" on the road than my E92 with or without RFTs. It also corners much better and at higher speeds in my opinion.
Both cars non-Xdrive. Perhaps the longer wheel-base on the F10 is the explanation.

I see many wheels "designers" and they all offer their version of the Avant Gard M310 (7 double-spokes) or M359 (8 double-spokes) design. How do they all survive that much competition?
I like HRE wheels a lot but they are much more than say MORR wheels. How is the price difference justified?
When buying expensive rims like HRE an Morr you should also look at the company that manufacture the rims. A lot of company that make wheels come and go, so it is important to buy from a well established company just in case down the road you destroy a rim and need another one ( unless you are buying 5 to begin with). Some of the Morr and HRE price difference also can be attributed to that the Morr makes specific sizes while the HRE are all custom made to any size any way you like it. Never heard of Morr but HRE is one of the larger high end manufacturers along with BBS. I would personally choose BBS as they are used by many racing teams, large distribution channels hence easy to get replacement rims, and very good QC.
__________________
2011 Audi S4
2003 Mercedes Benz E500
2001 Mercedes Benz S430
2001 Mercedes Benz C320
2000 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro
1997 BMW 540i
1991 Nissan 240SX
1990 Nissan Maxima
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 5 Series > F10 / F11 (2011 - Current)
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2011 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms