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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 09-26-2011, 10:55 AM
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Could someone tell me if I made a good deal?

I ordered my X5 an negotiated a all inclusive price that covers everything.

My X5 MSRP is $67.240 with all options and destination charge.

I got all 3 Credits which are worth $5.230 in total.

My Tax is 7% and all fees like title, etc is incl in the fix end price of:
$59.765

Could some one tell
Me how much this is over invoice?
And I u made a good deal?

Thanks to all!
The deal does not make sense...

The invoice cost of a car at an MSRP of 67240 is ~62,750... subtract 5230 and you have 57520...add 4026 in tax at 7% and 500 fees, and you are at 62046...and no dealer profit, no maco. Not sure how you get 59k.

Lease or purchase?

Check your MSRP and invoice prices on Edmunds.com
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Old 09-26-2011, 11:01 AM
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Hmm?

Good question?
I pay cash and the final number is $59.800 with all incl. Ready to pick up. I don't know what they did but it sound like a good deal?!

The wholesale price on the order and the MSRP is what I said before.

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Old 09-26-2011, 11:43 AM
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Wait, the Navi Credit... is $1730?

So, you order the $1700 Technology Package (ZTP) and it is essentially free?

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Old 09-26-2011, 11:54 AM
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Wait, the Navi Credit... is $1730?

So, you order the $1700 Technology Package (ZTP) and it is essentially free?

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No, nav is not in ZTP (any more)...ztp is side cameras, hud and some other nonsense...

You can add nav stand alone or in maybe ZPP?
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:09 PM
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NAV is stand-alone option 609, for $1900. If I add it, then I get the $1730 rebate (net cost $170)?

Correct?

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Old 09-26-2011, 02:42 PM
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How much are the MACO and training fee? My deal is $58265 OTD 7% tax (Illinois) with eco credit and nav credit. My options are the premium package, space saver spare and running boards. The CA is telling me that they are making only $1000 above invoice, but it seems to be a lot more? What do you guys think? TIA
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Old 09-26-2011, 03:50 PM
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My dealer just showed me a document that says Eco Credit has been reduced to $2500 for the '12 model year.



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Old 09-26-2011, 05:23 PM
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Yes, it is $2500...confirmed in other threads/post and mentioned in post 5 above.

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Old 09-26-2011, 05:50 PM
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How much are the MACO and training fee? My deal is $58265 OTD 7% tax (Illinois) with eco credit and nav credit. My options are the premium package, space saver spare and running boards. The CA is telling me that they are making only $1000 above invoice, but it seems to be a lot more? What do you guys think? TIA
The base is 51795...add 275, 3185 and 135 for (boards, premium and spare), 875 for delivery and 200 for training...Invoice is then 56465. add 1000 profit, subtract 2500 eco and 1730 nav, and you have 53235. Add 7% and you are at 56,961

The delta is $1300 (and I already had 1000 profit in there.)

Any other costs you havent mentioned? Doc fees? registration?
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Old 09-26-2011, 07:11 PM
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The base is 51795...add 275, 3185 and 135 for (boards, premium and spare), 875 for delivery and 200 for training...Invoice is then 56465. add 1000 profit, subtract 2500 eco and 1730 nav, and you have 53235. Add 7% and you are at 56,961

The delta is $1300 (and I already had 1000 profit in there.)

Any other costs you havent mentioned? Doc fees? registration?
The doc fee is $156, the license & title fee is $194 and the optional electronic registration fee is $25. He said that I am not figuring out the MACO and training fee in, but that can't be $1000. According to my calculations from edmunds, the invoice price is 56265 with my options. His sale price is 54088 after incentives before tax(3798.84) the reg(25), licence(194) and doc fees(156). I guess the difference between his price and invoice is $2053, which would cover the MACO, training plus profit? Unless those two fees amount to $1053 dollars, he is making more than $1000. In addition to that he is making close to $2000 from BMW directly, because dealer cost and invoice are two different numbers. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thank you so much for your input!!!
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Old 09-26-2011, 08:04 PM
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Your invoice is 56265, and I had 56465...the delta is the 200 training.

Maco varies but is 0 to 400, and depends on the area. Chicago may be on the higher side, if BMW does a lot of TV advertising there. Training is fixed, set by BMW at $200 per diesel.

Looks like he is making around 1500. Not a horrible deal.

Dealers do make extra $$$ on a sale, but it isn't as straightforward as the 3% 'holdback' on other marques... it varies based on all kinds of things- and NOBODY i've ever read has really dipped into that as part of a deal.

Now, here's the thing- you can get a better deal most likely, but you are starting over.... the annoying part is getting lied to. Is it worth the $500, maybe 750 you could negotiate elsewhere?

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Old 09-27-2011, 06:17 AM
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Your invoice is 56265, and I had 56465...the delta is the 200 training.

Maco varies but is 0 to 400, and depends on the area. Chicago may be on the higher side, if BMW does a lot of TV advertising there. Training is fixed, set by BMW at $200 per diesel.

Looks like he is making around 1500. Not a horrible deal.

Dealers do make extra $$$ on a sale, but it isn't as straightforward as the 3% 'holdback' on other marques... it varies based on all kinds of things- and NOBODY i've ever read has really dipped into that as part of a deal.

Now, here's the thing- you can get a better deal most likely, but you are starting over.... the annoying part is getting lied to. Is it worth the $500, maybe 750 you could negotiate elsewhere?

HTH

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Thank you! I knew he was pulling my chain... Oh well, I guess I'll do better if I have numerous quotes, but we were in a hurry to order due to a new addition to the family coming in November. Thanks again!
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Old 09-27-2011, 05:13 PM
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Hi there. New to the forum and wanted to get people's opinions on the deal below. Seems like a good price but dealer was easy to negotiate with so I wonder what I'm missing.

2011 X5 35d
Premium Pkg
Rear Climate Pkg
Roof Rails
Heated from seats
Navigation
Satellite radio
iPod adapter
BMW apps

MSRP = $60475
Quote = $51000 + TTL

Seems reasonable based on TrueCar.com but please let me know your thoughts. The big missing item to me is PDC since there is no Tech Pkg on this build.

Any other nuances you all may be aware of would be very helpful also.

Many thanks in advance.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:22 PM
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Hi there. New to the forum and wanted to get people's opinions on the deal below. Seems like a good price but dealer was easy to negotiate with so I wonder what I'm missing.

2011 X5 35d
Premium Pkg
Rear Climate Pkg
Roof Rails
Heated from seats
Navigation
Satellite radio
iPod adapter
BMW apps

MSRP = $60475
Quote = $51000 + TTL

Seems reasonable based on TrueCar.com but please let me know your thoughts. The big missing item to me is PDC since there is no Tech Pkg on this build.

Any other nuances you all may be aware of would be very helpful also.

Many thanks in advance.
Why would you buy a 2011?

lease or cash?
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:03 PM
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This would be for a purchase and I believe for the diesels, the 2012 won't be coming for a while so the inventory that is left is what is on the lot (I could be mistaken).
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:20 PM
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This would be for a purchase and I believe for the diesels, the 2012 won't be coming for a while so the inventory that is left is what is on the lot (I could be mistaken).
Mine just began production on Saturday, and I expect it out here in California by Oct 15-ish.

I paid 750 over 'invoice' (ie the invoice prices plus delivery plus 200 training) and got the 2500, 1730 and 1000(loyalty)

Much of the stuff that is an option on the 11 is now standard- check it out. Your price may, in fact, go down!

if this car is precisely what you want, then perhaps NBD...but in 2 years, the resale on a 2011 versus 2012 will be $X. Fill in the X and decide!

Glad you found bimmerfest- Xoutpost also a good resource.

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PS Lemme guess, the salesman told you that story, that the 2012s would be a while and you needed to jump on this 2011? Truthfully, it WILL be a while before that have orders for the lot, etc...but you can probably find a dealer with a mid to late Oct 'slot' and you'll have it 2 weeks later.
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:48 PM
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Thanks for the info -- that is helpful to say the least. The thing is, that 2011 seems like a good deal to me, so I figured if there were no major changes expected for 2012, then this might be worth jumping on...
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Old 09-27-2011, 08:07 PM
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Thanks for the info -- that is helpful to say the least. The thing is, that 2011 seems like a good deal to me, so I figured if there were no major changes expected for 2012, then this might be worth jumping on...
That is a very good deal. You might want to spec out a '12 just to see what it would be though. You also might want to take a hard look at better seats than stock...I got the ZAV option and they are superb but there are also Sport seats or the Multi-contour option.
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Old 09-28-2011, 12:59 PM
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Final comparision - and Can we get carbon black in x5

So folks, coming back to the original estimates, i have the following number, which despite what you guys are quoting are below invoice cost

2012 - x5d
MSRP - Invoice Price - Quote
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Base Price -- 56700
3rd Seating - 1700
Running Boards - 300
Premium Package - 3500
Tech package - 1700
BMW Apps - 250
Soft Close Doors - 600
MSRP - 64750 - 60250
Destination - 875 - 875
Total - 65625 - 61125 - 59998


Incentives
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Eco Credit - 2500 - 2500 - 2500
Nav - 1730 - 1730 - 1730
Other - 1000 - 1000 - 1000

Total - 60395 - 55925 - 54798
Dealer P - 199 - 189 - 199

Total - 60594 - 54987 - 56124

Out of the door - 64887 - 58663 - 59749.5

I guess I have 3 different quotes, this was the cheapest.

One question : Do we have carbon black as an option in the x5.

Thanks,
Jitesh

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