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Old 10-05-2011, 01:28 PM
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Z4 factory alarm vs alternatives

while i've pretty much given up on getting my GROM unit installed and working i've decided to install an alram because... the car needs an alarm.


should i go with the factory unit w/interior sensors or w/o the interior sensors? also are there alternatives that will cost less?

the dealer quoted me $700 and quoted me 3 hours labor? Is it possible to do it myself and buy a windscreen with the savings or, should i just bite the bullet and pay up.

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Old 10-05-2011, 02:17 PM
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If you can install the GROM thingy you can install the alarm, but you do have to remove the center console which is a PITA.
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Old 10-05-2011, 02:29 PM
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A search will turn up lots of info about DIY for the factory alarm. You can buy the parts for the basic alarm components and install it yourself for very little. Adding the roadster interior motion sensor adds considerably to the cost, but you'll still be under 300.00 for all the factory pieces.

After installation, the alarm will most likely need to be activated/coded by a BMW dealer for anything more than adding basic audio 'chirping' on lock/unlock.
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Old 10-06-2011, 05:58 AM
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I would like to know where to buy the pigtail that plugs in to the factory alarm interface for a Z3?
I think I can install the alarm easily, but want to get the plug for a clean install and to give it that factory look.
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Old 10-06-2011, 09:42 AM
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How does one tell if a factory alarm system is present? When I lock the car with the key fob, after a few seconds a red light starts blinking under the rear view mirror (which leads me- and hopefully any prospective criminal- to believe there is some sort of alarm activated).
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:07 AM
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How does one tell if a factory alarm system is present? When I lock the car with the key fob, after a few seconds a red light starts blinking under the rear view mirror (which leads me- and hopefully any prospective criminal- to believe there is some sort of alarm activated).

I have no idea, I'm actually awe struck by that fact that the original owner spent almost $50k on the car, loading it with all the toys, and didn't get an alarm... it's ridiculous.

but i love that person for not driving the car!!!! 2003 with 43000K miles

i ran the vin and got a list of all the options that were installed (http://www.bmw-options-vin-decoder.com/)......

Detail:


Vehicle information



VIN long: *Go ninja, Go ninja, Go!*

Type code BT33

Type Z4 2.5I (USA)

Dev. series E85 ()

Line Z

Body type ROADST

Steering LL

Door count 2

Engine M54

Cubical capacity 2.50

Power 141

Transmision HECK

Gearbox MECH

Colour TITANSILBER METALLIC (354)

Upholstery LEDER OREGON/TRAUMROT (LATL)

Prod. date 2003-09-10



Order options

No. Description

224 DYNAMIC DRIVING CONTROL

332 LT/ALY WHEELS/TURBINE STYLING 106

354 GREEN STRIPE WINDSCREEN

399 SOFTTOP OPERATION, FULLY AUTOMATIC

430 INT/EXT RR VW MIRROR W AUT ANTI-DAZZLE

435 WOOD TRIM

441 SMOKERS PACKAGE *herb farmer*

459 SEAT ADJUSTM., ELECTR. W. MEMORY

493 STORAGE COMPARTMENT PACKAGE

494 SEAT HEATING F DRIVER/FRONT PASSENGER

520 FOGLIGHTS

521 RAIN SENSOR

522 XENON LIGHT

534 AUTOMATIC AIR CONDITIONING

540 CRUISE CONTROL

550 ON-BOARD COMPUTER

639 COMPLETE PREP. CELLULAR PHONE USA/CDN

645 RADIO CONTROL US

662 RADIO BMW BUSINESS CD

676 HIFI LOUDSPEAKER SYSTEM

692 CD CHANGER I-BUS PREPARATION

704 M SPORT SUSPENSION



Series options

No. Description

255 SPORTS LEATHER STEERING WHEEL

305 REMOTE CONTROL FOR CENTRAL LOCKING

470 CHILD SEAT ISOFIX ATTACHMENT

823 HOT CLIMATE VERSION

845 ACOUSTIC BELT WARNING

853 LANGUAGE VERSION ENGLISH

876 RADIO FREQUENCY 315 MHZ



------------------------no alarm
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:25 AM
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How does one tell if a factory alarm system is present?
Probably the easiest way to tell is to look under the hood. The OEM alarm has a hood switch located in a bracket in the centre of the firewall. If you don't see a switch there, you can be pretty sure you don't have an alarm installed. The siren/tilt sensor module goes in the rear right wheel well, on the non-M cars.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:37 AM
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Probably the easiest way to tell is to look under the hood. The OEM alarm has a hood switch located in a bracket in the centre of the firewall.

Thank you. I definitely have the hood switch- the first weekend after I purchased the car I spent about 10 minutes trying to figure out where the under hood lamp was (because I could see a depression switch and assumed there had to be a light somewhere that was activated by it).

I will sleep much easier when traveling (doesn't seem to be very good security at DFW airport parking).
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Old 10-06-2011, 01:59 PM
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Make sure you test it to make sure it is coded 'on'. On a roadster you can always try and pop the hood with the roof down, but not sure of the easiest way with a coupe - unless it lets you arm the car with the windows down.

I guess you could always try and set off the motion sensor by rocking it up and down - the motion sensor is inside the alarm module inside the right rear wheel well.

Does your car 'chirp' when it is armed/disarmed? It can't do that unless the alarm siren is installed, but it's also optional to enable either auditory or visual indicators (chirp and/or lights flashing) to indicate the arming state. Another dealer coding option, unfortunately.
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:26 PM
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No chirp- I've always assumed it was just disabled...

I suppose I could put a remote control car in the floorboard, lock her up, then move the car around.
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:29 PM
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As WestCDA indicated, if you have the hood switch located in between the V-braces on the firewall (see attached picture), then you have the alarm.
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Old 10-08-2011, 03:42 PM
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Hi, open your hood, push the button inward and keep it there and with the remote lock your car, after 40 seconds or so leave go of the switch, if it is program the siren will go off.
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Old 10-08-2011, 04:42 PM
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Good idea, Mars01 - that should do the trick!
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:36 AM
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Exclamation rape!

I'm going with the basic alarm install ($37 from tisher) and i want to code it myself. how do i get a hold of the software?

ebay?



why... the dealer (BMW of Towson) was charging $7xx or something like that. i asked for a breakdown of the price and they said the alarm would cost $388 (/w interior sensor) itself and the labor would be 348 @ 2.7hrs (129 /hr)....

Bmw of Towson's alarm order section...

Where'd the extra $60 come from in the quote?

Mysterious alarm .... from From BMW of Towson being sold on amazon

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65730302424 $37 tisher performance
65730309944 $120-250 tisher performance
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Old 10-11-2011, 08:22 AM
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Does anybody know if the Alarm harness that plugs into the BMW connector, behind the glove box is available?
Would it be a dealer item or is there an aftermarket source for the connector?
My car is a 1998 z3 2.3


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Old 10-11-2011, 07:48 PM
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Hi, here is one from Ebay
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/ws/eBayISAPI....E:L:OC:CA:1123
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Old 10-11-2011, 08:05 PM
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Does anybody know if the Alarm harness that plugs into the BMW connector, behind the glove box is available?
Would it be a dealer item or is there an aftermarket source for the connector?

Hi, I don't know what model of BMW you are talking about, but if it is a Z4, maybe you should take a look at this tread post #25
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=130986
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Old 10-11-2011, 08:47 PM
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while i've pretty much given up on getting my GROM unit installed and working i've decided to install an alram because... the car needs an alarm.


should i go with the factory unit w/interior sensors or w/o the interior sensors? also are there alternatives that will cost less?

the dealer quoted me $700 and quoted me 3 hours labor? Is it possible to do it myself and buy a windscreen with the savings or, should i just bite the bullet and pay up.

Is the security of your BMW not worth $700? For me it was a no-brainer. Of course.
on the 5er it's standard, but I paid extra for the lo-jack. cheap insurance.

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Old 10-11-2011, 09:28 PM
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Is the security of your BMW not worth $700? For me it was a no-brainer. Of course.
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$700 will pay for several years of comprehensive insurance for my Z4 at today's rates.

Most alarms are usually ignored or just annoy the neighbors.

The "clown nose" blinking light gives the illusion you have an alarm (if deterrent is the objective) and is free.

BMW Assist is cheaper than LoJack and has additional features to being able to track the vehicle. Even then, I did not think that BMW Assist was worth it.
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:53 PM
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Is the security of your BMW not worth $700? For me it was a no-brainer. Of course.
on the 5er it's standard, but I paid extra for the lo-jack. cheap insurance.
  1. it's just a car.
  2. getting raped for $700 when the DEALER, who would do the install (1.5 hour) and charges $129 an hour, sold me the part for $50 makes zero sense.
  3. ... it's really a 1 hour job at best.
  4. if someone wants to steal or molest the car, the alarm is not going to stop them.

I don't get caught up in the fact that's it's a bmw... I like my jeep more and every time I drive my Z4, I think, "it's not a Porsche." lol.

It's a nice car, but not nice enough to let a dealer rape me for $500+ of pure profit. thinking and acting on, "oh it's just $700 for my baby BMW" will keep me out of a Porsche 911.

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while i've pretty much given up on getting my GROM unit installed and working i've decided to install an alram because... the car needs an alarm.


should i go with the factory unit w/interior sensors or w/o the interior sensors? also are there alternatives that will cost less?

the dealer quoted me $700 and quoted me 3 hours labor? Is it possible to do it myself and buy a windscreen with the savings or, should i just bite the bullet and pay up.

i will do it myself and code it myself...
link for coding goodies:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=480261
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i was able to install the hood switch but, I can't get be the RH rear bumper. i followed these instructions but i could not budge the bumper after taking out the screws... i practiced restraint for fear of breaking things. What tool do i need.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:23 PM
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  1. it's just a car.
  2. getting raped for $700 when the DEALER, who would do the install (1.5 hour) and charges $129 an hour, sold me the part for $50 makes zero sense.
  3. ... it's really a 1 hour job at best.
  4. if someone wants to steal or molest the car, the alarm is not going to stop them.

I don't get caught up in the fact that's it's a bmw... I like my jeep more and every time I drive my Z4, I think, "it's not a Porsche." lol.

It's a nice car, but not nice enough to let a dealer rape me for $500+ of pure profit. thinking and acting on, "oh it's just $700 for my baby BMW" will keep me out of a Porsche 911.

Entirely your call.
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Old 10-29-2011, 11:15 PM
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Hi, first I would like to excuse myself for bothering you with this question, quite a few posts about this alarm but didnít find what I was looking for.
I have install the alarm according to the pdf file, had a little trouble removing the bumper cover and a lot of trouble finding the wire in the center console but manage to finish the job.

Without having it program at the dealer it already response, when I lock the doors it would beep ounce and twice when unlocking.
I went to the dealer to get it program and at the same time to lower the sensivity of the auto lights even printed out the PDF file that Dave Z post in the FAQ section and gave it to the dealer, two hours drive and 1.7 hour for the programmation and they told me that auto lights sensivity wasnít programmable on a Z4 and the alarm was working.
When I arrive home I was anxious to give it a try and nothing is working.
I call them back and they told me that the result from the computer showed that the retrofit was ok and further more the mechanic that worked on the car looked at the rear view mirror and it was blinking, not surprising even without the alarm it was blinking, that shows you the qualification of this mechanic.

Let's say the report from the computer was right is it possible that at the end of the sequence he selected ACCEPT INSTEAD OF END and is there a way for me to find this, the more I can keep away from this dealer, the better off I will be.
If you doubt something else please let me know.
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:54 AM
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Mars...If you paid for the services, I would demand that it gets remedied. It did took my dealer several tries to get the alarm coded properly. First try was same as you...nothing worked (chirp disappeared and the alarm wouldn't sound when popping the hood). 2nd and 3rd tries, alarm appears to be functional, but the chirping was intermittent during armed/disarmed. 4th tried was the charm after they completely erased all the key memory functions and then recoded all the key memories back. A "simple" coding wasn't as simple as I had anticipated in my case.

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