Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 1 Series / 2 Series > E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)

E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
BMWs throw back to the iconic 2002, with a renewed form and function. The smallest car in BMW's line up but still packs a punch. Available in coupe or convertible, powered by either an inline 6 in the 128 or the twin turbo rocket sled 135.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-07-2011, 08:50 AM
AzNMpower32's Avatar
AzNMpower32 AzNMpower32 is online now
Tar Heel Faithful
Location: WNC
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 13,982
Send a message via AIM to AzNMpower32
Mein Auto: 2014 Mazda3 GT
Some F20 Pictures from the dealer

Because it seems as if I'm the only one in the US who somewhat likes the F20 1er, I strolled down to Atlantic BMW in Kapstadt (Cape Town). Here are some gratuitous pictures of the F20 that just arrived in SA dealerships two days ago (taken with my mobile phone).

At this point normally I'd talk about a test drive but I don't think they would appreciate a foreigner (especially an American ) test driving their brand new fleet of cars. But the upshot is this; the interior materials are more substantial in touch and feel than its predecessor and the trunk/boot space seems a bit more useable. Rear legroom is slightly improved but if the folks in the front are tall, those in the rear are going to be pressed for room. Headroom is quite good and the steering wheel feels nice and chunky. I thought the Sport trim would be overkill on the exterior looks but I like the interior on it better.

Prices for the SA market start at around R268.000 for the entry 116i petrol and go up to around R235.000 for the top-dog 120d diesel, plus options of course. Prices inclusive of 14% VAT. Fuel consumption figures are pretty good as are the CO≤ emissions.

By the way, as expected, the salesmen/advisors were much more knowledgeable about the cars than dealers in the US. We had a nice conversation, nothing pushy or the "get out" attitude. He even know about cars in the US market, like how we get xDrive models in the US but not in SA. How's that for proper advisor behaviour?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Foto0269.jpg
Views:	252
Size:	234.9 KB
ID:	296124   Click image for larger version

Name:	Foto0268.jpg
Views:	269
Size:	275.1 KB
ID:	296125   Click image for larger version

Name:	Foto0270.jpg
Views:	281
Size:	164.4 KB
ID:	296126   Click image for larger version

Name:	Foto0271.jpg
Views:	257
Size:	152.8 KB
ID:	296127   Click image for larger version

Name:	Foto0273.jpg
Views:	220
Size:	142.9 KB
ID:	296128  

Click image for larger version

Name:	Foto0274.jpg
Views:	222
Size:	122.7 KB
ID:	296129  
__________________
Current ō consumption: 2014 Mazda3 GT

Last edited by AzNMpower32; 10-07-2011 at 08:53 AM.
Reply With Quote
Ads by Google
  #2  
Old 10-07-2011, 09:14 AM
mgthompson's Avatar
mgthompson mgthompson is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: New England, USA
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 718
Mein Auto: M-Sport128i 328xiT 3.0CS
I saw it two weeks ago at the Frankfurt car show. It looks much better in person than it does in pictures.
__________________
'09 128i - Black Sapphire Metallic\Coral Red\Glacier Silver\N51 DISA\6MT\Navigation\Premium\M-Sport\Heated seats\Xenon Headlights\iPod\Smartphone
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-07-2011, 10:21 PM
SilverX3's Avatar
SilverX3 SilverX3 is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Australia
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,067
Mein Auto: 130i & E92 325i, E90 SOLD
It s here I sat in and still ugly
__________________
Residence - StarTrek Enterprise
Job - Captain
Current Starship Fleet:
06 130i - ROCK SOLID Performer
MY11.5 X1 Xdrive25i
2013 VW Golf R - Rising Metallic Blue
07 320i - SOLD
08 E92 325i - Blue SOLD
Bicycles: Giant TCR Advanced Zero SOLD, Argon 18 Krypton, Argon 18E114, Trek Madone COMING
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-10-2011, 06:09 AM
Andrew*Debbie's Avatar
Andrew*Debbie Andrew*Debbie is offline
resU deretsigeR
Location: Anglesey
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 6,252
Mein Auto: Leaf Tekna
I'm considering an F20 as a potential replacement when our MINI comes off lease in February.

The UK petrol F20s are powered by MINI engines! Yup. The same 1.6L unit in set up for longitudinal mounting tuned for 136HP or 170HP. I'm not sure how I feel about this. The MINI motor is a good engine but it doesn't feel like a BMW engine to me. On the other hand, petrol F20s have lower fuel consumption then the car they replace. I'll reserve judgement until I can drive an F20. I missed my chance at a BMW UK sponsored drive event. Didn't find out about it in time.



F20 UK list price is lower then the e87 too. The e81s and e87s have had significant factory incentives. Maybe the lower list price is not really a lower price.

Last edited by Andrew*Debbie; 10-10-2011 at 06:12 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-11-2011, 08:22 AM
greengoose greengoose is offline
Registered User
Location: Toronto
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 52
Mein Auto: 2012 135i
Will there be a coupe version of the next generation 1 Series? Everywhere I look I see this 5 door hatchback, but have not seen any pics of any coupes or cabs
__________________
Current: 2012 135i Mineral Grey Metallic/Coral Red/M Sport/7 Speed DCT/PremiumPkg/Premium Sound

Retired: 2012 128i, 1998 318is

Future: F32
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-11-2011, 08:59 AM
Andrew*Debbie's Avatar
Andrew*Debbie Andrew*Debbie is offline
resU deretsigeR
Location: Anglesey
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 6,252
Mein Auto: Leaf Tekna
Quote:
Originally Posted by greengoose View Post
Will there be a coupe version of the next generation 1 Series? Everywhere I look I see this 5 door hatchback, but have not seen any pics of any coupes or cabs
Just the 5 door at the moment with a 3 door hatch due within a year. The coupe and cabrio will stay on the current platform for now. This is typical for BMW.


UK market has moderate incentives on the 3-door hatch and smaller incentives for the coupe.

Last edited by Andrew*Debbie; 10-11-2011 at 09:03 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-11-2011, 11:25 AM
amancuso's Avatar
amancuso amancuso is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: New Jersey
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,415
Send a message via AIM to amancuso
Mein Auto: 128i, 330i, Z3 2.3, R56
Loving this new hatch, shame BMW NA will not bring it to the USA.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-11-2011, 12:24 PM
jman103099's Avatar
jman103099 jman103099 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Central IL
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 301
Mein Auto: 2011 X3, 2011 328i
Quote:
Originally Posted by amancuso View Post
Loving this new hatch, shame BMW NA will not bring it to the USA.
Wait... I thought they were?
__________________
2011 X3 28i (1/12 - present)
2011 328i (5/11 - present)
2009 MINI Cooper (4/09 - 5/11)
2006 X3 (03/07 - 1/12)
1995 325i (05/06 - 3/09)
1985 325e (08/00 - 12/04)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-11-2011, 09:44 PM
SilverX3's Avatar
SilverX3 SilverX3 is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Australia
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,067
Mein Auto: 130i & E92 325i, E90 SOLD
the two door sedan / coupe will be a 2 series apparently

launch here next weekend and I have been invited
__________________
Residence - StarTrek Enterprise
Job - Captain
Current Starship Fleet:
06 130i - ROCK SOLID Performer
MY11.5 X1 Xdrive25i
2013 VW Golf R - Rising Metallic Blue
07 320i - SOLD
08 E92 325i - Blue SOLD
Bicycles: Giant TCR Advanced Zero SOLD, Argon 18 Krypton, Argon 18E114, Trek Madone COMING
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-12-2011, 09:21 AM
Andrew*Debbie's Avatar
Andrew*Debbie Andrew*Debbie is offline
resU deretsigeR
Location: Anglesey
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 6,252
Mein Auto: Leaf Tekna
Quote:
Originally Posted by jman103099 View Post
Wait... I thought they were?
Do you have a source? I haven't heard anything one way or the other.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-12-2011, 10:03 AM
AzNMpower32's Avatar
AzNMpower32 AzNMpower32 is online now
Tar Heel Faithful
Location: WNC
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 13,982
Send a message via AIM to AzNMpower32
Mein Auto: 2014 Mazda3 GT
I don't think the F20 is headed to North America. BMW doesn't really see a market.........
__________________
Current ō consumption: 2014 Mazda3 GT
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-12-2011, 04:28 PM
devla devla is offline
Registered User
Location: new york
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 37
Mein Auto: 2011 X3 M Sport
For what its worth, Sep issue of Roundel says it is.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-12-2011, 06:24 PM
CJ Type S CJ Type S is offline
The Ballistic Red Raider
Location: Huntsville, AL
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 15
Mein Auto: 2012 135i
I saw the F20 at the Welt a few weeks ago and I don't really think it looks that much better in person. Just no real design direction on the front end and the back is almost a replica of the VW Polo. I do think the interior is nice and the materials are better than the current 1 Series.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-18-2011, 11:17 AM
Superschnell Superschnell is offline
Registered User
Location: Oslo Norway
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 47
Mein Auto: 640i F12, Cooper S, Smart
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew*Debbie View Post
I'm considering an F20 as a potential replacement when our MINI comes off lease in February.

The UK petrol F20s are powered by MINI engines! Yup. The same 1.6L unit in set up for longitudinal mounting tuned for 136HP or 170HP. I'm not sure how I feel about this. The MINI motor is a good engine but it doesn't feel like a BMW engine to me. On the other hand, petrol F20s have lower fuel consumption then the car they replace. I'll reserve judgement until I can drive an F20.
The petrol engines in the F20 are new constructions and equipped with a twin scroll turbo.

The old Mini engines were Chrysler products, also used in the Neon. I believe they switched engine in 2007 with the new model generation.
I have a 2005 Cooper S myself, and this old construction doesn't make half as fun as the new BMW-developed ones.

I tried the 118i during the introduction at dealer in September and loved it!
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-18-2011, 05:25 PM
jman103099's Avatar
jman103099 jman103099 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Central IL
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 301
Mein Auto: 2011 X3, 2011 328i
Quote:
Originally Posted by devla View Post
For what its worth, Sep issue of Roundel says it is.
That would be my source.
__________________
2011 X3 28i (1/12 - present)
2011 328i (5/11 - present)
2009 MINI Cooper (4/09 - 5/11)
2006 X3 (03/07 - 1/12)
1995 325i (05/06 - 3/09)
1985 325e (08/00 - 12/04)
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-18-2011, 08:27 PM
jsc's Avatar
jsc jsc is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Calgary
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,441
Mein Auto: E85 M-Roadster, E82 135i
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superschnell View Post
The petrol engines in the F20 are new constructions and equipped with a twin scroll turbo.

The old Mini engines were Chrysler products, also used in the Neon. I believe they switched engine in 2007 with the new model generation.
I have a 2005 Cooper S myself, and this old construction doesn't make half as fun as the new BMW-developed ones.

I tried the 118i during the introduction at dealer in September and loved it!
The 2007+ Mini engines were a joint development with PSA Peugeot CitroŽn.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-18-2011, 11:03 PM
Andrew*Debbie's Avatar
Andrew*Debbie Andrew*Debbie is offline
resU deretsigeR
Location: Anglesey
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 6,252
Mein Auto: Leaf Tekna
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsc View Post
The 2007+ Mini engines were a joint development with PSA Peugeot CitroŽn.
Yes. All current MINI petrol engines are based on the BMW/PSA CitroŽn joint development and are built at Hams Hall in England.

The BMW N13 motor in the F20 uses the same engine block. The N13 is built at Hams Hall. The N13 bottom end is more or less the same as what is in the current MINI Cooper S, but reconfigured for RWD. The top end is updated with the new turbo charger.

The N13 will be in some future MINIs. I'm guessing it will go into the next MINI xxxx S and JCW. 170HP is about right for the S and the JCW will have to be a little higher output. It is also possible the JCW could get a BMW 2.0L I4 motor but that is an uninformed guess.

The 3 cylinder N37 will be going into the upcoming F56 MINI but not into any BMWs. I'm guessing the One and Cooper.


I had thought (guessed wrong?) the N13 was also going to be the range extender motor for the i3 and i8. Latest rumours is the range extender motors will be based on BMW motorcycle engines. link --> http://www.carsuk.net/bmw-i3-ev-to-g...ange-extender/



From the time you hit the start button, MINI engines have a distinctive sound and feel that is not BMW. I'll wait until a test drive to see if BMW somehow changed the N13 to be more BMW like.

Last edited by Andrew*Debbie; 10-19-2011 at 08:26 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-19-2011, 05:54 AM
AzNMpower32's Avatar
AzNMpower32 AzNMpower32 is online now
Tar Heel Faithful
Location: WNC
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 13,982
Send a message via AIM to AzNMpower32
Mein Auto: 2014 Mazda3 GT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew*Debbie View Post
Yes. All current MINI petrol engines are based on the BMW/PSA CitroŽn joint development and are built at Hams Hall in England.

The BMW N13 motor in the F20 uses the same engine block. The N13 is built at Hams Hall. The N13 bottom end is more or less the same as what is in the current MINI Cooper S, but reconfigured for RWD. The top end is updated with the new turbo charger. BMW is building the N13 in

The N13 will be in some future MINIs. I'm guessing it will go into the next MINI xxxx S and JCW. 170HP is about right for the S and the JCW will have to be a little higher output. It is also possible the JCW could get a BMW 2.0L I4 motor but that is an uninformed guess.

The 3 cylinder N37 will be going into the upcoming F56 MINI but not into any BMWs. I'm guessing the One and Cooper.


I had thought (guessed wrong?) the N13 was also going to be the range extender motor for the i3 and i8. Latest rumours is the range extender motors will be based on BMW motorcycle engines. link --> http://www.carsuk.net/bmw-i3-ev-to-g...ange-extender/



From the time you hit the start button, MINI engines have a distinctive sound and feel that is not BMW. I'll wait until a test drive to see if BMW somehow changed the N13 to be more BMW like.
I agree. I've driven both the 118i (E87) and the Mini, and the engine in the 1er was definitely smoother and more refined than that in the Mini. Not that the 4-cyl in the Mini is bad or anything, but it ain't a 1er.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 1 Series / 2 Series > E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:27 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2011 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms