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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 11-08-2011, 03:56 PM
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I would caution you if you plan to buy the 35d at lease end and keep it for the long haul.

Not many indy shops can work on the new diesels. You will likely have to rely on the dealers, which will cost more.

As far as Cayenne, we really like the new style, too bad there is hardly any available at the dealers.
Fair enough, but I doubt that will be the case in 4 years time when the warranty is up. I'm sure more indy's will work on them.
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:07 PM
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I would caution you if you plan to buy the 35d at lease end and keep it for the long haul.
Because a twin turbo V8 in the 50i is so much more mechanic friendly right?

The M57 has been around for almost a decade and is certainly more bulletproof than the V8TT
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:18 PM
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Because a twin turbo V8 in the 50i is so much more mechanic friendly right?

The M57 has been around for almost a decade and is certainly more bulletproof than the V8TT
I didn't say the V8 TT was a good candidate.

When did the M57 come to the U.S. to allow your local indy shops to have some hands ons? It is not just how bullet proof the engine is, but the emission system and others, very different than what most shops are familiar with.
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:23 PM
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Fair enough, but I doubt that will be the case in 4 years time when the warranty is up. I'm sure more indy's will work on them.
I hope so. I wouldn't mind getting a X5 35d at all, but would lease it.
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Old 11-10-2011, 04:59 PM
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I went from a '08 Cayenne S to a '11 X5 50i. I like the X5 but I have Porsche blood. I regret selling the Porsche. Get a Cayenne S. you will not regret it.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:46 PM
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I went from a '08 Cayenne S to a '11 X5 50i. I like the X5 but I have Porsche blood. I regret selling the Porsche. Get a Cayenne S. you will not regret it.
Have you driven the new one yet? Big improvements in several areas.

I spent an hour yesterday tooling around in my buddies '11 S. Took it out on the highway and checked out the straight line acceleration and stopping power. Awesome. Great linear power delivery, immediate response, strong brakes. Handling is excellent as you would expect. The steering isn't as heavy as the X5's, but it is at least equally responsive if not more so. The balance is outstanding for a vehicle this size. Significantly less body roll than the BMW.

The ride comfort in town over some less than ideal roads was good, and he doesn't have PASM. The interior is wonderful. Seats are supportive and luxurious. As I've mentioned previously, I prefer the design of the Cayenne over the X5. To be quite honest, there isn't an aspect of my X5 that I think I would prefer over the Cayenne.

Which leads to the question that I'm sure Matt will ask?

Why choose the X5 over the Cayenne?

Aside from the subjective looks preferences, the only other debate becomes price. Is the Cayenne worth the $15-20K premium over the X5? Hmmm....it wasn't when we were shopping, but that may change when the diesel Cayenne shows up. I'm having the same struggle with looking for a mid/full-size sedan. The Panamera drives unlike any of it's immediate competition. But is it worth $25K more than a 550xi? Or is it worth S class money? Not sure.
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Old 11-10-2011, 07:16 PM
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Have you driven the new one yet? Big improvements in several areas.

I spent an hour yesterday tooling around in my buddies '11 S. Took it out on the highway and checked out the straight line acceleration and stopping power. Awesome. Great linear power delivery, immediate response, strong brakes. Handling is excellent as you would expect. The steering isn't as heavy as the X5's, but it is at least equally responsive if not more so. The balance is outstanding for a vehicle this size. Significantly less body roll than the BMW.

The ride comfort in town over some less than ideal roads was good, and he doesn't have PASM. The interior is wonderful. Seats are supportive and luxurious. As I've mentioned previously, I prefer the design of the Cayenne over the X5. To be quite honest, there isn't an aspect of my X5 that I think I would prefer over the Cayenne.

Which leads to the question that I'm sure Matt will ask?

Why choose the X5 over the Cayenne?

Aside from the subjective looks preferences, the only other debate becomes price. Is the Cayenne worth the $15-20K premium over the X5? Hmmm....it wasn't when we were shopping, but that may change when the diesel Cayenne shows up. I'm having the same struggle with looking for a mid/full-size sedan. The Panamera drives unlike any of it's immediate competition. But is it worth $25K more than a 550xi? Or is it worth S class money? Not sure.
IMHO the Cayenne is nicer (better) than the X5, no doubt. However, my budget was $60,000 and I just couldn't justify more for the Cayenne (you really need the Cayenne S). I just won't spend $800/month on an SUV... I'll be the first to admit it.

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Old 11-10-2011, 11:36 PM
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IMHO the Cayenne is nicer (better) than the X5, no doubt. However, my budget was $60,000 and I just couldn't justify more for the Cayenne (you really need the Cayenne S). I just won't spend $800/month on an SUV... I'll be the first to admit it.
X5 will cost upwards of $750/month anyways. Cayenne will be even more.
For now, Cayennes are very hard to even test drive due to almost nil availability. Also, preliminary analysis indicates it would cost 30-40% more than X5 and payments for S would be close to $1200/month. I am finding X5 to be a great combinaiton of luxury, performance and value - so leaning towards that.
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Is the Cayenne worth the $15-20K premium over the X5? Hmmm....it wasn't when we were shopping, but that may change when the diesel Cayenne shows up. I'm having the same struggle with looking for a mid/full-size sedan. The Panamera drives unlike any of it's immediate competition. But is it worth $25K more than a 550xi? Or is it worth S class money? Not sure.
Exactly. The Cayenne is a fantastic vehicle. The X5 is still fantastic, albeit somewhat less so in certain areas. Then again, the price difference could pay for one of my daughters' college education.

If you offered me either one free, I think I would choose a Cayenne. In my world, I probably have to settle for a 2 year-old CPO X5, just like I bought a 2-year old CPO 545 a few years ago.

But life is good.
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BMW's free maintenance also needs to be factored in... that's a nice little bonus.

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Old 11-11-2011, 08:18 AM
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BMW's free maintenance also needs to be factored in... that's a nice little bonus.

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Actually Mike, that's a great point. I never thought too much about this until I bought an Infiniti. Paying $75 (average) every 3 months is a pain. That's an extra $25 on a car note, which isn't insignificant.
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Look where I put my money... I drive everything that is on the market for a living. I looked for the best vehicle for the price and then ordered a '12 X5 35d.

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Look where I put my money... I drive everything that is on the market for a living. I looked for the best vehicle for the price and then ordered a '12 X5 35d.

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Another great point... On a side note, have you driven a Fiat 500 yet? I'd be curious to get your thoughts... My fiancee wants one
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Newflash... BMW have just improved the Owner Loyalty program for certain customers:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=580818
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Another great point... On a side note, have you driven a Fiat 500 yet? I'd be curious to get your thoughts... My fiancee wants one
I rarely drive cars in that segment... not really my niche. Some of my peers like it, while others hate it. Have her test drive one (they are inexpensive enough that you can take a gamble on it).

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Let's not get carried away here guys. There is nothing "free" about BMW maintenance. Call it what it really is...included maintenance. The price difference between our more expensive X5 and the ML gets pretty close when you factor back in what you pay for MB service that is included at BMW.

That being said, I love the convenience of just having to sign my invoices and driving away instead of dealing with payments.
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Let's not get carried away here guys. There is nothing "free" about BMW maintenance. Call it what it really is...included maintenance. The price difference between our more expensive X5 and the ML gets pretty close when you factor back in what you pay for MB service that is included at BMW.
Agreed, though his point was that Porsche doesn't include maintenance on heir more expensive Cayenne either.
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:57 PM
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So Suraj, did you pull the trigger? Tell is what you finally ordered, color, options, price, etc.


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X5 will cost upwards of $750/month anyways. Cayenne will be even more.
For now, Cayennes are very hard to even test drive due to almost nil availability. Also, preliminary analysis indicates it would cost 30-40% more than X5 and payments for S would be close to $1200/month. I am finding X5 to be a great combinaiton of luxury, performance and value - so leaning towards that.
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In negotiation with a dealer (forum sponsor) right now. Once we settle, I will finish the paperwork and move on to next steps. Also, I have retired the 07 530i. For various reasons including vacation, planning to get the car delivered around late Jan/mid Feb.

Here's what I am ordering

2012 X5 5.0i, 3 yr/12 K miles
Sapphire black/Oyster/Dark Bamboo
Premium package
Sport activity package
20" wheels

Thanks to the forum and Matt (!!) for all the great advice and support I owe you guys a lot and will keep you posted.
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In negotiation with a dealer (forum sponsor) right now. Once we settle, I will finish the paperwork and move on to next steps. Also, I have retired the 07 530i. For various reasons including vacation, planning to get the car delivered around late Jan/mid Feb.

Here's what I am ordering

2012 X5 5.0i, 3 yr/12 K miles
Sapphire black/Oyster/Dark Bamboo
Premium package
Sport activity package
20" wheels

Thanks to the forum and Matt (!!) for all the great advice and support I owe you guys a lot and will keep you posted.
Nice... Congrats... Don't forget that Space Saver Spare too! Critical equipment on the X5, and it's only $150. It also gives you more flexibility when replacing the tires.

Did you go through Dencoop in the end, or another sponsor?

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I am going through dencoop and another sponsor. I had got in touch with both of them couple of weeks ago on the same day and they are both working sincerely on the deal. I have also made it transparent to them that I am in touch with another one.
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I am going through dencoop and another sponsor. I had got in touch with both of them couple of weeks ago on the same day and they are both working sincerely on the deal. I have also made it transparent to them that I am in touch with another one.
Sounds good... I'm sure you'll probably end up with the same offer from both, and it will simply come down to which one you feel most comfortable with.

BTW, I noticed you omitted the Space Saver Spare and Multi-contour Seats from your spec above. Was that a typo or are you really leaving out those options? I highly recommend the Space Saver Spare. There are many many threads on why this is a critical addition. For one, as soon as you drive on a RFT, it is ruined. If you get out and change to the spare immediately, the RFT can often be salvaged (saving you hundreds of dollars). Alternatively, you can switch to non-RFT tires and save money that way.
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Alternatively, you can switch to non-RFT tires and save money that way.
Friendly amendment: you can approach the tire market without requiring a run-flat tire, which opens up a world of extremely high quality, high performance tires that are dramatically less expensive than run-flats and provide a more enjoyable ride along the way.

But if you do that, keep your RFTs. I think BMW requires that the car have them at the end of lease.
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Friendly amendment: you can approach the tire market without requiring a run-flat tire, which opens up a world of extremely high quality, high performance tires that are dramatically less expensive than run-flats and provide a more enjoyable ride along the way.

But if you do that, keep your RFTs. I think BMW requires that the car have them at the end of lease.
Agreed...
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I am getting the space saver tire and passing on multi-contour seat. I understand it does not cost much and is very comfortable, but I don't feel strongly enough to go for it. It was a tough call.. Thanks for the recommendation

The dealer is replacing RFTs with OEM approved regular tires. He tells that BMW will not have an issue in taking the vehicle back with these tires since they are OEM approved. He says he has done it for many customers and knows what he is talking about - also happens to be forum sponsor.
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