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Old 05-03-2011, 10:30 PM
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The 2.0-liter naturally-aspirated engine is the result of a joint development between Subaru and Toyota, bringing together their technical know-how and passion for sports cars. Subaru brings its newly developed horizontally opposed boxer engine while Toyota adds its D-4S technology (direct injection combined with port injection). This results in increased horsepower and torque without sacrificing fuel consumption and environmental performance.

The flat-four engine will be mated to either a six-speed manual or a six-speed automatic transmission. The manual will offer quick and precise shifts with a short-throw, while the automatic transmission will feature sporty shifts controlled by steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifts. Power will be distributed effectively to the rear wheels through a limited-slip differential.

Based on an entirely new front-engined and rear-wheel drive platform the production model will offer the driver confident stability and manoeuvrability, while still being quick and nimble into and out of any corner.

The FR-S final production model will be realized around the idea of unique balance thanks to its compact dimensions, light weight design and low centre of gravity ensuring the best possible power-to-weight ratio and resulting in an intrinsic joy of driving.

Length: 168.2 in

Width: 71.5 in

Height: 47.4 in

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Old 11-26-2011, 11:02 PM
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:13 PM
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What's the base price of this going to be?
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What's the base price of this going to be?
I think I saw $28,000 estimate in Car and Driver. If that's the case, count me out. I like the design, but I can could get a Mustang V-6 for a lot less money and be ahead in almost every performance benchmark. Given that the ricer fanboys will eat up the supply for sometime making getting one for MSRP difficult, I'd just as soon have a 128i for similar money.
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Anything over 20k for this car puts it against some really stout competition. Now if this were 22-23k with a 250 hp turbo motor it'd be a steal. But an inline 4 NA with no mod potential? Naw, even the Genesis coupe for 2013 has 270+ HP:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/14/2...hp-turbo-four/

Maybe the Subaru version will have a proper turbo...
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Old 11-27-2011, 06:14 PM
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Is the Genisis RWD? Not everyone wants to have or deal with Turbo.
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Old 11-27-2011, 07:55 PM
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Is the Genisis RWD? Not everyone wants to have or deal with Turbo.
Yes the Genesis is RWD. Odd question.

And while not everyone may not want to deal with a turbo... a sub 200 HP 2.0 is just kinda archaic and not very moddable.
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Old 11-27-2011, 08:10 PM
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I wasn't sure on the Genisis. My phone capacity is very limited. My browser crashed twice clicking on this page. That's why I was asking. If I had a better phone I would have been able to search the answer myself. Anyways, this car seems better than a Civic SI which is what I'd think would be one of its competiors

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Old 11-28-2011, 12:02 AM
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I wasn't sure on the Genisis. My phone capacity is very limited. My browser crashed twice clicking on this page. That's why I was asking. If I had a better phone I would have been able to search the answer myself. Anyways, this car seems better than a Civic SI which is what I'd think would be one of its competiors
Depends on price. Betting they will put it over 23k. Mustang V6, Mazdaspeed3, GTI, WRX, Genesis Coupe are all in that price bracket.
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Old 11-28-2011, 02:13 PM
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No word on pricing or weight, but tinker-ability and fewer computers sound good to me.

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Old 11-29-2011, 11:44 AM
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Anything over 20k for this car puts it against some really stout competition. Now if this were 22-23k with a 250 hp turbo motor it'd be a steal. But an inline 4 NA with no mod potential? Naw, even the Genesis coupe for 2013 has 270+ HP:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/14/2...hp-turbo-four/

Maybe the Subaru version will have a proper turbo...
Totally missing the point of this car. Its only competition would be a Miata coupe or Lotus Elise, both of which are more expensive.

Heavy 3400 lb GT coupes are not in the same league with a 2700 lb rear drive sports car.

Having said that I'd rather have a Mustang GT. I must be getting old.
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Power: 200 hp

Length: 166.7 in

Width: 70.9 in

Height: 50.4 in

Weight: 2770 lb

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The BRZ engine output is 200 bhp at 7000 rpm and 151 lb.-ft. of torque between 6400–6600 rpm, though with strong torque numbers lower down the rev range. Inside the direct-injected engine are square 86-mm dimensions for bore and stroke, chain-driven camshafts and a compression ratio set at 12.5:1. The exhaust system has been designed to amplify the good noises when needed, but quiet down for cruising.

As part of the engine design, some of its external pieces were created so the powerplant could be located well rearward and low, part of that low center of gravity exercise. The transmissions were also reworked to minimize size and maximize placement.

Power spins to a Torsen limited-slip differential, backed with a double wishbone suspension that has some Impreza roots. At the front are MacPherson struts, while the steering has electric assist, a ratio of 13.0:1 and a tilt and telescope wheel. The disc brakes are inside 17-in. wheels with 215/45R-17 tires.

Subaru proudly points out the BRZ’s center of gravity is lower than a Ferrari 458 Italia’s, and its polar moment of inertia is lower than that of a Porsche Cayman S, achieved with the help of short body overhangs front and rear, and a radiator tilted rearward to minimize height. That 2770-lb. weight target was also a concern, leading to an aluminum hood and high-strength steel in the roof.

We can expect to see BRZs in the U.S. around May with prices starting roughly in the neighborhood of $25,000, including a nav system with a 6.1-in. display.

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Power: 200 hp

Length: 166.7 in

Width: 70.9 in

Height: 50.4 in

Weight: 2770 lb


All these videos, links and pictures are great and all, but they still aren't telling me the prices of it...
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:23 PM
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All these videos, links and pictures are great and all, but they still aren't telling me the prices of it...
I read $25k for the BRZ with nav.
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wow they really "toyota'd" the looks of it....concept looked 100x better
I would rather drive a Genesis coupe for that price personally, heck even a base WRX is not much more expensive
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MSRP: $25K (est)
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:44 AM
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I'd get the Subaru BRZ version - Scion just adds too much of a "boy racer" look which I do not like. This is Subaru's baby; Toyota had little to do with actual development.

I'll definately take one for a test drive; light, sharp handling, RWD, nothing ridiculously complicated. What's not to like?? I had a Mazda3 very breifly; along with VW's I absolutely despise FWD. If the Mazda was RWD it would have been 1000X better.

Kinda reminds me of my old 240Z, only modern.
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:52 AM
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yeah, I'm pretty interested in one of these.

Is it down on power, sure, but if that is your primary concern this car isn't for you.

If it really comes in at 2700lbs, it should have a pretty good power to weight ratio, 13.5 bhp or so.

Its really supposedly more of a handler, like a Miata or Lotus as noted by the other poster above.

Personally, I kind of like the idea of this, because you can wind the 4 out, while still keeping sane, legal speeds.

Winding out a 270hp in a Genesis gets you going too fast, at least according to the coppers.

Always liked the Miata but don't like vert aspect of it....

If you can actually buy one of these for $23k....

Its nice to see Toyota moving things in the right direction...

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Old 01-03-2012, 12:25 AM
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Not digging the exhaust note - sounds weak but don't expect much from this motor. Heck, as long as it does not sound like those "tuned" WRXs, it will be ok. Those things sound like the old lawnmower I used as a kid to cut our grass. So weak.
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:38 AM
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that and no serious sporty or performance car that is meant to handle would be rolling around on 215 width tires, even 200hp will easily overpower those, and Im still thinking that at 25K starting there are some better options available, but is IS nice to see something fresh coming out!
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MSRP: $25K (est)
They flew me over to Tokyo (for one night) to drive it. I came home exhausted, but very impressed. There is a good chance that it will be my son's first car in a few years.

Light and nimble, with plenty of horsepower for its price and segment. Most importantly, it is fun to drive (it makes the Genesis Coupe feel big and heavy).

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