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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 11-27-2011, 08:11 AM
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I ususally drive manual shifters and used the Tiptronic in my wife's 2000 323i BMW until the tranny died at 51k. We replaced it (the tranny, not the car we are still driving) but I was always a little reluctant to tip through the gear changes after that experience...probably superstitious.
My one experience with paddle shifters was a drive in a Maserati. It was nice to make shifts ( and important to me- hold a gear) without taking my hands off the wheel, but really felt my BMW Tiptronic shifted more crisply.
I have high hopes for the new 8 speed sport tranny with the paddle shifters
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Old 11-27-2011, 08:44 AM
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I ususally drive manual shifters and used the Tiptronic in my wife's 2000 323i BMW until the tranny died at 51k. We replaced it (the tranny, not the car we are still driving) but I was always a little reluctant to tip through the gear changes after that experience...probably superstitious.
My one experience with paddle shifters was a drive in a Maserati. It was nice to make shifts ( and important to me- hold a gear) without taking my hands off the wheel, but really felt my BMW Tiptronic shifted more crisply.
I have high hopes for the new 8 speed sport tranny with the paddle shifters
I think I'm correct in saying that it's essentially the same ZF 8 speed auto used by Audi in which case I can say "yes, it's awfully damn good". Die hard 3 pedal kinda guy myself but if you want an auto, this one shifts quickly, smoothly, the paddles work reasonably well (don't expect dual clutch kind of response times though) and it never seems lost. Left to it's own shifting in D then it goes immediately for the highest gear possible in the name of economy. Leave it in Sport then it moves to a much more satisfying shift mapping. It can pull off extreme stuff like 8-2 downshifts if called for.
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Old 11-27-2011, 08:52 AM
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I was 100% getting the manual, now im like 80-20 lol
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Old 11-27-2011, 09:56 AM
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I was 100% getting the manual, now im like 80-20 lol
Me too. I love the 6 MT in my car. Even in traffic. But the ZF 8-speed is just better in everything but the fun-to-drive category. Especially fuel economy. It's an amazing development and looks likely to kill the MT.
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:17 AM
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Me too. I love the 6 MT in my car. Even in traffic. But the ZF 8-speed is just better in everything but the fun-to-drive category. Especially fuel economy. It's an amazing development and looks likely to kill the MT.
Is there a car(bmw) that has this ZF sport 8speed transmission. Still think i am going to try the 6speed, the auto does sound nice.
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:21 PM
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Is there a car(bmw) that has this ZF sport 8speed transmission. Still think i am going to try the 6speed, the auto does sound nice.
It's becoming standard across all models. Currently the F-series 3, 5, X5 and X3 have it; not sure about the 1, 7, X1, Z4.

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Old 11-27-2011, 01:11 PM
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Is there a car(bmw) that has this ZF sport 8speed transmission. Still think i am going to try the 6speed, the auto does sound nice.
The eight speed is AMAZING!! It is always in the right gear. It has the ability to skip gears. If it is in seventh and suddenly needs to be in fourth, it can go straight there.
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I ususally drive manual shifters and used the Tiptronic in my wife's 2000 323i BMW until the tranny died at 51k. We replaced it (the tranny, not the car we are still driving) but I was always a little reluctant to tip through the gear changes after that experience...probably superstitious.
My one experience with paddle shifters was a drive in a Maserati. It was nice to make shifts ( and important to me- hold a gear) without taking my hands off the wheel, but really felt my BMW Tiptronic shifted more crisply.
I have high hopes for the new 8 speed sport tranny with the paddle shifters
FYI, I've seen you refer to Tiptronic in several posts relating to BMW. Steptronic is the unique name that BMW uses, Porsche uses the name Tiptronic and licenses it for use by Audi/VW/Land Rover/Seat/Skoda.

"Many people (erroneously) use the term 'tiptronic' to refer generically to any type of torque converter automatic transmission that incorporates a manual upshift/downshift feature.":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manumatic
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Old 11-27-2011, 06:48 PM
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I resemble that remark!
steptronic it is from now on..
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:07 AM
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Drove a 2012 528xi. The N20 had adequate power but was uninspiring.
That may not be any different than an I6 528, which IIRC also had adequate but uninspiring power. Figure that in the F10 at least, the N20 isn't supposed to be the enthusiast's choice.

But 5.7 seconds to 60 MPH in the F30...that's right in the neighborhood of an E36 M3 on the F30 base engine.

It's kind of like Tim Tebow...whether or not you like the way BMW is getting there, they are getting there.

I would probably never buy a car with the base engine in it - I'm just a guy who would go around second guessing the decision. I still think the N20 is a very impressive piece of engineering.

I'm seriously looking forward to the M3.
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:47 AM
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That may not be any different than an I6 528, which IIRC also had adequate but uninspiring power. Figure that in the F10 at least, the N20 isn't supposed to be the enthusiast's choice.

But 5.7 seconds to 60 MPH in the F30...that's right in the neighborhood of an E36 M3 on the F30 base engine.

It's kind of like Tim Tebow...whether or not you like the way BMW is getting there, they are getting there.

I would probably never buy a car with the base engine in it - I'm just a guy who would go around second guessing the decision. I still think the N20 is a very impressive piece of engineering.

I'm seriously looking forward to the M3.
But a BMW is not about getting there, rather how you get there.

In general I agree a base engine of any one brand is not the best if it, but the BMW 3 has always been the exception.
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Old 12-06-2011, 03:30 PM
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Drove a 2012 528xi. The N20 had adequate power but was uninspiring. Noticeable vibration revving up to 5000, much like a Lexus. Even the steering feel was similar to a Lexus.

But there is absolutely no reason to rev the N20.

I think it will be a good seller, people who are used to the Lexus comfort will have less reasons to not like the new 528.
I'm driving a 2012 528xi as a loaner right now too! And you described it perfectly, the N20 is completley uninspiring! Its a nice engine but I still feel rumbling during high revs and sometimes standstill. They even have an auto start stop feature for this. The engine also seems real weak past 5rpm. Don't even get me started on the sound. I'd like to give it another chance in the F30 but so far the N20 doesn't feel special at all. It feels too soft
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The N20 is going to be epic. Great fuel economy and nice power. Plus fo a few hundred, you can have more power than a 335
Kind of reminds me of an A4. I mean it's the same recipe they are using in Golfs, Jettas and Beetles. I wouldn't be caught dead in a 2.0T unless I was 22, bottom of the ladder.

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Kind of reminds me of an A4. I mean it's the same recipe they are using in Golfs, Jettas and Beetles. I wouldn't be caught dead in a 2.0T unless I was 22, bottom of the ladder.
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Old 12-06-2011, 06:39 PM
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This isn't Europe where 4 cylinder motors in executive cars like the 5 series, E-class, and A6 are common along with cloth interiors. BMW used to make the M50's and M52's in 2.0l versions, why BMW didn't just bother to make a 2.0l version of the N55 and put it in the 5 and 3 and have a turbo 4cyl in the 1 and for European market 3 and 5 series. Eventually Lexus will just pick up the game dropped by BMW delivering silky smooth 6 cylinders to the buyers that want an executive car with a smooth refined motor.
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I'm not opposed to a 2.0T engine. I am opposed to paying $50K for a car with one - I'll have to drive it after they are plentiful and see how it feels compared to the E90 335i. Optioned up and with Euro delivery I think the 335i may still be the best bet.
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Old 12-09-2011, 06:14 AM
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I'm not opposed to a 2.0T engine. I am opposed to paying $50K for a car with one - I'll have to drive it after they are plentiful and see how it feels compared to the E90 335i. Optioned up and with Euro delivery I think the 335i may still be the best bet.
Who would buy a $50K 328i F30? That makes no sense. They start at $35K and pretty well optioned can be had for $40K.
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Old 12-10-2011, 07:57 AM
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Who would buy a $50K 328i F30? That makes no sense. They start at $35K and pretty well optioned can be had for $40K.
I think the 328 may now be a Ladies car.
You boys should go fro the more manly 335 or M3
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