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Old 12-31-2011, 08:02 PM
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That's absurd. You obviously don't get that the everyday big difference is in the 5-60mph, not 0-60mph achieved by over-abusing the powertrain. Not mentioning the weak and unpleasant engine note of the N20 no where as endearing as the N52/N54/N55. You should know better with a Porsche 6 cyl.
figures you have something bad to say about the n20

N20>N52
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figures you have something bad to say about the n20

N20>N52
Nope. The N20 is just another Euro fashion to please enviro-freaks. The NA I6 was just fine, specially the N53 direct injection version.
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Great point. not to mention the reduced weight, 328 will prob handle slightly better.
But, I'm sure the next generation 335i, assuming there is one, will re-establish the significant 0-60 mph differential between it and the F30. If it doesn't, who needs the 335i?

The F30 is only 0.3 seconds slower than the current 335i: a fine reason for BMW saying sayonara once and for all to a new 335i.

The F30 328i does it all as a sedan. I'm sure it will be fantastic too as a coupe. Finally, a quicker 328i that will probably be a blast to drive!
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figures you have something bad to say about the n20

N20>N52
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People who prefer a better exhaust and engine sound and those who want lower engine vibration at high revs.
Those people should get a VW GTI. As for me, I will be checking out the F30.

The new 328i 4 banger looks like another engine masterpiece from BMW: better performance than the inline 6 with improved mpg.
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All I know is the 4 banger makes the 328i faster than with the inline 6, and with better mpg. Sounds like BMW has produced another winner.

They'd better! BMW sinks or swims based on the success of the 3 Series.
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The F30 is only 0.3 seconds slower than the current 335i: a fine reason for BMW saying sayonara once and for all to a new 335i.
0-60mph is irrelevant in real world.

5-60mph is 7.1s for a 3400lbs N20 car and 5.5s for a 335i. Still a BIG difference. And the F10 335i will have probably 320HP and an engine note not to be ashamed of.
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Hey, can someone point me to Car and Driver's 5-60 7.1sec clock of the Z4 n20? I can't seem to find it. I'd like to read the rest of the stats.
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Hey, can someone point me to Car and Driver's 5-60 7.1sec clock of the Z4 n20? I can't seem to find it. I'd like to read the rest of the stats.
lmfao, i cant find it anywhere either...all i can find are ESTIMATES of 0-60 times... not saying it doesnt exist, just its very hard to find that info...
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lmfao, i cant find it anywhere either...all i can find are ESTIMATES of 0-60 times... not saying it doesnt exist, just its very hard to find that info...
Yeah when you filter on their website for instrumentation tests, the z4 28i doesn't show up at all. Is it only in print? Can someone tell me what back issue?
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Thanks Saintor!

I'm thinking I may end up going with the 335. I test drove the e90 328 and it wasn't enough for me. I was gonna get a e90 335 but decided to wait for the F30 since the e90 interior styling wasn't lighting my fire. I'll test drive to decide; but if the n20 doesn't feel anymore powerful then the e90 328, then it's a 335 for me. Key word is "feel" though.. if it excites me more, that may be enough enough for me. BMW may pull some tricks that make the n20 in the 328 work better than in the Z4... we'll have to wait a month to see..

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Thanks Saintor!

I'm thinking I may end up going with the 335. I test drove the e90 328 and it wasn't enough for me. I was gonna get a e90 335 but decided to wait for the F30 since the e90 interior styling wasn't lighting my fire. I'll test drive to decide; but if the n20 doesn't feel anymore powerful then the e90 328, then it's a 335 for me. Key word is "feel" though.. if it excites me more, that may be enough enough for me. BMW may pull some tricks that make the n20 in the 328 work better than in the Z4... we'll have to wait a month to see..
That wont be the case lol...wait till you drive one...the additional 60lb foot of toruque is noticeable, and its already been rumored that one of the car mags dynod the 328 an got closer to 270bhp.

I was sold after feeling the toque in the n20.
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My pleasure.

See also the test notes at the bottom. It is my experience as well. People who think that it has significantly more low-end oooomph than the N52 are delusional with pink glasses.
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My wife's 2011 GTI (chipped) gives me a feeling of more ooomph then the E90 328 i drove, but I feel the turbo lag too much in her car. I test drove a manual 2011 GTI and it felt much better... manual makes the lag less noticeable cause of controlling the clutch and revs. If the F30 328 in manual feels like a manual GTI then I'll probably be satisfied with that. If not.. 335. We'll see.
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But, I'm sure the next generation 335i, assuming there is one, will re-establish the significant 0-60 mph differential between it and the F30. If it doesn't, who needs the 335i?

The F30 is only 0.3 seconds slower than the current 335i: a fine reason for BMW saying sayonara once and for all to a new 335i.
The 335i is really the first non-///M 3-Series model that substantially widened the power/acceleration gap in the lineup. Prior to that the 325i/330i, 323i/328i, etc. were usually no more than a second apart either in the 0-60 race.

Given that, the N20 328i closes the gap somewhat but I fail to see how it makes the 335i irrelevant in any way. There is still lots of headroom in the N55 powertrain and it's very likely power will be increased by 20 hp or more in the near future. Others have also already pointed out that real-world 5-60 times, passing times and acceleration at higher speeds are dramatically different - the stock N55 still has a 60 hp advantage. Plus there's the sound and feel of the inline-6 that many people still want in a higher spec trim level than the 328i.
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The 335i is really the first non-///M 3-Series model that substantially widened the power/acceleration gap in the lineup. Prior to that the 325i/330i, 323i/328i, etc. were usually no more than a second apart either in the 0-60 race.

Given that, the N20 328i closes the gap somewhat but I fail to see how it makes the 335i irrelevant in any way. There is still lots of headroom in the N55 powertrain and it's very likely power will be increased by 20 hp or more in the near future. Others have also already pointed out that real-world 5-60 times, passing times and acceleration at higher speeds are dramatically different - the stock N55 still has a 60 hp advantage. Plus there's the sound and feel of the inline-6 that many people still want in a higher spec trim level than the 328i.
+1. Also, bear in mind that we are looking at BMW posted performance numbers for the 335, which in the E9X past were pretty understated. Doesn't InsideLine have a 4.9 second test on an N54 335?
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