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Old 01-04-2012, 05:34 AM
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Reprogramming your MMI (front screen)

Hey all....

I have successfully worked out how to control and program all features of the MMI using the Dashsoft Tool v2.10 that I bought off eBay.

I can easily program my MMI to SHOW or to NOT SHOW virtually every aspect of the MMI.

So far I have found that most of the commands are written into command line 3002 of the MMI in ASCII code.

eg. if I change pos1: change 55 to 5F, the MMI will now show DVD and L7, pos2: change 0A to 2E and it shows front seat heating, pos4: change 8C to 49 and it will show Bluetooth, pos8: change 00 to D0 and it shows DTC, pos9: change 00 to 8F and it shows AUX, etc.....

I can control the MMI showing CDC, TV, DVD, AUX, CBS, OIL Level, BLUETOOTH, REAR MONITOR, DTC, EDC, DSC, Menu functions, Front Seat Heating Left and Right, L7, to name a few.

So if you have this tool, and you need to activate something, let me know and I will share the codes I have worked out so far to help you.

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Old 01-04-2012, 07:24 AM
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Thanks AceFX. Will try it tonight. I'm using NCS Expert so it's a little bit different but the same basic principal that you have pointed out.
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I took a look at the MMI .trc file and I found the options below. I dont have TV or DVD. I am wondering what would happen if I activate the TV option here. My end goal would be to add in a DVD changer and the do the video on the move mod so I can have video on my front screen without needing the rear entertainment hardware. I dont see why this cant work in theory

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Hey DFEL750I.......
if you get this tool of eBay or from the sellers web site www.ecusells.com you just plug it in, read the MMI coding, go to command line 3002 and very simply edit the ASCII code. You won't 'brick' it!
You will see other options become available as you change the code. It really is quite simple.
In addition to making all the features of my car work on the MMI I have also added to my MMI the following AUX, OIL Level, Check Control and Bluetooth.

I wish I owned the company that makes this tool........there is no reward in this for me......

I experimented heaps with it. I added things, I removed things, I continually changed the information on my MMI and it didn't falter once. it just followed whatever commands I gave it....

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Hey DFEL750I.......
if you get this tool of eBay or from the sellers web site www.ecusells.com you just plug it in, read the MMI coding, go to command line 3002 and very simply edit the ASCII code. You won't 'brick' it!
You will see other options become available as you change the code. It really is quite simple.
In addition to making all the features of my car work on the MMI I have also added to my MMI the following AUX, OIL Level, Check Control and Bluetooth.

I wish I owned the company that makes this tool........there is no reward in this for me......

I experimented heaps with it. I added things, I removed things, I continually changed the information on my MMI and it didn't falter once. it just followed whatever commands I gave it....
are you getting those commands in the MMI on the audio section or other sections? I have most of those on my 760 like the oil level (like any other 7) and the heated seat controls and what-not. Are they getting added to their respective sub-sections like under climate or car or what?

Dude, you are the man! As far as not getting any benefits, you are helping out a BUNCH of people and you can probably sell your services in Australia.
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Hey csmeance......
changing this coding adds the features to the MMI menu items.
As far as OIL level goes, my car is a pre-facelift and it didn't show OIL Level, but now I have activated that and now I have it. Also with the front seat heating, again my car being a pre-facelift, I couldn't adjust to where the heating would bias too, e.g. more to your back or more to your bum.......now I have that additional control to alter the bias of the seat heating.
Adding AUX gave me an additional input and also my car didn't have BLUETOOTH, now I do!
In the Audio section, yes, I have now FM, AM, CD, CDC(iPod), AUX, TV, DVD, PICTURE and TONE(which takes me to the L7)

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I took a look at the MMI .trc file and I found the options below. I dont have TV or DVD. I am wondering what would happen if I activate the TV option here. My end goal would be to add in a DVD changer and the do the video on the move mod so I can have video on my front screen without needing the rear entertainment hardware. I dont see why this cant work in theory

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I used the one I bought off ebay .... that 4in1 reader for $250. It is on www.ecusells.com with the Dashsoft v2.1.0 software.
I swear it has opened so many things to me about my car.
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I used the one I bought off ebay .... that 4in1 reader for $250. It is on www.ecusells.com with the Dashsoft v2.1.0 software.
I swear it has opened so many things to me about my car.
Well worth the investment
I was talking to DFEL750 .


but I have a quick question for you .
you state if you change Pos #2 to 2E you get front seat heating .
Well my question is shouldn't you already have that option ?
I know in my car when I push I-drive to the left center it takes
me to AC controls on MMI , & at the bottom left if I click on the page
symbol it takes me to the next page Which is front seat heating controls .
My Pos#2 is set at 23 .

1 more question , Have you tried any of these changes on the old Pre-facelift MMI ?
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Sorry Paper.....my bad.

I mean I was able to change seat heating bias options.
Now with coding, and bear in mind I am still compiling a list, I started experimenting by inputting random codes and as I did this, different options and functions would reveal themselves. So since I don't have a list of the BMW codes per say, I have to do this by slowly trying each code one by one, but the main thing I found was that the command line that controlled everything is 3002. It may be that different combinations of codes equal different results, hence your 23. At least I have discovered the link and now I am drilling down on it, which is more than I have seen anyone else do here. I'll keep you posted as I go.

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I hope I am not detecting sarcasm in your replies PAPER?
Yes I have tried this on the pre-facelift MMI and so far as I can tell command line 3002 does the same. I did experiment with some codes but I was more interested in my facelift MMI. Bottom line is though, I was getting similar results with the pre-facelift MMI with the same command line 3002. It maybe though that the codes are different in a pre-facelift MMI.......but I am working on it slowly.

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Sorry Paper.....my bad.

I mean I was able to change seat heating bias options.
Now with coding, and bear in mind I am still compiling a list, I started experimenting by inputting random codes and as I did this, different options and functions would reveal themselves. So since I don't have a list of the BMW codes per say, I have to do this by slowly trying each code one by one, but the main thing I found was that the command line that controlled everything is 3002. It may be that different combinations of codes equal different results, hence your 23. At least I have discovered the link and now I am drilling down on it, which is more than I have seen anyone else do here. I'll keep you posted as I go.
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I hope I am not detecting sarcasm in your replies PAPER?
Yes I have tried this on the pre-facelift MMI and so far as I can tell command line 3002 does the same. I did experiment with some codes but I was more interested in my facelift MMI. Bottom line is though, I was getting similar results with the pre-facelift MMI with the same command line 3002. It maybe though that the codes are different in a pre-facelift MMI.......but I am working on it slowly.
No sarcasm coming from me
I was just wondering if your settings were different regarding
the seats & settings on page 2 of the climate control screen .
& I was wondering if we change the settings on are Pre-facelift
would it show up .
( IM STILL TRYING TO FIND A FACELIFT MMI FOR MY CAR )
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what software or tool did you use to get the MMI TRC file ???
This is the TRC from my MMI using NCS Expert....I have a facelift ....I would suspect that your pre facelift would have different options.
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Hey DFEL750I.......
if you get this tool of eBay or from the sellers web site www.ecusells.com you just plug it in, read the MMI coding, go to command line 3002 and very simply edit the ASCII code. You won't 'brick' it!
You will see other options become available as you change the code. It really is quite simple.
In addition to making all the features of my car work on the MMI I have also added to my MMI the following AUX, OIL Level, Check Control and Bluetooth.

I wish I owned the company that makes this tool........there is no reward in this for me......

I experimented heaps with it. I added things, I removed things, I continually changed the information on my MMI and it didn't falter once. it just followed whatever commands I gave it....
Thanks. I will look to see if I can do this using NCS expert. I have not looked at other coding software but my assumption is that all of them are just GUIs that talk to the BMW edibas server software that actually talk to the modules. My engineering assumption is that there are a bunch of APIs for the EDIBAS server software platform that different developers are using to create their own GUIs. I suspect that the options in my TRC file can be changed to get to the same results using NCS expert. You have all these options because you have the facelift MMI. As you know the MMI is the brain of idrive and with the updated MMI you can now pull additional info through the SZL gateway from other computers on the network like DME etc.

I really haven't had too much time to dig into all of this like you have but we have some great minds on here and I think we can do a lot more in the future. Hopefully I will have more time to dig into things myself to help advance the knowledge we have on here.


For NCS expert which I use when you read the module the coding is pulled in a metadata file (ASCII) which is converted to human readable options using a "profile" (most common one being the pfister profile). You then are left with a standard text file with options like what I included in my first post in this thread where you can make all the read options available active or not active. Once you make your changes to the text file the coding changes are written to the respective module.

The limitations of NCS expert is really what options the profile being used allows the user to change in the metadata file. I am pretty sure more detailed changes can be made if someone understood how to make changes to the metadata file directly without bricking something.

Those with the facelift MMI already have all these options in the MMI turned on like oil, bluetooth etc.
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Great reply DFEL750I, I too am an IT and Electronics Engineer and so I find this whole business really stimulating. Knowledge is power and if we all share, we will all benefit.

I hadn't tried NCS or INPA etc and I agree with you, the bottom line is that they are all just different GUI's to access the same data. I guess I stumbled across this Dashsoft which would have to be the most user friendly one I have come across to date.

I differ on your interpretation of the SZL, it is not really a gateway, sure the Wiper controls, Gear Controls, Headlight and Indicator Controls and Cruise Controls work through it, but the SZL is just another module which is actually connected to the SIM which then feeds to the ZGM (Gateway Module) The SZL module is a part of the byteflyte network which is NOT connected to the MOST bus in anyway shape or form. Maybe you meant the ZGM?

As for bricking something, I am not so sure that can happen.......I have loaded and coded data from the facelift modules into the pre-facelift modules and vice versa, and they all still worked.
I have regularly changed the coding back and forth between pre-facelift and facelift modules including the BZM, BZMF, front and rear iDrives, front and rear Control Gateways, the MMI, MMIF, LM, KOMBI, PDC, WIM, IHKA, ASK, DVD, TV, TCU and nothing ever 'bricked'. I don't actually know who came up with that term and why so many people are scared of this 'brick' thing happening.

And believe me, I have put in all sorts of codes in the ASCII and then loaded it just to see what would happen. Seriously, I have really dared some experimental codes and they never 'bricked', I may just lose some functions, but because I back my files up it is easy to re-instate them........ I wonder if the term 'brick' came from a BMW Master Tech who was scared of doing something lol.....so they spook the customer away by Baffling with Bull**** rather than Dazzling with Brilliance.......hmmmmm lol

I know that BMW Master Techs are very limited with what they can do to the cars. The way the BMW system works is that a car must have a VO that is approved by the factory. If you step outside of that, the factory BMW system will recognise a 'foreign' module and will tell you to replace it before it allows coding to proceed, so it can prevent an item being turned on until the VO is corrected....maybe thats where the term 'bricking' came from. I have had experience with BMW AG and I have a good mate who is a BMW Master Tech and I have also had the opportunity to work along side him in the BMW workshop. I'll let you in on my little secret, I used to write some Software for BMW AG, so I have had access to things and still do......although limited to a certain extent.

I have got a copy of all the ASCII files from a facelift BMW 760Li so that has helped me get a long way with this work, including the PGS, FLA, CA and other features of the facelift model. Now I have loaded some of these files into my pre-facelift car and nothing ever 'bricked'..... the only thing that would happen is the options would change...... but never 'brick'.

I am very comfortable now with trying anything, I was writing in codes just for fun to see what would happen, and I always got things back to normal.

So, lets keep working together and we can eat this 'perceived' elephant........ byte by byte...... module by module

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Hey PAPER, have you tried eBay global? www.global.ebay.com for a facelift MMI?
There are heaps of sellers in Germany and Lithuania who sell these things and more from facelift E65 E66.
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Hey PAPER, have you tried eBay global? www.global.ebay.com for a facelift MMI?
There are heaps of sellers in Germany and Lithuania who sell these things and more from facelift E65 E66.
I'll check that out thanks .
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PAPER PAPER PAPER....you're not trying hard enough.....here is one for sale in TEXAS, from a 2007.....move quickly!!!! A lot of people are watching this post!!!!

http://global.ebay.com/BMW-E65-E66-8...887158352/item

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PAPER PAPER PAPER....you're not trying hard enough.....here is one for sale in TEXAS, from a 2007.....move quickly!!!! A lot of people are watching this post!!!!

http://global.ebay.com/BMW-E65-E66-8...887158352/item

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LoL hahaha I am 1 of the people watching that on ebay .
I sent the seller a message cause the part # is not listed
as a 2007 . it came up as a 2002 when I searched on

http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/65829157123/#all
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you ever come to the states & I'll take you to a place where they look
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Ohhhhhhhh......the VIN he has given is for a March 2007 750Li...........and the production date on the back of the unit KW: 12/07 is the 12th work day in 2007...... so that makes sense that it is a facelift MMI...... and it is HW: 03

My pre-facelift KW date is 12/03 which means day 12th work day in the year 2003 and my car was a March 2003 760Li....so that makes sense too.....and the HW is HW: 00

And the facelift MMI that I bought off eBay from the States in my car right now is KW 19/06....viz 19th work day in 2006.....

It is definitely a facelift MMI.

It is HW: 03 and KW: 12/07 thats 2007

Mine is HW: 02 and KW: 19/06 thats 2006

If you don't buy it, I just might and then I will sell you my KW: 19/06 and at least you know it works hahahaha

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Well, funny you say that....I intend to come to the States in the not to distant future and it would be great to meet some of you guys.......and then you can get me a girl for my back seat!!!
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Ohhhhhhhh......the VIN he has given is for a March 2007 750Li...........and the production date on the back of the unit KW 12/07 is the 12th work day in 2007...... so that makes sense that it is a facelift MMI.

My pre-facelift KW date is 12/2003 which means day 12th work day in the year 2003 and my car was a March 2003 760Li....so that makes sense too.

And the facelift MMI that I bought off eBay from the States in my car right now is KW 19/06....viz 19th work day in 2006.....
AHH I did notice , but I want to make sure cause the part # came up as 02
which was strange .

Also I'm going to a new Salvage yard tomorrow to price Haggle for the MMI &
some other parts .

did you see my new question in your other post ???
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