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Old 01-19-2012, 07:25 PM
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Holy crap, did the price just HALF? Or am I misremembering?
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Old 01-19-2012, 07:31 PM
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Holy crap, did the price just HALF? Or am I misremembering?
It's really little more than springs, or so it appears to me. Don't know how involved the front mounts are, but it would be interesting to compare the springs to RD or any of the other springs available.

The concept of full travel in front is good, but is 1/2 inch travel better than recoding the dampers? For that matter, are the dampers capable of performing better if recoded? More and more it looks like if you really want to mod the suspension you need to go the coilover route and for those of us with DHP that significantly complicates matters.
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Old 01-19-2012, 07:42 PM
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Thats a far more realistic price as when you couple it with the installation cost you were paying almost 3x's more than you would with other springs on the market. I saw it only drops it .5" though and I don't know why I thought it was alot more? Why would you need shorter bump stops for just that drop? My RD's drop it just over 1" and in alot of hard driving it hasn't bottomed out. I wonder if they'll refund those who paid double the price just a few days ago?
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Old 01-19-2012, 07:57 PM
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Thats a far more realistic price as when you couple it with the installation cost you were paying almost 3x's more than you would with other springs on the market. I saw it only drops it .5" though and I don't know why I thought it was alot more? Why would you need shorter bump stops for just that drop? My RD's drop it just over 1" and in alot of hard driving it hasn't bottomed out. I wonder if they'll refund those who paid double the price just a few days ago?
Aren't RDS springs around a grand?
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Old 01-19-2012, 07:59 PM
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Dunder I am really excited to hear about your experience with the sling set up. The car is looking great. You made the story about the ride and the modes very very interesting. Your narration was great!! Looking forward to hearing more!!

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Old 01-19-2012, 08:02 PM
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Dunder I am really excited to hear about your experience with the sling set up. The car is looking great. You made the story about the ride and the modes very very interesting. Your narration was great!! Looking forward to hearing more!!

Enjoy it brother , ill see you in 6 months!
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Old 01-20-2012, 05:16 AM
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Old 01-20-2012, 05:37 AM
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Aren't RDS springs around a grand?
Yeah I believe the retail is like $795 for the adaptive drive ones. But because it's not from just one source it's possible to get them lower than that. I paid $400 since I'm pretty good about not paying alot more than I think something is worth. Also you can get them installed anywhere which means you don't pay more for installation then the springs. Still the don't come with a warranty although I can't see anything breaking. All in all with this new price Dinan is right in the middle of the field which is a good thing.
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Old 01-20-2012, 08:13 AM
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Did they give up on the custom shock mounts? Not mentioned on their site anymore.
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Old 01-20-2012, 08:52 AM
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Did they give up on the custom shock mounts? Not mentioned on their site anymore.
I believe instead of that they shortened the bump stop.
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Old 01-20-2012, 09:28 AM
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That's what I'm reading. Makes you wonder how much R&D goes into their products before release. Their track record with the F10 is pretty lousy so far:
  • Release Stage 1 software, then 6 months later release Stage 2 with no hardware requirements, just software improvements for power delivery and driveability "After many hours of further research, tuning and testing"
  • Release a $3,700 exhaust (mufflers and tips) that drones enough for people to remove and return it.
  • Release a suspension system with shock mount relocators, take it off the website for 2 weeks and re-release with shorter bumpstops at half the cost.
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Old 01-20-2012, 09:29 AM
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That's what I'm reading. Makes you wonder how much R&D goes into their products before release. Their track record with the F10 is pretty lousy so far:
  • Release Stage 1 software, then 6 months later release Stage 2 with no hardware requirements, just software improvements for power delivery and driveability "After many hours of further research, tuning and testing"
  • Release a $3,700 exhaust (mufflers and tips) that drones enough for people to remove and return it.
  • Release a suspension system with shock mount relocators, take it off the website for 2 weeks and re-release with shorter bumpstops at half the cost.
The initial exhausts had a manufacturing defect that they admitted. They replaced the exhausts affected.
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Old 01-20-2012, 09:51 AM
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Tbh though regardless of what they would have done they were always gonna release the tune in stages for financial reasons even if they could have rung out every last hp at the beginning. As for the shock mounts frankly I think they realized it was superfluous even without the shortened bump stops. Every other kit out drops it more than double what they do and I don't think I've heard anyone report issues of it bottoming out. I think it's more of a way for it to seem more thoroughly engineered than an actual need.
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:21 AM
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Maybe - but it would have made more sense if the Stage 2 was bundled with (and optimized for) additional hardware (catback exhaust, intake, intercooler) that could get even bigger gains. Instead it feels a bit nickel and dime to charge $500 for what Stage 1 should have been from the start.

I totally agree on the shock mounts, but why think of that AFTER you've released the product?

I think I've posted this before, but when I spend that much money on a product from a company with their reputation I expect it to be their best effort with use of the facilities and engineering team they talk about in the marketing. From what I'm seeing, it doesn't appear we're getting that.
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:56 AM
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Maybe - but it would have made more sense if the Stage 2 was bundled with (and optimized for) additional hardware (catback exhaust, intake, intercooler) that could get even bigger gains. Instead it feels a bit nickel and dime to charge $500 for what Stage 1 should have been from the start.

I totally agree on the shock mounts, but why think of that AFTER you've released the product?

I think I've posted this before, but when I spend that much money on a product from a company with their reputation I expect it to be their best effort with use of the facilities and engineering team they talk about in the marketing. From what I'm seeing, it doesn't appear we're getting that.
You think that's bad? You know their charging like $250 for a stage 3 tune with the exhaust(no its not included in the $3700 for the exhaust) which gives you 10hp at the crank. The other stuff you mentioned is probably stage 4 & 5 lol.
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My independent non BMW dealer quoted me $970 for the suspension install. I am going to wait though, and will likely do it sometime after the Stage 2 ECU update.
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I think I'm going to need to keep my eyes peeled for some pretty quick and agile F10s in the DC area.

BTW, after a couple days with the new springs, I'm finding that I'm putting the car in Sport mode most of the time. I'm also noticing this tank of gas isn't doing so well.
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I think I'm going to need to keep my eyes peeled for some pretty quick and agile F10s in the DC area.

BTW, after a couple days with the new springs, I'm finding that I'm putting the car in Sport mode most of the time. I'm also noticing this tank of gas isn't doing so well.
Where in MD are you? I live in Rockville right now but we just bought a house in Silver Spring and are moving there the end of the month. I'd love to see your car up close while I'm (im)patiently waiting for mine.
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Let's get crazy and the suspension is $500 for a good 5 points towards your badge
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Let's get crazy and the suspension is $500 for a good 5 points towards your badge
About $1500 when you factor install, but still that's a lot of points for $1500.
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Where in MD are you? I live in Rockville right now but we just bought a house in Silver Spring and are moving there the end of the month. I'd love to see your car up close while I'm (im)patiently waiting for mine.
If we could get some DC/Balto area Festers interested, I would like to meet up at the Cars & Coffee next Saturday. I'm not an early riser, but I could get there around 9:00 am. I haven't been to one of these yet, so it might be interesting to try.

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If we could get some DC/Balto area Festers interested, I would like to meet up at the Cars & Coffee next Saturday. I'm not an early riser, but I could get there around 9:00 am. I haven't been to one of these yet, so it might be interesting to try.

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I might be down for that as long as it doesn't look like this morning.....

Katie's in Great Falls has an amazing C&C too.
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Dunder - Anxious to hear how it rides over not-so-smooth roads?

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Dunder - Anxious to hear how it rides over not-so-smooth roads?
I only head down to DC when my job takes me there. So far I have been spared the trip.
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