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can the same coding be done with NCS expert?

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Yes. Read the module (MMI in this case) with NCS expert and you get the NETTODAT.TRC file which contain the command lines Ace is referring to.

You can modify the hex value on line 3002 as per Ace's guide and save the file as NETTODAT.MAN then code the MMI using the basic functions/coapiCodeSgByNettoDATA Type "NETTODAT.MAN".
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Hi politby,

Thanks for that, I will read the MMI this weekend and have a look. Im using INPA and DIS on my macbook using a virtual machine inside a virtual machine which is pretty slow! So im setting up a old computer in the garage at the moment purely for diagnostics etc...



I will take a picture of the unit this weekend, The wiring sounds simple just need to find the diagrams for my unit and the new one i will be fitting and match the connections up.

Thanks again

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If you have a facelift Tcu its just a simple coding change.
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If you have a facelift Tcu its just a simple coding change.
I hope i've got facelift TCU)

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Can someone else who has NCS Expert try this?

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I hope i've got facelift TCU)
Now wouldn't it be swell if someone could tell us the definition of a "facelift TCU".

There are so many TCU part numbers in the BMW listings that it makes my brain hurt...
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Okay, while working on creating a 32-bit Win7 partition so I can run NCS Expert natively, I made a little dry run.

I used Revtor's NCSdummy tool to compare the NETTODAT.TRC files before and after the change on command line 3002. That's a handy function to find out what a hex code change in the nettodat file will result in the human "readable" parameter file:

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Output       : Trace Differences
Chassis      : E65 (E65,E66,E67,E68)
Module       : MMI_E65.C03
Trace file 1 : "C:\NCSEXPER\WORK\NETTODAT.TRC" (Nettodata)
Trace file 2 : "C:\NCSEXPER\WORK\NETTODAT2.TRC" (Nettodata)
Differences  : Yes


1   2   FUNCTION KEYWORD        FUNCTION KEYWORD TRANSLATION
            PARAMETER KEYWORD       PARAMETER KEYWORD TRANSLATION
        ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
        BLUETOOTH_HANDY         
*           nicht_aktiv             not active
    *       aktiv                   active
As you can see the parameter affected by the "3D" to "3F" change in the 7th hex pair is the BLUETOOTH_HANDY value which gets set to active. "Handy", of course, being the German word for cellphone.

Now, it's anybody´s guess why something this obvious has not been successfully attempted by anyone on the German 7-forum, but my hunch is that this simple coding change may not work on every pre-sep-06 facelift car because the TCU versions may not necessarily be timed with the facelift date (s).

And for those using NCS Expert this means that coding this can be done via the standard method so coding by way of NETTODAT is not necessary.

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Old 02-17-2012, 03:30 PM
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Hi Ace, are you guessing the hex values or do you have some reference info re you're settings?
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Hi Burgermeister,

In the first instance I was 'experimenting' with them (guessing if you like) to see what change did what.

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Shame we can't get a source code dump from BMW

BTW, we s/w engineers don't call them hex pairs, each pair = 1 byte (or 8 bits)
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Hi politby,

Thanks for that, I will read the MMI this weekend and have a look. Im using INPA and DIS on my macbook using a virtual machine inside a virtual machine which is pretty slow! So im setting up a old computer in the garage at the moment purely for diagnostics etc...
A VM inside a VM? So you're what, running a Windows VM in VMware Fusion on the Mac and then running VMware Workstation or VirtualPC in that VM? Cool, but why?

I've been working in virtualization for 6 years and only just now found the occasion to use it personally... to be able to run old 16-bit BMW software on a modern O/S...

Rather incredible that no one at BMW has leaked these specs, in all these years. Makes me wonder what they are threatened with if they did...

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A VM inside a VM? So you're what, running a Windows VM in VMware Fusion on the Mac and then running VMware Workstation or VirtualPC in that VM? Cool, but why?

I've been working in virtualization for 6 years and only just now found the occasion to use it personally... to be able to run old 16-bit BMW software on a modern O/S...

Rather incredible that no one at BMW has leaked these specs, in all these years. Makes me wonder what they are threatened with if they did...
Yeah pretty much! I gave up on windows as a main OS many years ago! I have virtual box running on the mac which has a copy of windows running on it, this runs the INPA and the diagnostic head emulator, I then have VMware running inside the windows virtual machine to run the dis software. It does actually work but just very slowly!

I don't have any windows capable machines at home, I'm looking to get something setup purely for diagnostics and coding.
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