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Old 03-06-2012, 07:49 AM
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I just do not get it - why someone need to use radar detectors in the city like NYC? I am not aware of police using radars on the streets. Also, in regards to Red lights alerts in IX:
I understand of anyone speeding - basically the speed limits are often set too low, but going on a Red light? It is really too dangerous and should be a"NO-NO", so I do not see how anyone should buy 9500IX over V1 because of availability of "red light"/camera option.
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Old 03-06-2012, 08:14 AM
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read up on light delay changes from yellow to red when red light cameras are imstalled. also look up accident volume increases when they are installed.

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Old 03-06-2012, 08:56 AM
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I just bought a Beltronics 995 for $70 at Radio Shack for long distance commutes. Will not use it in the city though. For $70, I can't complain.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:11 AM
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The best choice is the STi Driver plus. With its integrated GPS, if you drive by the same frequency at the same location 3 times, it will lock it out as a false. If you drive by and that signal is not there, it will unlock it out. If its a speed trap, you mark it as a speed trap.

Its eerily silent until you really need it, unlike the V1 which is like chicken little crying the sky is falling. You inevitably ignore it because it falses so much.

If you live in Virginia and 3/4 of the Canadian provinces, you can't legally use an RD anyway, so you need something thats invisble to the Spectre RDD used by VSP and OPP for example. Thats when you need a hidden display
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:19 PM
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I'm thinking of getting K40 and laser defuser installed. Can someone share some info please. If you ever had it? Does it work well?
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:08 PM
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so I do not see how anyone should buy 9500IX over V1 because of availability of "red light"/camera option.

I don't know about NYC laws, but overall, the biggest number of "red light camera" tickets are for turns on red after stopping. There are many cases of the cameras issuing tickets even after the vehicle has come to a complete stop before proceeding.

http://photoradarscam.com/malfunctions.php

Many cities have stopped using the camera for right turn on red violations due to their frequent mistakes.

My issue with camera tickets is that few people can remember every bit of their driving days afterwards. If the police stop me to give me a ticket, I can discuss what happened and know whether or not I really violated the law. With a camera it is difficult to argue, as the ticket comes long after the violation. I would be much more comfortable if they were stop light "videos" rather than stop light cameras.

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Old 03-08-2012, 04:34 PM
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I have both a new V1 and Redline. I used to depend mostly on the V1 but now with Escort LIVE the V1 has little to offer other than the arrows.

Currently I run the V1 early in the morning on the way to work but RL + EL all the other times. When driving hundreds of miles on an open road, you really can't survive without EL.

V1 is promising ESP but their little experiment with newer technology called SAVVY is a complete waste.

There are good threads on EL at http://escortradarforum.com/forums/f...splay.php?f=45
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:02 AM
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Its eerily silent until you really need it, unlike the V1 which is like chicken little crying the sky is falling. You inevitably ignore it because it falses so much.
This is exactly true for me... Sometimes I turn it off and sometimes when I do have it on I just turn down the volume. V1 is hardly useful due to so many false alerts.
On highways and interstates it is a blessing though... in the city, forget about it...
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:46 AM
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The best choice is the STi Driver plus. With its integrated GPS, if you drive by the same frequency at the same location 3 times, it will lock it out as a false. If you drive by and that signal is not there, it will unlock it out. If its a speed trap, you mark it as a speed trap.

Its eerily silent until you really need it, unlike the V1 which is like chicken little crying the sky is falling. You inevitably ignore it because it falses so much.

If you live in Virginia and 3/4 of the Canadian provinces, you can't legally use an RD anyway, so you need something thats invisble to the Spectre RDD used by VSP and OPP for example. Thats when you need a hidden display


My father just picked one of these units up (even though they are legal here) and it performs very well.

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Old 03-09-2012, 10:20 AM
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I'm thinking of getting K40 and laser defuser installed. Can someone share some info please. If you ever had it? Does it work well?
I run a LI laser jammer front and rear in my e39 M5. It seems to work. At least I have not been ticketed going thru obvious laser traps. It goes off so rarely it scares the crap out of me when it does, thus I automatically back off the throttle. Which is probably a good thing as the laser will eventually punch through. It was expensive and not an easy install. The customer support at LI is terrific.

Have not gotten around to putting jammer into this x5. Just do not travel the speeds I do in M 5, plus winter. If anybody has done the LI install on an e70 please post the front and rear pictures of heads.

I have run concealed v1for many years and bought one for x5 too. It works well if you pay attention and know what it is telling you. I don't spend much time in urban jungles, or speed above the flow when I do. So the v1 suits my northern new England, adirondack, central ny and western pa territory pretty well.

I like the concept of real time gps community of habitual offenders providing real time updates and other gee whizz technology. But I just don't believe the critical mass is there to make it useful at this point. At least on the routes I frequent. Fwiw.
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Old 03-10-2012, 01:49 PM
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Hands down the Valentine One is the premiere unit out. It has paid for itself 10 times over. Don't be swayed, get the V1 NOW

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Old 03-10-2012, 02:33 PM
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Hands down the Valentine One is the premiere unit out. It has paid for itself 10 times over. Don't be swayed, get the V1 NOW

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And you'd be wrong, It may have been the best, but I think the latest dectors from Belscort have dethroned it.
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Old 03-10-2012, 02:46 PM
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I have the V1 and it has saved me many times. I drive between Las Vegas and L.A./San Diego and most of the drive is pretty straight, through large empty desert valleys and knowing which direction and how many bogeys is invaluable when you want to exceed the posted speed limits. Is he behind me moving up through the traffic or is he ahead of me? Is there 1, 2, 3 radar patrol cars? I like knowing the answer to these questions. Just my two cents.
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Old 03-10-2012, 03:38 PM
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I have the V1 and it has saved me many times. I drive between Las Vegas and L.A./San Diego and most of the drive is pretty straight, through large empty desert valleys and knowing which direction and how many bogeys is invaluable when you want to exceed the posted speed limits. Is he behind me moving up through the traffic or is he ahead of me? Is there 1, 2, 3 radar patrol cars? I like knowing the answer to these questions. Just my two cents.
Escort/Bel detectors in tech mode will show you how many and the signal strengths as well. V1 patented the arrows, so no other detector will ever have those. V1 also has incredible sensitivity on all bands. The problem with the V1 is
1. Its detectable by the spectre
2. Its falses way to much

Both of those have been addressed by Bel/Escort via the use of GPS and the using local oscillators with low leakage. V1's sensitivity has been matched and better by Escort through the use of selectively turning off parts of the superwide Ka band.
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Old 03-10-2012, 04:26 PM
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V1 patented the arrows, so no other detector will ever have those.
I believe their patent is expiring soon. It will be interesting to see if anyone picks-up the feature on their radar detectors.

Addendum: I just Googled it and apparently the V-1 arrow patent expired in February of 2011. So we may be seeing arrows on more than the V-1... although incorporating them would require an extensive redesign and be awkward to Market, since their competitors have been dismissing the usefulness of arrows fro years.

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Old 03-10-2012, 04:43 PM
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I also have Valentine one, but it is one of the noisiest radar detector ever especially in NYC areas.... I regret getting it...

Although it seems be be a bit of a crutch/kludge, V-1 does have a new accessory to make false alarms less irritating in urban areas:

https://store.valentine1.com/Store/default.asp#20220
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Old 03-10-2012, 11:40 PM
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Old 03-11-2012, 08:12 PM
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Kzang, I grew up in NY on Long Island and drove up and down the east coast. Moved out to Vegas 15 years ago. There is way, way more RF being transmitted in the NY metro area that causes so many false alarms a radar detector is almost useless and I'm going off experience from the 80's and 90's. It must be even worse now.
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:29 AM
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Kzang, I grew up in NY on Long Island and drove up and down the east coast. Moved out to Vegas 15 years ago. There is way, way more RF being transmitted in the NY metro area that causes so many false alarms a radar detector is almost useless and I'm going off experience from the 80's and 90's. It must be even worse now.
Thats where the STiR Plus with GPS comes in. You drive the same route every day. It sees the same frequencies at the same spots, and it flags it as a false. Everything is nice and quiet, until tomorrow, you drive, and there is a new frequency, a LEO using radar. It gives you an early warning due to its superior range on Ka

Like I said earlier, its eerily silent on my daily loop, until it detects a new frequency. The detector will unlock a frequency as a false if you are at a location and the frequency that it was expecting isn't there
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I just do not get it - why someone need to use radar detectors in the city like NYC? I am not aware of police using radars on the streets. Also, in regards to Red lights alerts in IX:
I understand of anyone speeding - basically the speed limits are often set too low, but going on a Red light? It is really too dangerous and should be a"NO-NO", so I do not see how anyone should buy 9500IX over V1 because of availability of "red light"/camera option.
Actually, let me correct myself... I don't drive in the city ( Manhattan ) however, most of my NY drives are on the cross bronx and northern NJ. So there are plenty of patrol cars using radar as I got pulled over once while the V1 was lighting up like a christmas tree... Unfortunately I ignored the alert thinking it was a false alarm.
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Kzang, I grew up in NY on Long Island and drove up and down the east coast. Moved out to Vegas 15 years ago. There is way, way more RF being transmitted in the NY metro area that causes so many false alarms a radar detector is almost useless and I'm going off experience from the 80's and 90's. It must be even worse now.
It is probably worse now.. MY V1 lights up almost non stop starting at GWB all the way to Bayside, Queens.. on the cross bronx. So I basically turn it off when I drive through there and try to pay extra attention onthe road for cops..
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:06 PM
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I just do not get it - why someone need to use radar detectors in the city like NYC?
The real question should be why would anyone drive in the city?? With gas prices so high, hard to find street parking, idiots dinging cars when you park in the street, high garage prices, traffic all over, people who can't drive on the streets, I'd probably choose mass transit over driving...
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:36 PM
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It is probably worse now.. MY V1 lights up almost non stop starting at GWB all the way to Bayside, Queens.. on the cross bronx. So I basically turn it off when I drive through there and try to pay extra attention onthe road for cops..

Solme new traffic flow radar in metro areas kick-off false alarms. If your V-1 is older than about July 2011, they offer an upgrade to filter-out traffic flow radar. For mine (of 2010 vintage) the upgrade cost is $79.

If you go to the Valentine web site you can type in your serial number and see what specific upgrades, if any, they offer for it.
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I just do not get it - why someone need to use radar detectors in the city like NYC? I am not aware of police using radars on the streets. Also, in regards to Red lights alerts in IX:
I understand of anyone speeding - basically the speed limits are often set too low, but going on a Red light? It is really too dangerous and should be a"NO-NO", so I do not see how anyone should buy 9500IX over V1 because of availability of "red light"/camera option.
In the city, the police don't really care, but once you drive up out towards Nassau and Westchester, those cruisers hiding in every nook and cranny (especially with the idiotic 55 mph limit). Anyways I have a the 9500ix and it works pretty well for me. I don't really speed in the city (since I don't want any points), but once I'm out of state, it's like no speed limit for me!

I also read they're planning on install fixed speed cameras on the LIE, so the radar detector with the built-in database will be even more useful.

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I don't know about NYC laws, but overall, the biggest number of "red light camera" tickets are for turns on red after stopping. There are many cases of the cameras issuing tickets even after the vehicle has come to a complete stop before proceeding.
It is illegal to turn on a red in NYC.
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