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Old 04-04-2012, 06:04 PM
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Would you buy a lemon (3 bad fuel injectors) and at what price?

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I'm considering buying my first BMW and found a 2009 335i sedan with 25k miles with sport, premium, navigation, and L7 sound system. It is in great condition, just need detail work. I saw it posted for 29k which i thought was a great deal. I asked for the carfax and it was bought back by BMW as a lemon. The car had 3 bad fuel injectors which have been fixed. The car is still under warranty. I'm not car savvy so I'm wondering if you would buy a lemon that had 3 bad fuel injectors and at what price would you buy it for? Thanks.
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:16 PM
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I think that's a terrible price...not just because of the lemon law. It's 2012, the car is 3-4 years old. The lemon law doesn't help either - that will stick with the car forever.

I would pay 20-22k. I assume from the dealership?
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:19 PM
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Hi All,

I'm considering buying my first BMW and found a 2009 335i sedan with 25k miles with sport, premium, navigation, and L7 sound system. It is in great condition, just need detail work. I saw it posted for 29k which i thought was a great deal. I asked for the carfax and it was bought back by BMW as a lemon. The car had 3 bad fuel injectors which have been fixed. The car is still under warranty. I'm not car savvy so I'm wondering if you would buy a lemon that had 3 bad fuel injectors and at what price would you buy it for? Thanks.
If the car was "lemoned" by BMW there's something more going on than just three bad injectors. I've had three injectors replaced under warranty on my 335. Injector replacement has been a fairly common job on some of the early model 335s. My car ran fine before the work was done and it runs fine now. I think you need to dig a little deeper.
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:25 PM
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The OP is from CA. In CA it's three strikes and lemon law kicks in. It could very well just be the injectors - though it could be they never identified the root cause.
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:46 PM
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I agree that 3 injectors failing must be a California thing.
To me that is like having 3 flat tires and getting the car lemoned.
I would verify that was all that was done and the facts regarding the lemoning but to me 3 injectors being replaced under warranty hardly would be a cause for lemoning a car in the rest of the country.
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Old 04-04-2012, 08:57 PM
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Thanks for the replies. It is being sold by a private dealership. It was bought at an auction. The private dealership has a piece of paper from BMW that states it's a lemon due to 3 bad fuel injectors. I didn't get a chance to see the piece of paper but I'm assuming it's legit. I'll have to follow-up with BMW if I even do buy the car. So far it seems to stay away and pay a little more for something that's a clean title.
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How much is an '09 with those features that isn't a lemon-law buyback?
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:15 PM
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How much is an '09 with those features that isn't a lemon-law buyback?
It came out to about 28.5k to 31.5k depending on condition. I would rate it as 30k (KBB).
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Yeah, they're at least $5k too high. Frankly, for peace of mind I wouldn't even bother unless we're talking about $22k out the door.

Keep in mind a Lemon Buyback essentially means that car is a known bad used car.
Technically, at least.
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:26 PM
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I am pretty sure when the warranty runs out it will be worthless.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:38 AM
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don't buy this car base on emotion. look around and get one that isn't a lemon. Patience...
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:58 AM
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My 2 cents...
I bought my '08 335i through a used car dealer in Alabama knowing it was a "lemon'ed" car from Cali.
Two HPFP...2 injectors...I bought it with 41k and now have 76k and my only out of pocket expense has been $600 for the mechatronic sleeve on the auto tranny.

I got it at a great price (at the time I paid $26k) for a car that was book valued at $31k+ with the full knowledge it was a lemon from Cali.
It didn't scare me away and the car has been rock solid!

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Old 04-05-2012, 07:22 AM
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I don't know what a lemon law buyback does to the title provenance in CA. Will it always show as a buyback? One day you'll want to sell this car and any diminished price you pay now could be reflected in the price you'll be getting down the line. So the long term financial gain could be zero, and you'll be trying to sell a car which once was a 'lemon' and that'll scare some buyers away.
I agree with the others who posted that unless you are getting an incredible deal you should walk. The price they are asking is no where near an incredible deal.
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:36 AM
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I wouldn't even touch it, regardless of the price break. The OP is in Cali - not like a 3 series is exactly rare out there.
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:54 AM
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I can't imagine it was lemoned just because of 3 injectors. Whatever was wrong with the car couldn't be fixed in multiple attempts with the car in the shop over a certain period of time. (I forget specific California law.) It's quite possible the injectors were replaced in the course of trying to sort out the HPFP issue. In my case it was several HPFP replacements. On HPFP #3 a number of injectors were replaced short thereafter. Wastegates also can come into play. What are the chances that the car was completely fixed and then auctioned? You could be inheriting a problem someone else walked away from.
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:49 PM
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Thanks everyone. Base on the responses, i've decided to keep looking for my first BMW.
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Old 04-06-2012, 04:39 AM
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Way too expensive - just went with a buddy and picked up a 2011 335i sedan, sport, premium, NAV, Cold Weather Package, 15k miles for $35 grand. The car you are looking at is a 25k car max!
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Old 04-06-2012, 06:33 AM
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There is a local dealership here in Alabama that has 2007 335i's (NON-LEMONED!) for $20K with 60K miles on them. They have a grey one with black interior I've considered looking at. I'd rather wait for my black beauty, though... not big on the grey.
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Thanks everyone. Base on the responses, i've decided to keep looking for my first BMW.
There's a better one out there with your name on it. Have patience. Let us know what you get.
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Old 04-07-2012, 04:49 AM
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335 sedans are not real rare, there is a perfect one out there with your name on it - if you have the time to wait, you can definitely get a better lower mileage care for less money.
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Old 04-09-2012, 01:47 PM
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A couple of things to keep in mind as some have already pointed out. Regardless of what the real problem was, once a car has been labeled "lemon," that will follow the car around no matter where it goes so it's no longer a clean title. So if you buy it and then want to sell it or trade it in, the new buyer will be able to see that it's a lemon and will more than likely ask for a reduction in price just as others have suggested you do to the seller in this case.

Secondly, for a car to be bought back as a lemon is usually a big deal because the dealer and customer usually do not want to go through with all of that hassle. In Cali, I believe it has to be 3 documented, reasonable attmepts to fix the problem and then once that condition is met, then it's another hassle to deal with the actualy buy back process of figuring the worth of the car and the time line from when you actually file the car as a lemon to when you actually get a check.

Getting a lemon is def a gamble. You might actually get one that truly had 3 injector issues or you might get one where that was the "known" issue and it was fixed but the true problem still isn't fixed.

As others have mentioned, having injectors issues seem to be quite common on the N54 engine. I can't say that I've seen any mention on frequent injector issues on the N55 engine so those may be ok. You can do a search for my name and you'll see some posts of mine speaking about the injector, ignition coil, and dme(BMW speak for ECU) being replaced. Not fun and def expensive if done out of warranty. BTW, my extended warranty has already paid for itself and then some because of the injector and dme issue.

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I have the same dilemma...

I have the opportunity to get an atlantic blue convertible, that also has a lemon title. This one is a 2008 with 38K on the speedo, sport, NAV, and auto gearbox. The asking price is somewhere around $28k.

Is it worth further inspection? I'm worried about being able to sell it in the future, but I also see the value. I'm also kinda concerned about the demand for that color, since I know I don't keep cars for long...

any thoughts or suggestions?
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I have the opportunity to get an atlantic blue convertible, that also has a lemon title. This one is a 2008 with 38K on the speedo, sport, NAV, and auto gearbox. The asking price is somewhere around $28k.

Is it worth further inspection? I'm worried about being able to sell it in the future, but I also see the value. I'm also kinda concerned about the demand for that color, since I know I don't keep cars for long...

any thoughts or suggestions?

I'm starting to get antsy, anybody have any thoughts on this one?
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:20 PM
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You've gotten a variety of answers based on the first car you considered. I think those same answers are applicable here as well.

I don't have an issue with a Lemon car and bought one...ohers wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. In the end you have to go with your gut and decide what's best for YOU.

Good luck with your decision.

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I'm starting to get antsy, anybody have any thoughts on this one?
I wouldn't do it, for all of the reasons mentioned on the previous car. Search the forum for 07, 08 335s particularly. HPFP. The pump has a warranty but the pump is not all that's involved. It's been lemoned. Someone else walked away from this car. I just wouldn't want to own this particular car out of warranty.

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